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[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

The new dialog also explains on how the EMS affects the Destroy effects now. Before what caused the different scenes was questionable but now it seems that the less EMS you have the more damaged the Crucible becomes. The more damaged the more unstable the blast is and more is destroyed. Makes sense...

Thats pretty much what it said in the EC too.

I don't think so. I had the highest EMS and when he went on to describe Destroy I don't remember this.

<data>[GOOD OPTION] Your Crucible device appears to be largely in tact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers.</data>  </string>- <string>  <id>748516</id>  <position>83</position>  <data>Technology you rely on will be affected, though those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage.</data>  </string>- <string>  <id>748517</id>  <position>84</position>  <data>There will still be losses, but no more than have already been lost in this conflict.</data>  </string>

Thats almost word for word what he says. Only the last line is slightly different.

Modifié par byne, 11 août 2012 - 02:51 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

<data>I am prepared to hear your solution.</data> - Catalyst

(okay enough spoilers.....if interested just check TSA's thread or the pastebin link...)

Sounds suspiciously like my video

[ZerebusPrime]

Eli Parker wrote...

With the EC that came out, where is the start of the Indoctrination Theory in the context of the story?

Indoctrination Theory still starts with Shepard looking down at Vent Boy from his quarters at Alliance HQ, Vancouver, and encompasses the whole of the game with Shepard becoming more and more enthralled as we go.  

The EC endings appear to flesh out the literalist endings and render the game 'complete', but let me ask this: why, in Destroy with Shepard surviving, do your allies hesitate to put your name up on the memorial wall?  If they knew he was alive beforehand, they wouldn't have brought the name plate.  Yet they seem to know that Anderson is definitely dead because his name is up there.  If you think about it long enough, could not this be Shepard's mind imagining the future, sure that his place in the universe is done and over with, and then suddenly realizing that he's not dead yet?

Also with the Leviathan DLCs does that disprove the IT?

It's not out yet.  Ask again after the DLC is released and we've had a chance to play through it.  Note that the "catalyst" being real doesn't mean that there isn't indoctrination or hallucination happening. (edit: the catalyst has to have some link to Shepard's mind to begin with in order to take the form of that kid)

Also wasn't the "green" ending within the files called a dream and did Bioware every answer that?

You mean the dream foliage?  I don't recall that ever getting answered, no.  We did, however, get tacit approval about a month back that IT is a valid "interpretation" of Mass Effect 3's ending.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 11 août 2012 - 02:56 .

[byne]

Banshee, have you been watching the Nature Town stuff RT is doing? I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about it...

[BlazingZephyr]

TJ, you have to remember, Starchild says more negative things if you have less EMS. Things like "You don't need hope" are probably for the low-EMS peeps. It doesn't appear that there is anything in the new conversation that makes him seem any less trustworthy. I did, however, like how they added a Paragon and Renegade refuse:

<data>I'll die knowing that my friends and loved ones can choose their own fates.</data>
<data>And we will die free. We will die fighting to stop you and everything you stand for.</data>

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Banshee, have you been watching the Nature Town stuff RT is doing? I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about it...

Hmm no. Should I start?

[TheConstantOne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
And some of the most brilliant IT theorists are male too. 

And yes, we do tend to be nice, provided we're approached with, if not an open mind, at least a bit of respect.

The moment we're named conspiracy theorists, or someone tells us to get our tinfoil hats, well they just declared where they stand.

We even had one guy at one point indicating we should all commit suicide with poisoned kool-aid if IT were proven wrong (When it was, in his words.)

Are you serious?!

I know people can be disrespectful sometimes- or most of it- But this is just... Disgusting. To say the least.

Yes. Yes it is.

And they wonder why even I tend to get short with some of these people... >.>

WOW! I never saw that post.  It's amazing how people can be so hostile over a completely valid opinion.  I guess such behavior is what happens when people believe that the internet makes them personally invulnerable. 

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Banshee, have you been watching the Nature Town stuff RT is doing? I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about it...

Hmm no. Should I start?

Well, I find it fairly funny. People really seem split on it though.

Here are all four. Each word links to a different episode.

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

Thats almost word for word what he says. Only the last line is slightly different.

Hmmm....seems I am wrong. *shrugs* Oh well. I only played the EC once and saw the other endings on YT. Mistakes happen.

[masster blaster]

So it's between Destroy, and refuse now, since there is more to refuse, and more to Destroy. Synthesis, and Control, well are out of the question since ME3 happened.

[Dam0299]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
And some of the most brilliant IT theorists are male too. 

And yes, we do tend to be nice, provided we're approached with, if not an open mind, at least a bit of respect.

The moment we're named conspiracy theorists, or someone tells us to get our tinfoil hats, well they just declared where they stand.

We even had one guy at one point indicating we should all commit suicide with poisoned kool-aid if IT were proven wrong (When it was, in his words.)

Are you serious?!

I know people can be disrespectful sometimes- or most of it- But this is just... Disgusting. To say the least.

Yes. Yes it is.

And they wonder why even I tend to get short with some of these people... >.>

WOW! I never saw that post.  It's amazing how people can be so hostile over a completely valid opinion.  I guess such behavior is what happens when people believe that the internet makes them personally invulnerable. 

I have seen people be disrespectful or xenophobic to our theory and by extention, US. But THAT is just over the line hatered.

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

<data>I am prepared to hear your solution.</data> - Catalyst

(okay enough spoilers.....if interested just check TSA's thread or the pastebin link...)

Sounds suspiciously like my video

Actually surprisingly enough some of those lines are exactly like it is in the leaked script. Raises question....cut lines to sell to customers later?

[TheConstantOne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

Thats almost word for word what he says. Only the last line is slightly different.

Hmmm....seems I am wrong. *shrugs* Oh well. I only played the EC once and saw the other endings on YT. Mistakes happen.

I personally like how many people think the Control option is ideal.  Consider the following:

(original purpose stated by Star Kid): The Reapers harvest organic and synthetic life to ensure galactic peace.

(new purpose stated by Shepard AI): I will use the Reapers' powers to establish peace in the galaxy.

....So what has been solved in this scenario? haha 

[smokingotter1]

I never know how long an otter will last but masster blaster arian, simon rosen, esbanus, tj, byne, banshee Make IT work, why do I do a post like this every two weeks... you know sea otters are endangered. Giving credit will not kill my species.

Also want to give a shout out the handsome fellow Chris Priestly and the beautiful Jessica Merrizan. Come here and give a otter a kiss.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 11 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[TJBartlemus]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

<data>I'll die knowing that my friends and loved ones can choose their own fates.</data>
<data>And we will die free. We will die fighting to stop you and everything you stand for.</data>

I actually think that line is the same for everyone who choose refuse. Notice the "And". The 2 sentences seem to appear like they fit together instead of being 2 different responses. (not to be a smarta**....)

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

<data>I am prepared to hear your solution.</data> - Catalyst

(okay enough spoilers.....if interested just check TSA's thread or the pastebin link...)

Sounds suspiciously like my video

Actually surprisingly enough some of those lines are exactly like it is in the leaked script. Raises question....cut lines to sell to customers later?

Yeah, it's weird. Can't wait for Leviathan! Anyway I'll be back later. Need to beat the weekend challenge!

[TheConstantOne]

masster blaster wrote...

So it's between Destroy, and refuse now, since there is more to refuse, and more to Destroy. Synthesis, and Control, well are out of the question since ME3 happened.

I still view Refuse as a way of refusing to fight anymore.  Shepard thus fails to snap out of the hallucination and dies in a daze, so to speak.

It gets a nice speech but the commitment to personal desires of "winning the war with no loss or sacrifice" is the downfall to that ending, in my opinion

[Eli Parker]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

With the EC that came out, where is the start of the Indoctrination Theory in the context of the story?

Indoctrination Theory still starts with Shepard looking down at Vent Boy from his quarters at Alliance HQ, Vancouver, and encompasses the whole of the game with Shepard becoming more and more enthralled as we go.  

The EC endings appear to flesh out the literalist endings and render the game 'complete', but let me ask this: why, in Destroy with Shepard surviving, do your allies hesitate to put your name up on the memorial wall?  If they knew he was alive beforehand, they wouldn't have brought the name plate.  Yet they seem to know that Anderson is definitely dead because his name is up there.  If you think about it long enough, could not this be Shepard's mind imagining the future, sure that his place in the universe is done and over with, and then suddenly realizing that he's not dead yet?

 

After I beat the game with the EC, to made no sense in a literal view. Also the Shepard breathe sense seems more out of place, and the stargazer sence make no sense. I was wondering how did the crew know Anderson is died when the citidel wasn't finished to be cleared post war.  

ZerebusPrime wrote... 

Also with the Leviathan DLCs does that disprove the IT?

It's not out yet.  Ask again after the DLC is released and we've had a chance to play through it.  Note that the "catalyst" being real doesn't mean that there isn't indoctrination or hallucination happening. (edit: the catalyst has to have some link to Shepard's mind to begin with in order to take the form of that kid)

  

I still don't understand why Bioware want with a kid that doesn't seem real since the start. To me that kid was always a reaper projection in Shep's mind. I'm still hoping that Bioware will add to the refusal ending a chance of victory though war. 

ZerebusPrime wrote...  

Also wasn't the "green" ending within the files called a dream and did Bioware every answer that?

You mean the dream foliage?  I don't recall that ever getting answered, no.  We did, however, get tacit approval about a month back that IT is a valid "interpretation" of Mass Effect 3's ending.

I heard about the IT being a valid "interpretation", but with what is in game the whole ending is still a mess. Also to me the whole game is still in ruin due to the players past chooses meaning nothing and all the autodialogs. 

[TJBartlemus]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Giving credit will not kill my species.

Someone not give you credit? I hate it when it happens to me so I make it a big deal to give all the people credit for stuff if I know I wasn't the original one to post it or find it. If it was me just let me know and I can fix it...

[masster blaster]

Otter it's evertone that makes IT work, not just us. Everyone here, weather they are lukers, or posters are helping IT. It's not just me and the people you meantion, but all of us. We are a family, a commuinty, and we are united. So don't think like it's just us, hell it's everyone that makes IT a reality in ME3. That goes to any poster, and lucker that is thinking this way.

Modifié par masster blaster, 11 août 2012 - 03:14 .

[BlazingZephyr]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

<data>I'll die knowing that my friends and loved ones can choose their own fates.</data>
<data>And we will die free. We will die fighting to stop you and everything you stand for.</data>

I actually think that line is the same for everyone who choose refuse. Notice the "And". The 2 sentences seem to appear like they fit together instead of being 2 different responses. (not to be a smarta**....)

No, before, he just said he'd die free, and die knowing he'd do everything he could to stop star kid. Now, there's

<data>I'd rather die fighting this war my way, then by some arbitrary choices you've created.</data>
<data>I'll die knowing that my friends and loved ones can choose their own fates.</data>
<data>And we will die free. We will die fighting to stop you and everything you stand for.</data>
<data>And we will die knowing we did everything we could to stop you.</data>

EDIT: It looks like the first and third, and the second and forth go together. EDIT2: Colors being dumb.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 11 août 2012 - 03:22 .

[smokingotter1]

TJBartlemus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Giving credit will not kill my species.

Someone not give you credit? I hate it when it happens to me so I make it a big deal to give all the people credit for stuff if I know I wasn't the original one to post it or find it. If it was me just let me know and I can fix it...

Or you just go all Darth Maul on MP.

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...

Otter it's evertone that makes IT work, not just us. Everyone here, weather they are lukers, or posters are helping IT. It's not just me and the people you meantion, but all of us. We are a family, a commuinty, and we are united. So don't think like it's just us, hell it's everyone that makes IT a reality in ME3. That goes to any poster, and lucker that is thinking this way.

You can say that but you were with IT since the start so you make IT start and everyone else makes it stronger.

[TJBartlemus]

Could someone post in the WNT thread? I want to post but I make it a big deal on not triple posting. (Link is in signature)

[TheConstantOne]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

With the EC that came out, where is the start of the Indoctrination Theory in the context of the story?

Indoctrination Theory still starts with Shepard looking down at Vent Boy from his quarters at Alliance HQ, Vancouver, and encompasses the whole of the game with Shepard becoming more and more enthralled as we go.  

The EC endings appear to flesh out the literalist endings and render the game 'complete', but let me ask this: why, in Destroy with Shepard surviving, do your allies hesitate to put your name up on the memorial wall?  If they knew he was alive beforehand, they wouldn't have brought the name plate.  Yet they seem to know that Anderson is definitely dead because his name is up there.  If you think about it long enough, could not this be Shepard's mind imagining the future, sure that his place in the universe is done and over with, and then suddenly realizing that he's not dead yet?

Also with the Leviathan DLCs does that disprove the IT?

It's not out yet.  Ask again after the DLC is released and we've had a chance to play through it.  Note that the "catalyst" being real doesn't mean that there isn't indoctrination or hallucination happening. (edit: the catalyst has to have some link to Shepard's mind to begin with in order to take the form of that kid)

Also wasn't the "green" ending within the files called a dream and did Bioware every answer that?

You mean the dream foliage?  I don't recall that ever getting answered, no.  We did, however, get tacit approval about a month back that IT is a valid "interpretation" of Mass Effect 3's ending.

I noticed something very peculiar regarding this scene.  In the Destroy scenes where Ashley hangs up the name plate, I swear that she's smirking.  SMIRKING. How can she be so confident that Shepard survived?

Since this scene precedes the Shepard breathe scene, I've begun to take this as Shepard imagining his crew honoring his death, only to come to the self realization that he is not yet dead himself. Thus he "wakes up", or rather can view reality with a less indoctrinated lens