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[masster blaster]

Evolution is a comic, that explains how TIM came to be TIM, we see in MEW, but becomes like Saren's brother in ME3, wantin to Control the Reapers, and even TIM himself said that Saren's brother could not Control the husk Truians, but look at what TIm is doind now in ME3. And sorry I thought that they were in the comics, so sorry, but even if they are in the novals, Bioware alreay explained them in the novals, so they don't need an expantion of the Characters alreay again, unless you read the novel.

You could say Bioware should have, but should they, unless you read the novels, and comics everything is there in ME3 that has bit's of info/ Characters in ME3.

[The Heretic of Time]

DJBare wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

That's a scene I will never buy in to, dead is dead, it's just three minutes until the brain synapses collapse and decay, even if they had by some miracle jump started the brain, the personality and memories would no longer exist.

Indeed. And yet Cerberus still manages to bring us back alive, despise all logic, despise all odds.

If Shepard can be brought back to life after dying and crashing into a planet, is it really that hard to believe Shepard can survive a shot of a liquid metal laser beam?

To me, surviving a shot of liquid metal seems a lot less far-fetched than "surviving" re-entry into the atmosphere of a planet and then crashing into the surface with god knows how much speed.

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Btw relevant to Harby shooting Shep:
http://www.youtube.c...g80k6VZKY#t=55s

Nice try, but a liquid metal laser is not the same as bullets. You can't shoot a concussive liquid metal laser beam.

... I rate that as you wanted to troll so I don't have to think you are stupid or something. It's not about the weapon that is used but the tactic.

[plfranke]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

That's a scene I will never buy in to, dead is dead, it's just three minutes until the brain synapses collapse and decay, even if they had by some miracle jump started the brain, the personality and memories would no longer exist.

Indeed. And yet Cerberus still manages to bring us back alive, despise all logic, despise all odds.

If Shepard can be brought back to life after dying and crashing into a planet, is it really that hard to believe Shepard can survive a shot of a liquid metal laser beam?

To me, surviving a shot of liquid metal seems a lot less far-fetched than "surviving" re-entry into the atmosphere of a planet and then crashing into the surface with god knows how much speed.

That's just one of many far fetched things you'd have to believe. You'd have to also believe that the Reapers would program the beam to take you to the one and only place that could possibly stop them. And then even when you fail to get there they'd give you a magic elevator ride.

[The Heretic of Time]

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How is shooting a goddamn beam of liquid metal at Shepard not trying to kill him?

If Harby didn't want to kill Shepard, he could have started with not shooting at him. Derp. 

how exactly do you think shepard survived the blast when tanks and gunships couldn't?

You ask that to me? Ask a BioWare writer. I wouldn't know.

The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

Bioware writers aren't on this thread telling me that Harbinger was trying to kill Shepard, you are. And he didn't survive he died. Lazarus Project?

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

[plfranke]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How is shooting a goddamn beam of liquid metal at Shepard not trying to kill him?

If Harby didn't want to kill Shepard, he could have started with not shooting at him. Derp. 

how exactly do you think shepard survived the blast when tanks and gunships couldn't?

You ask that to me? Ask a BioWare writer. I wouldn't know.

The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

Bioware writers aren't on this thread telling me that Harbinger was trying to kill Shepard, you are. And he didn't survive he died. Lazarus Project?

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

Say for a second that your comparison is valid. That would still mean Shepard would have needed 2 years and billions of credits worth of resources before he would have been in any kind of shape to get up to that beam  but he just got up and limped over. He took a reaper beam for god's sake those things rip through dreadnoughts.

[masster blaster]

Hanar Megum was trying to say that Garrus could have killed Shepard, but well Shepard is his buddy. But if Garrus didn't shot at Shepard others would get very spectical, on why isn't that person dead.

Also Garrus used OTHER rounds to shot at Shepard.

Think about Harbinger to make it look convising that Shepard is dead, Harbinger shots a round under neath Shepard, and stops right when the screen goes white. Think about it did we see Shepard get a direct hit, no. We asume that happened, but no it didn't.

Also if Harbinger wanted Shepard died, then Harbinger could have done it, when Shepard was saying good bye, and if you want to use plot armor, then Shepard would survuve the Normandy explosion, and a round of Harbiners beam. Am I right.

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Btw relevant to Harby shooting Shep:
http://www.youtube.c...g80k6VZKY#t=55s

Nice try, but a liquid metal laser is not the same as bullets. You can't shoot a concussive liquid metal laser beam.

... I rate that as you wanted to troll so I don't have to think you are stupid or something. It's not about the weapon that is used but the tactic.

The tactic.. okay, sure.. But that still doesn't explain how Shepard survives that enormous blast from the laser when he is (nearly) hit by it. It's not like Harbinger has any control over that you know.

Or did Harbinger set his laser to indoc-mode instead of kill-mode? Is that even possible? 

[Mythanblood]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How is shooting a goddamn beam of liquid metal at Shepard not trying to kill him?

If Harby didn't want to kill Shepard, he could have started with not shooting at him. Derp. 

how exactly do you think shepard survived the blast when tanks and gunships couldn't?

You ask that to me? Ask a BioWare writer. I wouldn't know.

The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

Bioware writers aren't on this thread telling me that Harbinger was trying to kill Shepard, you are. And he didn't survive he died. Lazarus Project?

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

[The Heretic of Time]

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Bioware writers aren't on this thread telling me that Harbinger was trying to kill Shepard, you are. And he didn't survive he died. Lazarus Project?

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

Say for a second that your comparison is valid. That would still mean Shepard would have needed 2 years and billions of credits worth of resources before he would have been in any kind of shape to get up to that beam  but he just got up and limped over. He took a reaper beam for god's sake those things rip through dreadnoughts.

You are missing the point.

What I'm saying is that if miracles like Shepard's-body-surviving-crashing-into-a-planet can happen in The Mass Effect universe, than Shepard surviving a scratch shot from a laser beam is not that far-fetched.

[Priss Blackburne]

masster blaster wrote...

Evolution is a comic, that explains how TIM came to be TIM, we see in MEW, but becomes like Saren's brother in ME3, wantin to Control the Reapers, and even TIM himself said that Saren's brother could not Control the husk Truians, but look at what TIm is doind now in ME3. And sorry I thought that they were in the comics, so sorry, but even if they are in the novals, Bioware alreay explained them in the novals, so they don't need an expantion of the Characters alreay again, unless you read the novel.

You could say Bioware should have, but should they, unless you read the novels, and comics everything is there in ME3 that has bit's of info/ Characters in ME3.

honestly...I have no clue what your trying to explain, or what your responding to in this post.

I have all the novels (-last one) and all the comics I know what happens in them. I was only pointing out your saying what is in them doesn't happen in one part, then say they do in another part of your post.

ie not canon one min then history ( Canon ) the next.

[The Heretic of Time]

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I would like so see that math. Because no matter how much you juggle with your maths, surviving such a thing is just not possible, at least not in real-life. Period.

[masster blaster]

So has anyone speculated on why didn't Anderson did not go down the hill with Shepard. Also Coats should be running with use to. And it's weird that his body was on the Citadel, but Bioware fouceds on the spot where the body should be, once Shepard get's on the Citadel. So it was intended to have a body there, and that we would try to find out, who was there, and why aren't they there when Shepard wakes up.

[spotlessvoid]

@ HH

Because you are well versed in the protective technology used in Sheps armor? Yes it's a little far fetched, but it happened. There is no evidence in the rest of ME contradicting it's possibility.

Surviving a direct hit from Harbinger however, has plenty of evidence contradicting it being possible. All in the very same scene!

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 12 août 2012 - 05:42 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Btw relevant to Harby shooting Shep:
http://www.youtube.c...g80k6VZKY#t=55s

Nice try, but a liquid metal laser is not the same as bullets. You can't shoot a concussive liquid metal laser beam.

... I rate that as you wanted to troll so I don't have to think you are stupid or something. It's not about the weapon that is used but the tactic.

The tactic.. okay, sure.. But that still doesn't explain how Shepard survives that enormous blast from the laser when he is (nearly) hit by it. It's not like Harbinger has any control over that you know.

Or did Harbinger set his laser to indoc-mode instead of kill-mode? Is that even possible? 

The beam seems to be easily adjustable btw, there is about to zero force to push stuff away in some of the beams while others hurl massive objects with ease. You seem to have missed that.
I don't say there is an indoc mode, but definitely one with less force.

[Priss Blackburne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I would like so see that math. Because no matter how much you juggle with your maths, surviving such a thing is just not possible, at least not in real-life. Period.

would it not depend on what kind of atmosphere and gravity an alien planet has compared to earths?

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I would like so see that math. Because no matter how much you juggle with your maths, surviving such a thing is just not possible, at least not in real-life. Period.

Uhm there are even cases of people surviving a fall with maximum speed (maximum speed to be achieved with earths gravity alone)
they were also linked at the mark 1

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[masster blaster]

Also Hanar, well think about this why have the other Reapers kill Shepard, and not Harbinger the First Reaper, and the oldest of the Reapers, to not finish Shepard of himself.

[The Twilight God]

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Incineration is symbolic, it never happened. In Control Shepard surrenders his body to the Reapers, giving them his body, though he believes he continues to resist.

In Synthesis, he gives in to the Reaper philosophy, diving forward into the unknown. Letting fate, chance, and the Reapers take him where they will.

After that? It's Shepard's mind extrapolating from there, either images he uses to comfort himself into believing he did the right thing, comforting himself with the idea that the galaxy is saved, that all his friends and compatriots survived and went on to live happy, long contented lives without him. It explains why Synthesis is so sacharrine, as well as the Gilligan's Planet bit, which spawned from several conversations throughout the game, indicating from several characters they would like the idea of just going to a secluded beach planet somewhere.

 

Would it be accurate to say you believe that, even in the Destroy ending, nothing you witness actually transpires; that Mass Effect 3 does not actually conclude beyond the Crucible docking chamber or the room right before it (if you believe the docking chamber was a hallucination)?

I ask because all of the pertinent events of each ending play out in the same general manner. For instance, regardless of the ending you choose Admiral Hackett gives an order to fall back to the rendezvous point and the same brief scene between Joker and a squad mate at the helm play out identically in all endings. Regardless of the ending you choose the energy wave erupts from the epicenter under the same battlefield conditions in orbit (i.e. Allied Fleet and Reaper vessels situated in the same exact positions). Regardless of the ending you choose the ground forces fighting on Earth are shown in the exact same neighborhood moving in the exact same fashion. The exact same advancing Cannibal is shot by the exact same resistance soldier. The exact same reaper destroyer lands and the exact same dreadnaughts are in the distance. The Normandy is forced to land or crash land on the same identical jungle world in which you state is a delusion in the context of Control and Synthesis. The crew is depicted exiting the Normandy in the same exact manner in Control and Destroy.

Would it not be sensible to conclude that either all endings are equally delusional or they all play out in reality?

However, certain aspects of the differences between endings are worth noting because they would indicate that it is not a hallucination. For instance, why would Shepard's subconscious in the Control ending involve the Citadel arms closing and the Control eruption reaching the Charon Mass Relay in the form of an energy wave as opposed to reaching it as a beam and causing severe explosions across the Citadel in the Synthesis and Destroy versions? There are no clues leading up to the Control decision to account for why Shepard would envision its outcome playing out in a different fashion than Synthesis or Destroy. Furthermore, if it is all a delusion why does the readiness of the allied fleets have any relevance whatsoever on what delusions Shepard perceives in the Crucible docking chamber? Why is there a high EMS necessity for Synthesis. Why does the choice to either preserve of destroy the Collector Base in Mass Effect 2 even matter in this regard with low EMS? 

Arian Dynas wrote...

Not even that.

He's angry that he ruined the target.

Harbinger WANTS Shepard. He wants Shepard exactly as he is. He isn't looking for "Not-Shepard". Choosing Refuse, Shepard has chosen not to commit one way or another, to opt out. Refuse means he has lost his determination, his necessary drive that was an integral part of him. He lost the part of himself that Harbinger wanted. He's useless to them now. What's more, he's a frustration. Somehow, in the final moment, not only did he deny Harbinger his prize, he also denied him further methods of acquiring it.

Interesting. This is similar to my own conclusion. That being that Shepard has been psychologically broken in the choice to Refuse. His final statements when making this defeatist choice, conflicts with the situation he is in (i.e. he did not to everything he could to stop the Reapers). The Star Child's comments, essentially informing Shepard of the idiocy of the decision, seem to be the Reapers "poking him to confirm he is out". The players' inability to back out of this absurd choice is also telling.

I considered that allowing Shepard to reach the Citadel was intentional. However, reaching the Crucible docking chamber prior to his will being perverted by indoctrination was unintentional. In this scenario, Harbinger allowed Shepard to continue and it was The Illusive Man's part to hold Shepard in place (via the biotic ability Dominate) while the Reapers put the whammy on him. As it turned out Shepard's resolve was greater than anticipated. Shepard was building a resistance to TIM's biotics and even making efforts to subvert the Reapers by making TIM self aware of his indoctrination. If successful, this results in TIM committing suicide. Otherwise, by unnerving TIM or by sheer will, Shepard breaks the hold of Domination. Either way, the result is the Reapers attempt to assassinate Shepard to keep him from proceeding. Of course, Shepard kills TIM first.

I could have used it also to some extent to explain why Harbinger does not blow up the Normandy during the extraction in high EMS scenarios. My reasoning: It does not want to complicate any indoctrination attempts by fueling Shepard's hatred of the Reapers. However, this isn't strong evidence for such a theory as Harbinger has no qualms killing the two crew members who accompanied Shepard in low EMS situations. At the same time there is enough evidence to dismiss a lot of EMS-based differences as arbitrary seeing as the divergent results aren't based on differing circumstances. An example being Cortez's shuttle crashing and exploding vs. him making a crash landing and walking away with his life. EMS doesn't change the circumstances of the event, just the outcome in an unashamedly arbitrary manner. The same applies for certain ME2 squad mates' survival being based solely on ME2 loyalty instead of differing circumstances.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Just because he's indoctrinated does not mean that he doesn't resist. He gave in slightly before the events of ME3. Before that he was still resisting. No one can deny he's indoctrinated, it's a major part of his backstory. It's merely to what degree. At some point previously we worked out roughly the stages of indoctrination

Resistance is active, not passive. How does one resist what they do not perceive? It's one thing to be indoctrinated and another to have had contact with a reaper device and there being a lingering affect. In the same way there is a difference between a pebble hitting your windshield and a long crack with multiple deviations spanning the entire length of your windshield that could hypothetically develop from that pebble strike. Prior to ME3 TIM (like Shepard) had been hit by the pebble, but the fracture was never large enough to be noticed by the naked eye. 

So let's say I deny he was indoctrinated until events following Shepard's assault on the Collector Base; How would you counter my assertion?

Arian Dynas wrote...

That, and while yes, someone could give themselves similar eyes, in the story, those eyes are only ever associated with the indoctrinated, and as Shepard's implants show, there are synthetic eyes, but they bear an entirely different pattern. The eyes of The Illusive Man, and Saren are unique to the indoctrinated.

Shepard, TIM and Saren each have a unique pattern to their synthetic eyes. Shepard's synthetic eyes are closer to Saren's; both having a solid glowing iris. TIM's eyes have a dark iris with thin glowing inclusions "decorating" the eyes. Take Dr. Kenson or any of the individuals indoctrinated on the steroid station. They were fully indoctrinated and their eyes were normal. Benezia's eyes were normal. 

Arian Dynas wrote...

I think that TIM and Anderson were never present, and were in fact, manifestations of Shepard's own personality.

Anderson is the Defender, Shepard's moral compass, his father figure, his Superego, if you will.

The Illusive Man is his other mentor, his shoulder devil, his Id.

Shepard himself is his Ego, which needs to reach a compromise between the Id and Superego.

This sounds like a reasonable way to interpret the events given the way they were presented. Hackett says, "he made it", not "they made it".

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Illusive Man, the Invader, is the subconcious aspect of Shepard that has succumbed to the Reapers. It is NOT indoctrination or a Reaper itself, merely an aspect of Shepard's mind that has given in. It require's Shepard's belief to survive, to exist. It's also why TIM himself seems to be as simplified as Anderson. He suddenly goes from "I neither need your support nor your approval." to suddenly being "I need you to believe." you can also see why he not only looks slightly younger than the Real TIM, (since his appearance here is based off of what Shepard has seen of him through a QEC) but also why his appearance looks like a husk, when mere hours ago, he looked fine.

On Cronos Station we see via video logs that TIM had himself implanted. The exact time of this implantation is not certain, but given the video logs in their entirety it had to have followed the Thessia mission at the earliest and at the latest sometime immediately before the fleets launched the attack on Cronos Station. My best guess would be this occurred after Kai Leng returned with the Sanctuary data and (obviously) before TIM left for the Citadel (before the fleets attacked Cerberus HQ). Therefore, his physical appearance is no necessarily surprising at all nor is his more overt gestures to facilitate the Reapers by informing them of the Citadel and the Crucible. How does one notify the Reapers of anything in conventional manner anyway? They don't exactly have a phone number you can call.

Arian Dynas wrote...

In other words, both TIM and Anderson are likely quite alive still.

Why would you think it is likely that Anderson is alive? 

Arian Dynas wrote...

Quite correct. But as I said, the brain has physical effects on the body via brain chemistry.

Indoctrination is equal parts psychological, and equal parts chemical. The Reaper needs to convince the subject to agree with them, hence it's name, Indoctrination, to initiate one into a set of beliefs or doctrines. Indoctrination is not mind control, it's distinct from mind control. It's not that it makes you do things that you don't want to do, it's that it makes you want to do them.

It is mind control in that the subject's thoughts have been supplanted by whatever thoughts the Reapers want them to act upon. That is the very model of mind control. If you are walking down the street and I see you and put in your mind the notion that your shoes are untied, you'd make an awkward stop and bend down to tie. To your surprise they would already be tied. A person is identified with what thoughts pop into their head. There is no way for them to know where the thought originates. Thought formulates, they react. Eventually the Reaper implanted thoughts form new habits and the subjects own natural thoughts begin to coincide with the Reapers' intent. My point is, mind control comes first, then the textbook definition of indoctrination. Indoctrination occurs by means of mind control.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Shiala has resisted indoctrination with the aide of the Feros colonists, who have become a hive mind through the Thorian Spores, The Rachni Queen explicitly mentions hearing the influence of the machines at the edge of her mind, but her children allow her to spread the load among many minds. Likely, the other queens lacked the prior knowledge of past events that this one does. They did not understand the danger indoctrination presented.

Shiala, like the Rachni Queen, completely ignores it. She is immune to Reaper thralldom.  She does not succumb, not because she herself is resisting, but because she shares thought with the other colonist. If she is indoctrinated, the whole is not. The collective non-indoctrinated mind overrides the single indoctrinated mind.

As far as the Queen using a similar technique to avoid thralldom, I've seen no evidence. She is alone, in silence, when you encounter her. As far as the player is aware her current children are all husks. She even claims the children will kill her as well. She says she hears the machines, but it does not control her (i.e. it's just an annoyance). Which says to me that she is simply immune. It is possible that rachni queens were always immune. The Rachni Queen says her mother would cry about what was happening which hints at the Reapers taking the children against the will of the queens. When the Krogan arrived they just shot first and didn't ask any questions (not that they could have).

Modifié par The Twilight God, 12 août 2012 - 06:08 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, Harby was trying not to kill Shep

How is shooting a goddamn beam of liquid metal at Shepard not trying to kill him?

If Harby didn't want to kill Shepard, he could have started with not shooting at him. Derp. 

how exactly do you think shepard survived the blast when tanks and gunships couldn't?

You ask that to me? Ask a BioWare writer. I wouldn't know.

The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

Bioware writers aren't on this thread telling me that Harbinger was trying to kill Shepard, you are. And he didn't survive he died. Lazarus Project?

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I wonder what this guy's grade in physics was. 

[TSA_383]

DJBare wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The same way I don't know how Shepard's body could survive entering the atmosphere of the planet in the beginning of ME2. How exactyly do you think Shepard survived re-entry when he was falling towards the planet at the beginning of ME2?

That's a scene I will never buy in to, dead is dead, it's just three minutes until the brain synapses collapse and decay, even if they had by some miracle jump started the brain, the personality and memories would no longer exist.

Actually, some people do survive for hours with no pulse if they're in extremely cold conditions - It's happened a few times out in the northern parts of norway and sweden.

There was a very interesting one where someone got found in an avalanche with a core temperature of 14 degrees C having had no pulse for probably over an hour and they made a full recovery.

But yeah, re-entry is unsurvivable. Given the whole "biotic shields" thing though it may be justifiable in scifi...

As for the breath scene though, that's not really possible if the preceding explosion actually happened and wasn't all part of the mental battle. One does not simply survive a multi-megaton explosion at point blank range with damaged armor and no helmet in space.

[masster blaster]

Twilight god I already explained why the Reapers can't indoctrinate the Rachni queens, and the Thrones.

Legion, they used Legion to amplify the Reaper signles to Control the Geth. They use the queens songs, and make the Reaper sounds, causing the workers to go on a rampage. Shaila has the Colonist to help her not subcome to Indoctrination, but she know she is Indocrinated, but the colonist are helping her fight it, since their minds are one.

That is why I think Leviathan will link it's mind into Shepard's, since we know that Leviathan get's into Shepard's mind, and we could asume in Destroy Shepard wakes up, inly because of Leviathans help, or if you have the Rachni,Liara meld you mind into her's, or have high EMS, Shepard wakes up in Destroy.

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I would like so see that math. Because no matter how much you juggle with your maths, surviving such a thing is just not possible, at least not in real-life. Period.

Uhm there are even cases of people surviving a fall with maximum speed (maximum speed to be achieved with earths gravity alone)
they were also linked at the mark 1

There is no such thing as a "max speed". And the speed of the fall is not even the big issue here. The fact that his body survives entering the atmosphere of the planet is the big issue here.

[Priss Blackburne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

His body survived, which shouldn't be possible. His body should have vaporised upon entering the atmosphere of the planet. And if that doesn't happen, the crash into the earth should have turning Shepard's body into nothing more than a messy splash of organic goo.

This again? <_<
I seem to remember that there was a guy in the original or second (I think it was the first one) IT-thread who did the math and came to the conclusion that it was very possible for Shepards body to survive the re-entry.

I would like so see that math. Because no matter how much you juggle with your maths, surviving such a thing is just not possible, at least not in real-life. Period.

Uhm there are even cases of people surviving a fall with maximum speed (maximum speed to be achieved with earths gravity alone)
they were also linked at the mark 1

There is no such thing as a "max speed". And the speed of the fall is not even the big issue here. The fact that his body survives entering the atmosphere of the planet is the big issue here.

http://www.newton.de...00/phy00800.htm

Yes, there is a maximum velocity an object will reach (called the terminal velocity),
but gravity will always be pulling on it at an acceleration around 9.81 m/sec^2. What
is causing the terminal velocity is a resistance force that is caused be the wind, or
the friction of moving through air. The fall is a matter of balancing forces. The
force of gravity pulling you down is counterbalanced at some point due to the force of
the wind resistance trying to slow you down.

edit: your also judging it off an atmosphere the same as earths. Different planets have different atmospheres. And a lower Gravity would exert less force pushing you down would it not?

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 12 août 2012 - 06:10 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

http://www.newton.de...00/phy00800.htm

So there is a maximum falling speed. Okay, fair enough, I stand corrected on this one.

I still have a hard time believing anyone could survive a fall from that speed in real-life. Do you have a source to back it up?

edit: your also judging it off an atmosphere the same as earths. Different planets have different atmospheres.

Doesn't matter. Mars has a different atmosphere than earth and objects still burn when they enter the atmosphere.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 août 2012 - 06:16 .