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[The Heretic of Time]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Heretic,

He doesn't get hit by Harbinger's beam. Period. My goal was to eliminate plot armor- and, since there's no reason that Shepard has to be hit by Harbinger, he only has to be knocked out and injured, a fighter falling on him is more believable and doesn't have nearly as much plot armor.

He did get hit by Harbinger's beam in the original ending. Period.

But someone else just said that Shepard doesn't get hit in the EC. I have yet to see that for myself, as i thought Shepard still got hit in the EC.

[The Heretic of Time]

TSA_383 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Macross wrote...

I am so confused Heretic. I always thought you were an ITer. Da hell happened?

I haven't been an ITer for a long time friend. I stopped believing in this theory around the same period the EC was announced. All the EC did was put the final nail in the coffin of the IT. That's when I completely abandoned the IT, like many of my friends did. I still come here once in a while to argue. Maybe I can convince some folks to wake up like I did and abandon the IT like I did, although I doubt that anyone who still believes in the IT at this point is easily persuaded into abandoning the IT.

Oh, so you're just here to intentionally be as confrontational as possible and derail the thread every 5 pages.
Great. Go somewhere else.

I'm not derailing anything. I'm discussing the IT.

[Macross]

Syfy have like one Scifi show currently airing, then like 3 supernatural dramas and everything else is just god damn reality shows or game shows or other crap. It's not a science fiction channel anymore, it's like if EA decided to stop making/funding games and started making animated movies. urg.

@Heretic, oh well man. Sad to see your faith broken. Honestly, I'm going to keep on believing until the Last DLC is released (or a new ME game is released), even if its a fools hope, it's still hope.

Oh and guys, Heretic is legimately discussing IT. So you know, he does have a right to be here and discuss it with us. Always nice to have another point of few or the thread gets stagant like how society is going to get stagant in the Synthesis ending. 

Modifié par Macross, 12 août 2012 - 03:16 .

[The Heretic of Time]

You're a cool person Macross. Glad to see not all ITers just want to hold hands and sing kumbaya together rather than actually debating and scrutinizing the IT.

[Lokanaiya]

Heretic:

..... And what is so important, storywise, of him getting hit by Harbinger's beam in particular? My script was what the writers could have done originally, but didn't. And now, the question is why did they do it that way? Most probable answer: Because they wanted to draw attention to Harbinger's horrible aim and the general surrealism and illogic of the scene.

[Andromidius]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

He did get hit by Harbinger's beam in the original ending. Period.

No he didn't.  Go rewatch a video or replay the game.

And then go to Specsavers.  Its clear you need a checkup.

[CoolioThane]

No. Patronisation and calling us delusional is not productive.

[DJBare]

TSA_383 wrote...

Interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/13636961/

MetioricTest wrote..
Vigil: "The Reapers, unknowable. Perhaps they need slaves or resources. More likely they are driven by goals organics cannot hope to comprehend. In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on destroying them. Not understanding them."

Huh uh, this from a VI created by the protheans, and we all know what the protheans think of the reapers, Javik is vengance and I have to wonder if it's the protheans leading Shepard down the wrong path just to get their vengance, they have little problem using others to get the task done.

[ebuchala]

TSA_383 wrote...

Interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/13636961/

MetioricTest wrote...

In some ways he ties in terribly (Like the Reapers ignoring Relay control this time around for unclear reasons)

But I prefer how he (accidentally) foreshadows the Catalyst.... And then proceeds to (accidentally) foreshadow why people don't like the Catalyst.

Vigil: "The Citadel is a trap. The station is actually an enormous Mass Relay. One that links to Dark Space, The empty void beyond the Galaxy's horizon. When the relay is activated, The reapers will pour through and all you know will be destroyed."

Shepard: "How come nobody ever knew the Citadel was an inactive Mass Relay?"

Vigil: "The Reapers are careful to keep the greatest secrets of the Citadel hidden. That is why they created a species of seemingly benign organic Caretakers. The Keepers maintain the station's basic functions, they enable any species that discovers the Citadel to use it without understanding their technology. Reliance on the keepers ensures that no other species will ever discover the Citadel's true nature.

Shepard: "But what do they get out this? Why do they keep repeating this pattern of genocide over and over?"

Vigil: "The Reapers, unknowable. Perhaps they need slaves or resources. More likely they are driven by goals organics cannot hope to comprehend. In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on destroying them. Not understanding them."


As far as "Random guys who pop up and give you all the exposition" go, Vigil is probably my favorite. Vendetta was no where near as cool.,

I always thought it was incredibly naive for all the advanced races to take the Citadel at face value and rely so heavily on the keepers.

[TSA_383]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I'm not derailing anything. I'm discussing the IT.

Bull****. You're just here to try and antagonise people.
If you really want to try to prove us wrong, then please, come up with another interpretation of the story that makes more sense.

Frankly, I refuse to believe the plot that the trilogy was leading up to all along was "Saren and the Illusive man were right, oh by the way the reapers were just misunderstood". How does "Reapers are indoctrinating the player, just like they've indoctrinated at least half of the major characters in the series so far" make less sense?

[DJBare]

CoolioThane wrote...

No. Patronisation and calling us delusional is not productive.

I find "ignore" is less effort than responding, or at least stick to the topic and just ignore the insults, sticks and stones, especially on an internet forum, just saying.

[Sero303]

DJBare wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No. Patronisation and calling us delusional is not productive.

I find "ignore" is less effort than responding, or at least stick to the topic and just ignore the insults, sticks and stones, especially on an internet forum, just saying.

great advice, too bad there isn't an "ignore" option when you reach the catalyst

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Macross wrote...

I am so confused Heretic. I always thought you were an ITer. Da hell happened?

I haven't been an ITer for a long time friend. I stopped believing in this theory around the same period the EC was announced. All the EC did was put the final nail in the coffin of the IT. That's when I completely abandoned the IT, like many of my friends did. I still come here once in a while to argue. Maybe I can convince some folks to wake up like I did and abandon the IT like I did, although I doubt that anyone who still believes in the IT at this point is easily persuaded into abandoning the IT.

Now I got it! He's Saren

[CoolioThane]

I feel an "ignore user" button could be implemented.

On the football forum I am on we have that

Anyways Leviathan will spark new life into IT speculations and I cannot wait!

[The Heretic of Time]

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

He did get hit by Harbinger's beam in the original ending. Period.

No he didn't.  Go rewatch a video or replay the game.

And then go to Specsavers.  Its clear you need a checkup.

Rewatched it. Shepard is most certainly hit by the beam, which is what causes Shepard's blackout and shellshock. I don't see how you guys can think otherwise. There is nothing else nearby that could cause Shepard fainting other than the approaching beam that moves towards Shepard. It's pretty damn obvious that the beam is the cause of Shepard fainting.

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

He did get hit by Harbinger's beam in the original ending. Period.

No he didn't.  Go rewatch a video or replay the game.

And then go to Specsavers.  Its clear you need a checkup.

Rewatched it. Shepard is most certainly hit by the beam, which is what causes Shepard's blackout and shellshock. I don't see how you guys can think otherwise. There is nothing else nearby that could cause Shepard fainting other than the approaching beam that moves towards Shepard. It's pretty damn obvious that the beam is the cause of Shepard fainting.

It is, yes, but Shep still doesn't get a direct hit.

[CoolioThane]

If Shep had been hit directly = vaporised

[ebuchala]

DJBare wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/13636961/

MetioricTest wrote..
Vigil: "The Reapers, unknowable. Perhaps they need slaves or resources. More likely they are driven by goals organics cannot hope to comprehend. In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on destroying them. Not understanding them."

Huh uh, this from a VI created by the protheans, and we all know what the protheans think of the reapers, Javik is vengance and I have to wonder if it's the protheans leading Shepard down the wrong path just to get their vengance, they have little problem using others to get the task done.

While that's a very valid point, you still have pretty much every major character (and quite a few minor ones) you respect in the game telling you the same thing. Everything from ME1 up to the Catalyst has pointed to destroying the Reapers, whether you understand them or not.

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

He did get hit by Harbinger's beam in the original ending. Period.

No he didn't.  Go rewatch a video or replay the game.

And then go to Specsavers.  Its clear you need a checkup.

Rewatched it. Shepard is most certainly hit by the beam, which is what causes Shepard's blackout and shellshock. I don't see how you guys can think otherwise. There is nothing else nearby that could cause Shepard fainting other than the approaching beam that moves towards Shepard. It's pretty damn obvious that the beam is the cause of Shepard fainting.

It is, yes, but Shep still doesn't get a direct hit.

Hard to say. The beam moves towards Shepard and when it gets close enough that it actually hits Shepard the screen fades to white. Whether it was a direct hit or a scratch shot, it was enough to make Shepard faint.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[AxStapleton]

CoolioThane wrote...

If Shep had been hit directly = vaporised

We are talking about a stream of superheated liquid metal that can cut Dreadnoughts to pieces after all.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 12 août 2012 - 03:57 .

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

If Shep had been hit directly = vaporised

Well Shepard didn't get any (shield) damage from the other shots that just barely missed him, so clearly Shepard activated his plot armor before he started running. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 août 2012 - 03:59 .

[CoolioThane]

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

[Leonia]

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How do you know what Harbinger's intentions were? He made no effort to kill Shepard but that doesn't mean the desire wasn't there, you could even say he gets his chance in Refuse.

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How is shooting a goddamn beam of liquid metal at Shepard not trying to kill him?

If Harby didn't want to kill Shepard, he could have started with not shooting at him. Derp.