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TheConstantOne wrote...
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TheConstantOne wrote...
Yes, and I would actually say that the "wake up" scene depicts Shepard on the Citadel but the ceiling of the control room caved in (or perhaps he "sleep walked" to a new region). I'd imagine that there is an intense battle on the Citadel going on against Reapers forces. That or, again, Shepard actually does use the control panel and the Crucible's activation damages the room's superstructure (without detonating it in an extremely powerful explosion)
Really? The breath scene has rebar and concrete blocks with the same markings as everything in London and Bioware still chose the bombed Citadel to look like that? This would be just lame trolling.
Not necessarily. I remember that, way back in mark 1, someone did a presentation that showed that all of the rubble in the breath scene are present on the Citadel. I'd give a link if I knew where to find it.
So, it seems to me that there is enough room for doubt to argue both ways here: Shepard could be in London or on the Citadel
No, of course it's possible. But in my opinion, it's unlikely.
Yes, it is possible because Patrick Weekes argued on PAX that not everyone has to die on the Citadel after the explosion and yes, the EC shows us that it's not entirely destroyed.
You're also suggesting that the stuff in the breath scene is from the roof of the control room. This means that Shepard either got magically beamed down in the right second or he never went up there in the first place. But that again suggests that something was not real about the ending and if you're ready to accept that, then what's to say against the whole Citadel:The Return being a hallucination set in London?
That's the damned thing about the possibility of a hallucination, we can't know for sure what is really going on, but the stranger the scene the less likely it should be.
My argument is the latter of your two scenarios: the last room was in Shepard's mind and never real. The magic "elevator" that raises him/her up for example: when you're falling asleep do ever get a floating sensation just before you succumb (...well usually that feeling jerks me awake again)? I'm thinking that's what the elevator illustrates.
And from this point of view, you are correct: who's to say the whole Citadel scene isn't a hallucination? I can only make two points here: Firstly, I believe he is on the Citadel because things become increasingly strange after the "reboot" scene when Shepard wakes up "on the Citadel.
Secondly, Admiral Hackett makes the announcement that someone made it to the beam. This announcement was not directed toward Shepard and thus could be interpreted as something that took place on the actual battlefield.
There's definitely some foul play going on in Shepard's mind but I do think that the commander does make it to the Citadel before the lines of reality begin to blur. I guess we'll have to wait and see for this one, unless there's more definitive counter evidence that I've missed
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