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For those having trouble with Origin, try this tactic to get your friends list back:

http://social.biowar...610028#13610028

And to be on-topic, a bunch of folks were mentioning The Matrix awhile ago (maybe it was the Mark II thread, can't remember) and I highly recommend if you haven't watched it recently to go back and do so because there will be lots of moments that make you go "OMG!". Next on my agenda is reading Brave New World, something I have put off for far too long. Best way to think like the writers is to delve into what inspired them, no?

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Anybody else think that we should try and get that polish philosopher who explained "Children Of Men" to play the game and explain the ending?

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True, but I think that a reading of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", "Dune", "Foundation" and "2001 A Space Odyssey" will also be quite illuminating,

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leonia42 wrote...

For those having trouble with Origin, try this tactic to get your friends list back:

http://social.biowar...610028#13610028

And to be on-topic, a bunch of folks were mentioning The Matrix awhile ago (maybe it was the Mark II thread, can't remember) and I highly recommend if you haven't watched it recently to go back and do so because there will be lots of moments that make you go "OMG!". Next on my agenda is reading Brave New World, something I have put off for far too long. Best way to think like the writers is to delve into what inspired them, no?


IT WORKED! God bless you, leonia! :o

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Did anyone notice that there are certain points in ME3 where the score from Arrival DLC plays. One example is when on Tuchanka after the turian pilot gets shot down by the reaper you go into the caves and the music plays. I don't know if anyone else caught that.

I wonder if there is any anomalies we might have missed when Shepard fights both the Tuchanka reaper and the Rannoch reaper that might be further hints at IT... I'm hoping someone has the answer because I might have to play ME3... again.

Or I can just be lazy and wait for Leviathan...
Edit: Also if you haven't noticed I got my hair did... thanks to you guys for the help.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

lol.  Well, FFZero, Maximized and I have got the 9th wave curse, if you wanna try it :P 
Anyway, I think I'll be online around 11 PM GMT+1. If they haven't fixed Origin, we could use that site to organize a game.


The curse shall be broken!

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Also
is it me, or in the beggining of part two of the comic, TIm is hearing
Reaper vocies inside his head, and the last plaent he sees, is like the
same planet Shepard sees in the Prothean visions?


The
first one seems likely, though the voices seem more like one of
Harbinger's speeches to Shepard than indoctrination. If they aren't
connected, anyway. 

The second one can also be true. But is there an importance to it?

It's in his sleep and messages repeated over and over can affect the brain.
It's not just likely it is coming from a Reaper.

Your time is almost at an end.
It is the way of things. It is inevitable.
You can't fight it. You can't avoid it.
You have but two choices. You can hide --
-- or you can accept your fate.
We are your destiny.


I
like how Sarens brother thought that hecan Control them BS, the Reapers
were, and this also helps with the thing I was saying about Cerberus in
ME3. Even though they had their mind in it, you can't control the
people that are being Control by a nother force ( The Reapers) So this
makes TIm wanting to Control the Reapers prove that he is mad of BS.


He also calls the artifact an Evolution Accelarator. Remind you of something? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


I like it how Bioware did the same thing TIm was fighting to stop, and know I know for sure Shepard was still on Earth, because just like BEn did he disabled the beacon, and now we know, what caused this to have the TIM, and Saren we know to this date.

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If anyone wants to read the Comics you can find them  on youtube for the comics.

And believe it or no, the Comics get rid of Biowares bad wrting of ME3, and the Comics help explain what the help is happening in ME3, and the end.

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masster blaster wrote...

I like it how Bioware did the same thing TIm was fighting to stop, and know I know for sure Shepard was still on Earth, because just like BEn did he disabled the beacon, and now we know, what caused this to have the TIM, and Saren we know to this date.

Could you fix the grammar? I've got no idea what you are saying.

masster blaster wrote...

If anyone wants to read the Comics I can provide the link on youtube for the comics, and you don't have to buy them.

That would be quite illegal.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I like it how Bioware did the same thing TIM was fighting to stop, and I mean TIm was telling Sarens brother that he can't Control them because THEY are Controlling the husk Turians.  I know for sure Shepard was still on Earth, because just like BEN did he disabled the beacon, as we think in Destroy Shepard does the same thing, only Shepard blows up the Conduit/Reaper trap. Also we now know, what caused this to have the TIM, and Saren we know to this date, to be like the TIM, and Saren Shepard meets in ME.

Could you fix the grammar? I've got no idea what you are saying.

masster blaster wrote...

If anyone wants to read the Comics I can provide the link on youtube for the comics, and you don't have to buy them.

That would be quite illegal.


sorry well it is on youtube, and it's been up for quite some time, but i will just say that go to youtube and just look at the Comics they have of ME, and compare them to the endings/ the plot of ME3. Also they are not head canon, or what ever you call them, they are actually Histroy books about ME, and remeber the writers of ME were working on the Comics, so they know what they were doing.

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Hey Guys I want to let you know I invited a lit prof who has been posting in another BSN mass effect forum to come join our discussion and share some of his analysis.... I can dig up interesting stuff but for the life of me I have trouble putting it all together, we need moar analysis about the literary clues.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Hey Guys I want to let you know I invited a lit prof who has been posting in another BSN mass effect forum to come join our discussion and share some of his analysis.... I can dig up interesting stuff but for the life of me I have trouble putting it all together, we need moar analysis about the literary clues.


Been working on that, and that's why I am going to incorpret the Comics, into the ME3 plot, and compare the simlularitys about the Comics plot, and how it's similar to ME3 plot.

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masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Hey Guys I want to let you know I invited a lit prof who has been posting in another BSN mass effect forum to come join our discussion and share some of his analysis.... I can dig up interesting stuff but for the life of me I have trouble putting it all together, we need moar analysis about the literary clues.


Been working on that, and that's why I am going to incorpret the Comics, into the ME3 plot, and compare the simlularitys about the Comics plot, and how it's similar to ME3 plot.


Just asking you guys how relevant are the comics and books to the IT theory? I ask because I haven't read them.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Hey Guys I want to let you know I invited a lit prof who has been posting in another BSN mass effect forum to come join our discussion and share some of his analysis.... I can dig up interesting stuff but for the life of me I have trouble putting it all together, we need moar analysis about the literary clues.


Been working on that, and that's why I am going to incorpret the Comics, into the ME3 plot, and compare the simlularitys about the Comics plot, and how it's similar to ME3 plot.


Just asking you guys how relevant are the comics and books to the IT theory? I ask because I haven't read them.


Well mainly it's Evolution, and I think Revelation, that help IT, the rest, well provied some IT, but are more like filling in the story gaps, that they could not do in the game.

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masster blaster wrote...

Guys you have to read what the time line for ME is

here is the site, and it's to much to handle;e. there are more races out there in the ME universe, than we think. Also here is this from the site.


http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

37,000,000 BCE

An unknown spacefaring race fires a mass accelerator round at a Reaper near the planet Mnemosyne. The round penetrates the Reaper, disabling it, and continues moving through space, eventually striking the planet Klendagon and creating the geological feature there known as the Great Rift Valley.

now what could have done that. Sounds like our Crucible can do that over time, with dlc wise.


I swear if the crucible turns out to be a weapon of mass destruction then I'll file this game under the heading of "Arcade"
Of course, that's just my opinion.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Hey Guys I want to let you know I invited a lit prof who has been posting in another BSN mass effect forum to come join our discussion and share some of his analysis.... I can dig up interesting stuff but for the life of me I have trouble putting it all together, we need moar analysis about the literary clues.


Been working on that, and that's why I am going to incorpret the Comics, into the ME3 plot, and compare the simlularitys about the Comics plot, and how it's similar to ME3 plot.


Just asking you guys how relevant are the comics and books to the IT theory? I ask because I haven't read them.

Evolution and Inquisition are a must, imo

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DJBare wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys you have to read what the time line for ME is

here is the site, and it's to much to handle;e. there are more races out there in the ME universe, than we think. Also here is this from the site.


http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

37,000,000 BCE

An unknown spacefaring race fires a mass accelerator round at a Reaper near the planet Mnemosyne. The round penetrates the Reaper, disabling it, and continues moving through space, eventually striking the planet Klendagon and creating the geological feature there known as the Great Rift Valley.

now what could have done that. Sounds like our Crucible can do that over time, with dlc wise.


I swear if the crucible turns out to be a weapon of mass destruction then I'll file this game under the heading of "Arcade"
Of course, that's just my opinion.


well from what I understand about the Leviathan dlc assets, to me it looks like the Crucilbe is a Mass Accelorator canon, since for one we don't know what the Ceeucible can do, and the assets that we get for the Crucible, to me could be a giant dreadnought, and remember some of the data on the Crucible, TIm has, and we only have the blueprints to build it, not the full deal, as TIm has.

https://encrypted-tb...zrEvTMhAsiiynNA

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leonia42 wrote...

For those having trouble with Origin, try this tactic to get your friends list back:

http://social.biowar...610028#13610028

And to be on-topic, a bunch of folks were mentioning The Matrix awhile ago (maybe it was the Mark II thread, can't remember) and I highly recommend if you haven't watched it recently to go back and do so because there will be lots of moments that make you go "OMG!". Next on my agenda is reading Brave New World, something I have put off for far too long. Best way to think like the writers is to delve into what inspired them, no?

Brave new world's good, odd though :lol: I had to read it for an english class in high school - almost ruined it for me :P

And you know what, maybe I can make do with the broken friends list - I figured since I couldn't set up a match with people here I'd just try public/random/random/platinum, and I got this first time out:

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masster blaster wrote...

well from what I understand about the Leviathan dlc assets, to me it looks like the Crucilbe is a Mass Accelorator canon, since for one we don't know what the Ceeucible can do, and the assets that we get for the Crucible, to me could be a giant dreadnought, and remember some of the data on the Crucible, TIm has, and we only have the blueprints to build it, not the full deal, as TIm has.

Well, apart from the arcade game feel this would give, how do you propose to aim this thing and take down 1000s if not 100s of 1000s of reapers spread across the galaxy, in the example you cited it supposedly shot down ONE reaper, therefore it obviously does not affect all reapers simultaniously, so in effect you'd have to run around the galaxy with this one of a kind mass accelerator weapon popping off one or two reapers at a time,

And that's why a mass acccelerator weapon to kill the reapers does not work for me.

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I like how.

Saren



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TIM,


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And Shepard look like

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I like how each of the are used by the Reaeprs, andno w that Shepard is the Major person in this galaxy, it's time for teh Reapers to Indoctrinate Shepard, as they have done to Saren, and TIM.


And now we have this in Control, and why hasn't Bioware commented on this, and why is it only for Synthesis, and Control.Posted Image

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DJBare wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

well from what I understand about the Leviathan dlc assets, to me it looks like the Crucilbe is a Mass Accelorator canon, since for one we don't know what the Ceeucible can do, and the assets that we get for the Crucible, to me could be a giant dreadnought, and remember some of the data on the Crucible, TIm has, and we only have the blueprints to build it, not the full deal, as TIm has.

Well, apart from the arcade game feel this would give, how do you propose to aim this thing and take down 1000s if not 100s of 1000s of reapers spread across the galaxy, in the example you cited it supposedly shot down ONE reaper, therefore it obviously does not affect all reapers simultaniously, so in effect you'd have to run around the galaxy with this one of a kind mass accelerator weapon popping off one or two reapers at a time,

And that's why a mass acccelerator weapon to kill the reapers does not work for me.


What if...

What if, as harbiner is the first reaper, shooting harbinger broke the controlling link that allows the AI to control the reapers? That'd be a way for the mass-accelerator weapon to work.

Or, the crucible is just a giant bomb, designed to overwhelm the citadel - the citadel certainly seems important and may also have a role in controlling reaper forces.

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TSA_383 wrote...
What if...

What if, as harbiner is the first reaper, shooting harbinger broke the controlling link that allows the AI to control the reapers? That'd be a way for the mass-accelerator weapon to work.

Or, the crucible is just a giant bomb, designed to overwhelm the citadel - the citadel certainly seems important and may also have a role in controlling reaper forces.

I've suggested in the past that Harbinger is the real threat and all other reapers are just indoctrinated agents under his control, stopping him would stop the rest, but I still have a problem with a weapon that can kill him, I'd want there to be more to it than "point and click, harby is dead"; Harbinger is the reason this game never ended for me, the main protagonist(in my opinion) takes off never to be seen again to be replaced by the glowy brat, this is the first game I've played that had no conclusion to it from my perspective, I've done all the choices and always say the same thing to myself "That's it?"

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Okay guys, I am going to go play some London be back after 2 matches. Need a break from all the speculations I have been doing, for the past 3 days straight.

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Honestly, you'd think the Citadel being the central hub of the relay network would play into the plans of the Alliance and Council races more directly. I'd've wanted to reprogram the network to do nasty to things to any vessel utilizing a Reaper IFF, for instance.

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

Honestly, you'd think the Citadel being the central hub of the relay network would play into the plans of the Alliance and Council races more directly. I'd've wanted to reprogram the network to do nasty to things to any vessel utilizing a Reaper IFF, for instance.

That's another thing, all those assets to aid the citadel, what happened with that, I'm pretty sure the final battle was to take place on the citadel and those assets would have aided the fight, but it just never happened, whether through time constraints or whatever, it's a shame, but I don't think Bioware got to finish the game in time and the reason why there's a lot of unused stuff in the game files.

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I kind of want to play ME3 for more IT analysis... but I'm afraid I'll hear this again. And there will be tears.

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