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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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estebanus

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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How dare you bring up endings in this thread?

Also, pie Posted Image

Mmmmh... Yummy...

Apropos pie, I had one today. It was soooo... decadent...

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*snip*

Pretty much.

Knew that would fit .Posted Image Anyway, I'm gonna go play some MP, see you later Estebanus! Posted Image

bye!

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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estebanus wrote...

At least now I don't need to worry about having to play a game for 3 hours without achieving anything. I finally beat those damn RAYs! Yay!

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The end to MGS2 is awesome. Particularly when you see Solidus leaning on the George Washington statue in front of Federal Hall.

Hideo Kojima does know how to make great endings, doesn't he?

Damn the Patriots!

You're one to talk! You founded them together with your little group from Operation: Snake Eater! You should have just stayed dead in Zanzibarland!

But then that epic final scene in MGS4 would've never happened. :lol:

"This is good... Isn't it?"

That line totally tore me up.

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Hey,

I am sorry, this is entirely off topic, but I cannot find any information using google and this is the only ME related thread where the ratio of smart people vs. trolls is right for me to post. I just got a 4 GB patch on my game. Any of you know anything about that?

Also, http://fr.twitter.co...970618553475072
Just follow the link in that post, it's awesome Leviathan DLC stuff.

Regards, Arkennys

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Arkennys wrote...

Hey,

I am sorry, this is entirely off topic, but I cannot find any information using google and this is the only ME related thread where the ratio of smart people vs. trolls is right for me to post. I just got a 4 GB patch on my game. Any of you know anything about that?

Also, http://fr.twitter.co...970618553475072
Just follow the link in that post, it's awesome Leviathan DLC stuff.

Regards, Arkennys


That's an awesome comic... and 4GB patch? You sure your game files weren't corrupted?

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So any more speculations that we can come up with because I am trying to brain strom more ideas, but nothing comes to mind right now.

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Hey guys if you don't hear from me a lot this weekend it's because I'm relaxing and uh.... doing important IT research on youtube. Still looking for clues. Quite frankly I'm exhausted.

:wizard:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 11 août 2012 - 06:29 .


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As sure as I can be. When I first saw it I canceled the update and did the repair just to be sure. It shows as an update specifically. I just figured if this happened to others then it could be the Origin update. It messed up some other things for me.

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Arkennys wrote...

As sure as I can be. When I first saw it I canceled the update and did the repair just to be sure. It shows as an update specifically. I just figured if this happened to others then it could be the Origin update. It messed up some other things for me.


I just checked and got no update. I remember reading posts of people here who got 1.9 GB updates. Until today, no reports about secret endings so far. ;)

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Has anyone come across any clues in MP this weekend? This is the operation that finds the conduit I assume.


Well, I hosted U/U/S lobby last night and played about 7 games. 3 of them was in London.
Probably they increased drop rate for this map for weekend.

Edit: or that just me that lucky.<_<

Modifié par LtBehemoth, 11 août 2012 - 06:37 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

I just checked and got no update. I remember reading posts of people here who got 1.9 GB updates. Until today, no reports about secret endings so far. ;)


Yea, I was so hoping for that. Seriously though, I asked because I had the WoW launcher lock into an endless cycle of updates before, and I honestly figured this place is my best chance to find information if it exists.

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Hey otter. You think you could repost the "Harbinger is watching you" screenshots for the ending of the game? I had something that applied to that but nobody remembered your post so mine had little context.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Hey otter. You think you could repost the "Harbinger is watching you" screenshots for the ending of the game? I had something that applied to that but nobody remembered your post so mine had little context.


Request seconded! :happy:

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Hold on I'm watching cat videos and such, watch this it'll help pass the time as I shift though my posts.

Can't find it, I'll just make the same argument about overlay... my point on that post is that on every level you are being watched by Harbinger, it's subtle but there

Notice the positioning:

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Again when you arrive at the "citadel" same damn position, same color, only light that is Harbinger eyes orange:

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Every level it gets more abstract but the positioning remains the same, he's there looking at you.

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When I saw that I wanted to stand up and applaud, brilliant Casey and Mac I love it:wizard:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 11 août 2012 - 07:15 .


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

 So remember how Otter said that Harbinger's "eyes" can be seen throughout the ending sequence as if he was watching you?
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RIGHT as the Catalyst starts talking about himself the camera changes. It changes to the angle looking DIRECTLY and what would be Harbinger. Harbinger is "talking" about himself here, the camera angle shows this.

Edit: The text is hard to read but it says this "Child: I was created to bring balance, to be the catalyst for peace between organics and synthetics."

Reposting this now that it has context.

Edit: also how otter said it gets more abstract. That is quite possibly symbolizing that Shepard is sinking deeper into indoctrination because she can no longer decipher what is real or not.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 11 août 2012 - 07:18 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Hold on I'm watching cat videos and such, watch this it'll help pass the time as I shift though my posts.

Can't find it, I'll just make the same argument about overlay... my point on that post is that on every level you are being watched by Harbinger, it's subtle but there

Notice the positioning:

*snip*

Again when you arrive at the "citadel" same damn position, same color, only light that is Harbinger eyes orange:

*snip*

Every level it gets more abstract but the positioning remains the same, he's there looking at you.

*snip*
When I saw that I wanted to stand up and applaud, brilliant Casey and Mac I love it:wizard:


And I take it that this odd glow in the control room scene could also be Harbinger?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 août 2012 - 07:19 .


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

 So remember how Otter said that Harbinger's "eyes" can be seen throughout the ending sequence as if he was watching you?
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RIGHT as the Catalyst starts talking about himself the camera changes. It changes to the angle looking DIRECTLY and what would be Harbinger. Harbinger is "talking" about himself here, the camera angle shows this.

Edit: The text is hard to read but it says this "Child: I was created to bring balance, to be the catalyst for peace between organics and synthetics."

Reposting this now that it has context.

Edit: also how otter said it gets more abstract. That is quite possibly symbolizing that Shepard is sinking deeper into indoctrination because she can no longer decipher what is real or not.


Holy- nice catch, even I missed that! :wizard: Overlay FTW yall, see the ending is rich in imagery.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Hold on I'm watching cat videos and such, watch this it'll help pass the time as I shift though my posts.

Can't find it, I'll just make the same argument about overlay... my point on that post is that on every level you are being watched by Harbinger, it's subtle but there

Notice the positioning:

*snip*

Again when you arrive at the "citadel" same damn position, same color, only light that is Harbinger eyes orange:

*snip*

Every level it gets more abstract but the positioning remains the same, he's there looking at you.

*snip*
When I saw that I wanted to stand up and applaud, brilliant Casey and Mac I love it:wizard:


And I take it that this odd glow in the control room scene could also be Harbinger?


Could be I might have missed that.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Hold on I'm watching cat videos and such, watch this it'll help pass the time as I shift though my posts.

Can't find it, I'll just make the same argument about overlay... my point on that post is that on every level you are being watched by Harbinger, it's subtle but there

Notice the positioning:

*snip*

Again when you arrive at the "citadel" same damn position, same color, only light that is Harbinger eyes orange:

*snip*

Every level it gets more abstract but the positioning remains the same, he's there looking at you.

*snip*
When I saw that I wanted to stand up and applaud, brilliant Casey and Mac I love it:wizard:


And I take it that this odd glow in the control room scene could also be Harbinger?

The odd orange glow could not be produced by anything on Earth, it just isn't possible meaning that the glow shouldn't be there...but it is. That glow could resemble Harbinger's eyes just like that orange light in the tunnel. The positioning is consistantly the same.

Edit: you mean the TIM scene? I'll have to check again.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 11 août 2012 - 07:22 .


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he sees you when your sleeping he knows when your awake....

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This is why I LOVE the ending to ME3 so much. Not a popular opinion but when you start digging. So I guess I'm wrong and the catalyst isn't all in Shepard's head, the catalyst is a manifestation of Harbinger's meddling.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 11 août 2012 - 07:24 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Could be I might have missed that.


Nah, you didn't miss it, it's the first thing that comes glaring in your face once those big doors open, you know, the one that seems to be coming from the console and also seems to be the source for that looong shadow of the console on the floor of the control room.

Oh and, interestingly, the shadow isn't pointing to the middle, it has a small angle, also, interestingly, the angle indicates that the source is coming slightly from the right...where Harbinger is with respect to the London beam.

Otter and Chriz, you might be on to something. How could I have missed your post...that's an awesome piece of speculation!

EDIT:
@Chriz: yes, when I say Control room, I mean the circled area with the control panel and the Anderson/TIM confrontation.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 août 2012 - 07:28 .


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 Adding on to the overlay theory there's this.
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This is literally a tenth of a second before the starbrat says "Wake up." Notice how Shepard's eyes are open? Shepard is already "awake." 

When people die, they often die with their eyes open. Shepard has her eyes open when someone (I say someone beacuse it might be a voice heard from the outside and not actually starbrat) says "wake up." When do people cry and say "WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!" Oh yeah, when you can't believe someone died and you want them to come back to life. The LI in this case might be telling Shepard to wake up because Shepard at this point is starting to fade/die.

Also something of note. The starbrat rushes you to a decision and says that you don't have much time. This would support the fact that "Shepard died with her eyes open" statement because being dead/near death Shepard would not have much time left.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

 Adding on to the overlay theory there's this.
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This is literally a tenth of a second before the starbrat says "Wake up." Notice how Shepard's eyes are open? Shepard is already "awake." 

When people die, they often die with their eyes open. Shepard has her eyes open when someone (I say someone beacuse it might be a voice heard from the outside and not actually starbrat) says "wake up." When do people cry and say "WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!" Oh yeah, when you can't believe someone died and you want them to come back to life. The LI in this case might be telling Shepard to wake up because Shepard at this point is starting to fade/die.

Also something of note. The starbrat rushes you to a decision and says that you don't have much time. This would support the fact that "Shepard died with her eyes open" statement because being dead/near death Shepard would not have much time left.


Great catch... also the posture is a dead giveway

Shepard after meeting Reaper object Rho

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Only times Shepard's in that position.

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Which brings it all back to religious imagery like I've been saying:

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Viewing the reapers with supersitious awe.

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Also besides being in a pseudo prayer position. It could also resemble Shepard trying to push herself up. It could symbolize resistance of a great force or Shepard trying to find the strength to break free and "get up again."

Edit: on a speculation roll here. Otter five! :lol:

Edit again: I posted earlier about the camera angle when Harbinger talks about himself and it is important to note that Shepard is MUCH taller than starbrat yet the camera angle is so low. It is almost as if it (Harbinger) is saying that Shepard is lower than the starbrat.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 11 août 2012 - 07:46 .