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[Big G13]

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

[SixG90]

TSA_383 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay Origion changed a lot, when I updated it.

Is Origion any better than Origin?

Tried that link that leonia42 posted some pages ago? I solved my problem and played until now with FFzero and Max! 

I think it might be - still can't see you online though, just masster, epyon and either ardrey...

Well, maybe because I'm not online now. LOL I was going to bed. 'Night guys 

[estebanus]

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Not everyone. The ITers lost a lotta people after the EC and the following weeks.

Modifié par estebanus, 10 août 2012 - 11:48 .

[masster blaster]

night mrs.N7.

[estebanus]

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay Origion changed a lot, when I updated it.

Is Origion any better than Origin?

Tried that link that leonia42 posted some pages ago? I solved my problem and played until now with FFzero and Max! 

I think it might be - still can't see you online though, just masster, epyon and either ardrey...

Well, maybe because I'm not online now. LOL I was going to bed. 'Night guys 

Goodnight! Sleep tight!

[masster blaster]

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

[byne]

Random off-topic question:

Estebanus, did you finish Rin's route?

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

[masster blaster]

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[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

[quote]Hrothdane wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

*Selective snip* Comments in blue. I always like to remember when I'm immersed in a story that the characters are not only speaking to each other but throught the character to the audience.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..." At this part of the game I was open to control a bit. I mean if the reapers were fighting Cerberus on sancturary Cerberus must be on to something. Little disappointed that there was no way to let Miranda's Dad live. I know he was a monster, but given the stakes...(mmm steak) I would have been open to working with him, with him dead I didn't believe there was a chance in hell Cerberus could control anything.

then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think." One thing the writers of Mass Effect hit us on the head over and over again is that the reaper motives are unknowable. This is a warning sign of indoctrination and why you should always be wary of the starchild. If the geth with all their fancy microchips cannot fathom what the reapers mind is like after interfacing with one how is a starchild going to explain in a minute the entire reaper mindset? More likely the mind rationalizes serving the reapers, one way or another.

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting. "This is very true, indoctrination changes the way you think and act in ways you may or may not be able to explain. If the decision chamber is an overlay of reality what exactly is Shepard shooting at? The conduit beam dies when Shepard chooses destroy, could it be possible that if Shepard will not willingly open his mind to indoctrination that the reapers will compel Shepard to sabotage the conduit beam thus making sure no one makes it to the citadel?

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine." [color=rgb(0, 0, 128)">"The writers are also refering to TIM ]It's a miracle TIM [/color]has lasted so long before going full bore indoctrinated.

But then TIM says later[b] " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make." TIM is currently 100% correct, ME3 ends in a cliffhanger with Shepard still in London in a bunch of rubble with Harbinger still around. Not a very good position to be in. Shepard does not have the tools to win the battle against the reapers...yet. *cough* DLC.


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You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.

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And Otter, now that I read Evolution, TIM wanting to Control the Reapers, was never what he wanted at all, but since the Proto Reaper was in his base, It got to him because TIM knew already, that he could not Control the Reapers, or the troops, because he saw first hand in Evolution, that It's the Reapers that Control the forces, not anyone elsem you can't Control them at all because the Reapers Control them. And you can Compair ME3 to Evolution because TIM is like Saren's brother, and Shepard is now Jack Harper, but is not influenced by the Reapers just yet.

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Okay how about this one eveyone/Megum.

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here you go
legaldinho

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Random off-topic question:

Estebanus, did you finish Rin's route?

Nope. I've been holding a break from KS for a while. Been working on the script for the visual novel, and I've neen trying to beat MGS2, but came to a staggering halt when I had to fight all those damn RAYs.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Yes I have, and if you read my past post, i have been getting better, at spelling, and grammar.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Yes I have, and if you read my past post, i have been getting better, at spelling, and grammar.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Random off-topic question:

Estebanus, did you finish Rin's route?

Nope. I've been holding a break from KS for a while. Been working on the script for the visual novel, and I've neen trying to beat MGS2, but came to a staggering halt when I had to fight all those damn RAYs.

I am disappoint.

Lemme know what you thought of it once you do. Rin's route is... interesting.

Also, I hope you dont get the neutral ending.

Thats like the saddest thing ever. Of all time.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Yes I have, and if you read my past post, i have been getting better, at spelling, and grammar.

And I have been finding a lot of information in the Comics that can prove
Bioware intended most of the things in ME3, and ME3 is not bad writing.

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 août 2012 - 11:58 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Random off-topic question:

Estebanus, did you finish Rin's route?

Nope. I've been holding a break from KS for a while. Been working on the script for the visual novel, and I've neen trying to beat MGS2, but came to a staggering halt when I had to fight all those damn RAYs.

I am disappoint.

Lemme know what you thought of it once you do. Rin's route is... interesting.

Also, I hope you dont get the neutral ending.

Thats like the saddest thing ever. Of all time.

...Okay... Now I'm on guard.

Be disappoint if you have to, but there are only so many feels I can take at once before becoming utterly depressed!

Modifié par estebanus, 10 août 2012 - 11:57 .

[Big G13]

estebanus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Not everyone. The ITers lost a lotta people after the EC and the following weeks.

Yea, I figured that would happen. The EC was, imho, ..... what? Bland. Neutral. Better than what we had but less than epic. But I don't want to lose touch with this community. To many sharp minds to just let it go.

[Arian Dynas]

The Twilight God wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Out of curiousity, what is this thread actually about now?

It can't just be about "dream theory" IT.

It never was.

This thread is for all speculation.

Besides. Calling the theory a "dream" is a gross oversimplification.

A better description of what we would term it would be; An allegorical and symbolic battle for Shepard's soul against the manipulations of the Reapers.

What we see could be happening, to some extent, but no matter what, unlike a dream, choices here have real world consequences.

I say "dream theory" because it supposedly takes place in a dream. Correct? 

You can't defeat indoctrination. It involves a physiological change as well a psychological. There is no basis in game lore that indoctrination can be outright beaten, much less beaten in your sleep. It would be like saying you could survive radiation poison if you fell asleep and made the right choices in respect to an allegorized depiction of the radioactive material. Some people may survive for longer than others, but if you absorb a lethal amount of radiation you will die. And with indoctrination, sooner or later you will be enthralled. Another problem I see with it is that the breathe scene only occurs with high EMS ending. 

I believe an indoctrination attempt is occuring and it is up to the player rather it fails or succeeds within the timeframe between the confrontation with TIM (or even the Harbinger blast) and the final choice. My take on it.  

No.

A dream and a hallucination are two very different things, both literarily speaking, as well as physically.

Dreaming is a state of sleep in which the mind is examining thoughts and events of the day. Dreaming beings do not commonly move during dreaming, which is only accessed in the lowest stages of sleep.

Dreaming implies a coma. Some here do eschew to the idea that Shepard never got up after Harbinger shot him, (see the comparison of the London Rubble to the Citadel, which is the major crux for this argument. I advise checking out Gunslinger_ruiz's examination if you can find it.)

Others, like myself prefer to cleave to the idea that Shepard is amublatory, but not completely in possession of his faculties.

The majority of this argument is based off the fact that the Crucible Chamber and the Beam Shuffle (the area directly in front of the beam) are remarkably similar to one another in appearance and layout. Instead of grasping a actual Crucible Control panel, arcing with electricity, Shepard could be grabbing a pair of downed wires. Instead of diving into a Synthesis-Beam, Shepard could be throwing himself at the Reaper Beam. Instead of firing at some Synthetic-Destroying Tube, Shepard could just as easily be shooting at some piece of Reaper equipment.

Indoctrination does INCORPORATE physical changes, but with the exception of brain chemistry, indoctrination does not itself change the body. It does make the subject more willing to undergo Reaper Implantation.

Examples; The Illusive Man did not always have the cybernetics he has at the end, which, for that matter, may not even be real, merely symbolic of his Reaper Control. His eyes are a result of indirect contact with the Arca Monolith, which was capable of reducing an individual down into a husk-like being, similar to the actions of Dragon's Teeth.

Basically, not all indoctrinated individuals have glowing blue eyes like those of The Illusive Man, but everyone who has those eyes is indoctrinated.

Saren, according to the developers, was originally supposed to be a bit more... normal looking, like other Turians early in the game, grey skin-plates, full body, ect. Due to time constraints, they simply used the Reaper implanted body from later throughout the entire game. Saren was indoctrinated the entire time.

We of course never did say indoctrination can be entirely "beaten" but it can be resisted. Shepard is only completely indoctrinated if he makes the wrong choice. Otherwise, he still continues to resist.

Think of this less as "Shepard beats something in a dream" and more "Representation of Shepard's Ego resists indoctrination"

Indoctrination, unlike radiation, is not a physical threat, it's a mental one. Yes there are aspects of indoctrination, such as infrasound, that DO have deletrious physical effects, but most will not kill you while you sleep, and most merely effect body and brain chemistry.

And for the record, Indoctrination can be "beaten" in a sense. Saren and The Illusive Man both can do so. Though, since they were both completely indoctrinated, it ended in their suicide. Also, the Feros Colonists, Shiala and The Rachni have resisted Indoctrination for years, due to the helpful influences of a hive mind.

[estebanus]

Big G13 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Not everyone. The ITers lost a lotta people after the EC and the following weeks.

Yea, I figured that would happen. The EC was, imho, ..... what? Bland. Neutral. Better than what we had but less than epic. But I don't want to lose touch with this community. To many sharp minds to just let it go.

I don't believe in the IT anymore but I'm still here. Being a literalist doesn't mean you'll be excluded from here!

[Arian Dynas]

HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
And some of the most brilliant IT theorists are male too. 

And yes, we do tend to be nice, provided we're approached with, if not an open mind, at least a bit of respect.

The moment we're named conspiracy theorists, or someone tells us to get our tinfoil hats, well they just declared where they stand.

We even had one guy at one point indicating we should all commit suicide with poisoned kool-aid if IT were proven wrong (When it was, in his words.)

Are you serious?!

I know people can be disrespectful sometimes- or most of it- But this is just... Disgusting. To say the least.

Yes. Yes it is.

And they wonder why even I tend to get short with some of these people... >.>

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Yes I have, and if you read my past post, i have been getting better, at spelling, and grammar.

And I have been finding a lot of information in the Comics that can prove
Bioware intended most of the things in ME3, and ME3 is not bad writing.

Yeah, I read that post. I am... not impressed.

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
And some of the most brilliant IT theorists are male too. 

And yes, we do tend to be nice, provided we're approached with, if not an open mind, at least a bit of respect.

The moment we're named conspiracy theorists, or someone tells us to get our tinfoil hats, well they just declared where they stand.

We even had one guy at one point indicating we should all commit suicide with poisoned kool-aid if IT were proven wrong (When it was, in his words.)

Are you serious?!

I know people can be disrespectful sometimes- or most of it- But this is just... Disgusting. To say the least.

Yes. Yes it is.

And they wonder why even I tend to get short with some of these people... >.>

Oh, I remember that guy! Kookie28, wasn't it? Many lulz were had that day!

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Not everyone. The ITers lost a lotta people after the EC and the following weeks.

We lost some people, like Avacayos, but gained others.

Plenty are just quiet right now from working on various projects.

[Big G13]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Byne says so. Byne's word is law.
 

[estebanus]

Big G13 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Byne says so. Byne's word is law.
 

You forget that I'm not one of you anymore. Therefore, Byne's word is no longer law to me!

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O's are good but X's are better. It's been a while. I had a hard drive melt down. Good to see every one is still here and keepin' it going.

Hey Big G13 long time no seen, and guess what. I have gotten better at my grammar, and spelling.

You have?

Yes I have, and if you read my past post, i have been getting better, at spelling, and grammar.

And I have been finding a lot of information in the Comics that can prove
Bioware intended most of the things in ME3, and ME3 is not bad writing.

Yeah, I read that post. I am... not impressed.

You haven't read the other post I have made, since you haven't been reading my past post, that make sense, and i am working on the other part's of ME3 scene, with both Paragon, and renegade, and Bioware were giving hints about the endigns, and what choice we should make.