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[nightcobra]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

like i said earlier, instead of being meant to trick shepard it could be to trick the player directly.
for 3 games we trusted in these voices, what better voices for fooling you than your main character's?

[Steelcan]

Zavox wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Exactly, I'd also like to add that in the refuse ending he shouts "So be it!" without their voices. What gives?

He drops the charade and reveals his true voice?  That's the standard IT response I would guess,

id say its because he's angry that Shepard didnt pick Synthesis.

[BleedingUranium]

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Because its supposed to sound familiar and trustworthy.  Using both Shepards kills two birds, don't need two different Catalyst voices.

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That's not a literal argument because the only reason to appear friendly and trustworthy is if you have something to hide. Appearing as the kid fall into this too.

[dorktainian]

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Exactly, I'd also like to add that in the refuse ending he shouts "So be it!" without their voices. What gives?

He drops the charade and reveals his true voice?  That's the standard IT response I would guess,

id say its because he's angry that Shepard didnt pick Synthesis.

err... nope  why didn;t he do it for destroy / control?

[Zavox]

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Exactly, I'd also like to add that in the refuse ending he shouts "So be it!" without their voices. What gives?

He drops the charade and reveals his true voice?  That's the standard IT response I would guess,

id say its because he's angry that Shepard didnt pick Synthesis.

Isn't that the same?

[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Because its supposed to sound familiar and trustworthy.  Using both Shepards kills two birds, don't need two different Catalyst voices.

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That's not a literal argument because the only reason to appear friendly and trustworthy is if you have something to hide. Appearing as the kid fall into this too.

Just because I'm a literalist doesn't mean I trust the Catalyst, I still think he's trying to get me to pick Synthesis.

[Steelcan]

dorktainian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Exactly, I'd also like to add that in the refuse ending he shouts "So be it!" without their voices. What gives?

He drops the charade and reveals his true voice?  That's the standard IT response I would guess,

id say its because he's angry that Shepard didnt pick Synthesis.

err... nope  why didn;t he do it for destroy / control?

Because he can't stop Shepard from picking those choices.  Shepard refuses to make a choice, so he can step in.

[dorktainian]

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Because its supposed to sound familiar and trustworthy.  Using both Shepards kills two birds, don't need two different Catalyst voices.

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That's not a literal argument because the only reason to appear friendly and trustworthy is if you have something to hide. Appearing as the kid fall into this too.

Just because I'm a literalist doesn't mean I trust the Catalyst, I still think he's trying to get me to pick Synthesis.

not with low ems he isn't.

[BleedingUranium]

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Has any literalist ever tried to explain why the catalyst's voice consists of both female and male Shepard their voices? I find this one of the more telltale signs that the ending is not what it seems.

. Because its supposed to sound other worldly.  Different, separate from organic life.

That's not an excuse for using Shepard's voice, both of them no less.

Because its supposed to sound familiar and trustworthy.  Using both Shepards kills two birds, don't need two different Catalyst voices.

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That's not a literal argument because the only reason to appear friendly and trustworthy is if you have something to hide. Appearing as the kid fall into this too.

Just because I'm a literalist doesn't mean I trust the Catalyst, I still think he's trying to get me to pick Synthesis.

Of course he is! Even literally he is! But you not trusting him doesn't mean your Shepard can not trust him.

[Steelcan]

dorktainian wrote...
not with low ems he isn't.

Because the Crucible is too damaged in that case.  It can't generate the energy Synthesis needs.

Modifié par Steelcan, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:20 .

[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Just because I'm a literalist doesn't mean I trust the Catalyst, I still think he's trying to get me to pick Synthesis.

Of course he is! Even literally he is! But you not trusting him doesn't mean your Shepard can not trust him.

Shepard isn't given an option to say that he doesn't trust the Catalyst.  Refuse Shepard doesn't even bring it up.

[Pascal219]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

anyone got an actual answer as to why the crudible ejected the large dome before docking? what was the point of that dome in the first place?  Also who was flying it?

I thought that was pretty hilarious. Super advanced and old, refined over time, giant device thing need to eject parts of itself like a '50s rocket WTF  Not just the sphere, but the "nose" antenna thing too. It didn't even do anything first! We could have saved a crapload of time and resources by never actually building that part.

I could headcanon that, perhaps as a shield to protect the inner sphere?

And you just know Leviathan knows more about the crucible than he lets on, just look at how he looks away when you mention it.  

[Zavox]

Steelcan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
not with low ems he isn't.

Because the Crucible is too damaged in that case.  It can't generate the energy Synthesis needs.

Then the catalyst sees destroy and control as preferable to himself continuing his own work? He's actually risking to fail his primary programming? I don't understand.

Modifié par Zavox, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:24 .

[Steelcan]

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
not with low ems he isn't.

Because the Crucible is too damaged in that case.  It can't generate the energy Synthesis needs.

Then the catalyst sees destroy and control as preferable to himself continuing his own work? He's actually risking to fail his primary programming? I don't understand.

He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

[umadcommander]

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
not with low ems he isn't.

Because the Crucible is too damaged in that case.  It can't generate the energy Synthesis needs.

Then the catalyst sees destroy and control as preferable to himself continuing his own work? He's actually risking to fail his primary programming? I don't understand.

it is not a thing you can comprehend:alien:

[Zavox]

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
not with low ems he isn't.

Because the Crucible is too damaged in that case.  It can't generate the energy Synthesis needs.

Then the catalyst sees destroy and control as preferable to himself continuing his own work? He's actually risking to fail his primary programming? I don't understand.

He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

Well, he could for example have left him on the lift... instead of lifting him up.

[Steelcan]

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

Well, he could for example have left him on the lift... instead of lifting him up.

Never said he was smart about it.  He thinks he can convince Shepard to bring about Synthesis.

[Zavox]

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

Well, he could for example have left him on the lift... instead of lifting him up.

Never said he was smart about it.  He thinks he can convince Shepard to bring about Synthesis.

Ah, because he didn't realize it was damaged (so Synthesis is impossible) until after he lifted Shepard. That's one dumb AI, we sure it's not just a glitched VI? 

[Steelcan]

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

Well, he could for example have left him on the lift... instead of lifting him up.

Never said he was smart about it.  He thinks he can convince Shepard to bring about Synthesis.

Ah, because he didn't realize it was damaged (so Synthesis is impossible) until after he lifted Shepard. That's one dumb AI, we sure it's not just a glitched VI? 

. In All honesty, I'm not sure he isn't.

Modifié par Steelcan, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:37 .

[umadcommander]

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
He can't stop Shepard from making a decision.

Well, he could for example have left him on the lift... instead of lifting him up.

Never said he was smart about it.  He thinks he can convince Shepard to bring about Synthesis.

Ah, because he didn't realize it was damaged (so Synthesis is impossible) until after he lifted Shepard. That's one dumb AI, we sure it's not just a glitched VI? 

. In All honesty, I'm not sure he isn't.

he's just a pop-up, hello i see your trying to end the cycles would you like help:P

[Restrider]

I think the "SO BE IT!" is the breath-scene for Refuse without totally confirming that the endings are not what it seems. It just shows us that the kid is hiding under a mask (who would've thought??) and wants us to choose anything, but preferably Synthesis.
That's also the reason why I disagree with the common disapproval of the Refuse ending.

[CoolioThane]

Where did you get your iPad from Steel? My dad recently got his stolen, so am wondering the best place to get one!

[Restrider]

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Just because I'm a literalist doesn't mean I trust the Catalyst, I still think he's trying to get me to pick Synthesis.

Of course he is! Even literally he is! But you not trusting him doesn't mean your Shepard can not trust him.

Shepard isn't given an option to say that he doesn't trust the Catalyst.  Refuse Shepard doesn't even bring it up.

I beg to differ.
In the speech it is not that obvious, but when Shepard talks about "winning on our own terms" it implies that a victory on the Guardian's terms is not wanted.
And I would think that shooting the Guardian is a statement of distrust.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

anyone got an actual answer as to why the crudible ejected the large dome before docking? what was the point of that dome in the first place?  Also who was flying it?

I thought that was pretty hilarious. Super advanced and old, refined over time, giant device thing need to eject parts of itself like a '50s rocket WTF  Not just the sphere, but the "nose" antenna thing too. It didn't even do anything first! We could have saved a crapload of time and resources by never actually building that part.

Actually I think I can explain that. The outer plates were armor designed to protect the vulnerable interior. Say if something hit the Crucible and penetrated the Kinetic barriers, the armor plateas might absorb the blast without the Crucible itself beeing damaged from say the amror plates bending into it or similar.

It is pretty common in sci-Fi and has alot in common with ablative armor plating which also rely on layers and layers of armor breaking in order to absorb the hit more efficiently. Basicly the Crucible is removing the armor as it would get in the way of its purpose.

Dosent explian why it is set so far from the device itself though.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:51 .