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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


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Huh. Cool. There are seriously too many "coincidences" for BW to not pay attention to anything. Also, I had a theory that the facility in Rio may be developing a mass relay, or some super weapon. There are code 990's on the map. Radiation exposure. Hackett also mentions that there are 990 cuts left to go to defeat the reapers. This may be grasping at straws emergency induction ports, but if we still have 990 left to go, then you could interpret that as: We still have Rio left to go in SP. Posted Image



I think it was 999 left to go....


Actually, I think he DID say 990.  I remember thinking it was weird at the time that he talked about the death of a 1000 cuts, said that we delivered the 1st, and then said that there were 990 left to go.  Last time I checked, 990 + 1 =/= 1000. ;)

It could be a typo. 9 is right beside of 0 on the keyboard.

Actually, they wrote "nine hundred and ninety" without numbers.
Edit: I'm on top

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


BansheeOwnage wrote...

Huh. Cool. There are seriously too many "coincidences" for BW to not pay attention to anything. Also, I had a theory that the facility in Rio may be developing a mass relay, or some super weapon. There are code 990's on the map. Radiation exposure. Hackett also mentions that there are 990 cuts left to go to defeat the reapers. This may be grasping at straws emergency induction ports, but if we still have 990 left to go, then you could interpret that as: We still have Rio left to go in SP. Posted Image



I think it was 999 left to go....


Actually, I think he DID say 990.  I remember thinking it was weird at the time that he talked about the death of a 1000 cuts, said that we delivered the 1st, and then said that there were 990 left to go.  Last time I checked, 990 + 1 =/= 1000. ;)

It could be a typo. 9 is right beside of 0 on the keyboard.

Actually, they wrote "nine hundred and ninety" without numbers.
Edit: I'm on top

Well, then it isn't a typo.

Trying to reclaim your title as top poster, I see!

Modifié par estebanus, 12 août 2012 - 10:18 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


BansheeOwnage wrote...

Huh. Cool. There are seriously too many "coincidences" for BW to not pay attention to anything. Also, I had a theory that the facility in Rio may be developing a mass relay, or some super weapon. There are code 990's on the map. Radiation exposure. Hackett also mentions that there are 990 cuts left to go to defeat the reapers. This may be grasping at straws emergency induction ports, but if we still have 990 left to go, then you could interpret that as: We still have Rio left to go in SP. Posted Image



I think it was 999 left to go....


Actually, I think he DID say 990.  I remember thinking it was weird at the time that he talked about the death of a 1000 cuts, said that we delivered the 1st, and then said that there were 990 left to go.  Last time I checked, 990 + 1 =/= 1000. ;)

It could be a typo. 9 is right beside of 0 on the keyboard.

Actually, they wrote "nine hundred and ninety" without numbers.
Edit: I'm on top

Why do I always get the last post :o

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

He never said 1st so I still can't see any confusion.
10 of 1000 seems still to be at the start imo.

So why an abstract number?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

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So I spent 30 minutes deciphering this sign:

*snip*

And I came up with this

Although section T78 talks about effects not otherwise specified, I assume that means Reaper Indoctrination. For example, I'm sure our Earth medical books don't have written manuals about indoctrination. Since the Reapers are just a myth to most except for Shepard and a few others, they probably won't have manuals about it.

T75 refers to vertigo from infrasound.

Huh. Cool. There are seriously too many "coincidences" for BW to not pay attention to anything. Also, I had a theory that the facility in Rio may be developing a mass relay, or some super weapon. There are code 990's on the map. Radiation exposure. Hackett also mentions that there are 990 cuts left to go to defeat the reapers. This may be grasping at straws emergency induction ports, but if we still have 990 left to go, then you could interpret that as: We still have Rio left to go in SP. Posted Image


Mind = Blown x2


That fits just a little too well, in my opinion. I agree that all the "coincidences" that keep building up the more we analyze things are too many and too varied to all be unintended. I also notice that each one is just enough of a clue that it can tantalize us, but not actually prove anything definitively.

You bring up a good point about Rio. Aren't all the other multiplayer maps places that we have gone in single-player?

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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Watching the closing ceremony to the greatest Olympics of all time! So proud to be British.

There a reason you need to tell us this?


There a reason you need to be an arse? People can talk about bloody anime and stuff but because I dare post something because I feel very proud is put of order?


What the hell is your problem? Why so hostile?


Look, you've been having a go at whatever I post for days now. If anyone posts anything off topic you do t point to them and say "why are you saying this?" but then I post because I have an incredible sense of pride and get questioned over it. 

Ive not got a problem at all, it's you that does.

Jade I was supporting Aussie holds much to thr annoyance of my dad but I will forever dislike Mears after elbowing poor Queen Vic in the women'ssprint :P

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Um not to be um interupting why you don't like Estebanus, or what ever you don't like, but let's not go into this. Look I get why Coolio is saying this Estebanus because you talk about anime, other games, and pie on this thread. But Coolio Estebanus is just is being himself. So come it down the both of you.

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Hrothdane wrote...

You bring up a good point about Rio. Aren't all the other multiplayer maps places that we have gone in single-player?

Yes. I'll repost something I wrote before you arrived on this thread about that.

Okay. So I'll start by saying I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here; this is just my interpretation.

So I felt like I'd compile a list of evidence (to me at least) from the new Earth DLC and its trailer. You could boil it down to reused assets if you want but "nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise". Here it goes.

Let's start with the DLC itself, not the trailer

Grasping at straws emergency induction ports: When I looked at the map order and realized that they are not in alphabetical order I was curious to know why there were in the order they are in (Rio, Vancouver, London). Then I realized what it spells when I used the first letter of each in order: RVL = Reveal. Posted Image

Not grasping at straws emergency induction ports: Voices. So I am fairly sure the Shadow infiltrator is voiced by engineer Daniels. You can really tell with certain lines. Weird right?

Next, the new VI drone in the escort mission is, as far as I can tell, voiced by engineer Adams in a pitched up Salarian voice. Remember he voiced Padok Wiks in a higher voice. I can't tell who voices the Destroyer or Paladin but I don't recognize them. If it was engineer Donnelly putting on a North American accent I think that would really be interesting. Why? IMO this points to post ending DLC involving the GX12-Chekhov's-gun. Maybe the Normandy is fighting in space and if you don't have the GX12 the three engies get vapourised! Posted ImageIt's a big "if" but I don't care.

The warning sign in Firebase Vancouver. You see it immediately after exiting the enormous ladder that it also a vent. Not just any warning sign either. The one used in SP Vancouver with the kid. The one (no longer) specific to that scene. Note it says "Warning: Code 89" on it. A Code 89 means a crime against nature = a reaper.

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this:
- The map has Geth fighters on it; in effect it seems to be a fighter base.
- The map was released very soon after the base game; it would have already fully/partially existed.
- The map fits fairly well with the current mission. If you didn't notice on the map itself, there are Geth virtual reality pods in its control room, near an unused tram system.
- As you can see from the following vid at starting at about 1:40, the scene cuts quite abruptly from Shepard walking with his squad at the beginning of the mission (like always happens in missions right before taking control of Shepard) to the squad being inside. Shepard then pops out a heat sink. Why would you need to do that if you haven't fought anyone yet?
- There is no actual combat in this mission. I think the MP map area would have been it, but was cut most likely to either shorten the mission or, more likely, so as not to break the non-reality aspect of the mission.
Geth consensus mission:
So my point here is to simply emphasize that all MP maps, even Hydra, are based of SP locations. IMO this is clear evidence that points to a post ending DLC, seeing as they only way I can think of Rio being in SP is IT.

Rio: The map itself is quite interesting and unique, as it features a large as-of-yet unknown facility in the ocean. The whole area is heavily defended, and has the look of something quite important (some sort of research facility?) Close to the landing pad the N7 operatives land on, there is a gate (already open in MP) that says "Restricted Access" or something to that effect. This is the direction you would travel in the Rio SP mission. Following that path you will soon end up at the control-center looking thing in the middle of the map. This sparked my attention, and I immediately started looking for a ladder. Sure enough, go inside this and look up. There is a trap door in the ceiling. Looks like the ladder going through the trap door was cut in MP for obvious reasons. So the objective thus far would be to get inside the control center and activate the AA guns/drain the water/open the facility somehow. Not sure exactly how the mission would go after that, but whether this is an N7 facility or not, it is impressive that it has been this well defended up until the fleets' arrival. This would also most likely answer the question of how we would defeat the reapers if IT is true. Perhaps there is some sort of weapon there? Speculation for everyone.

Earth MP trailer:
Aside from being quite epic, the trailer is very interesting IMO. For starters, this trailer confirms the MP timeline. The fleets are just about to arrive. This fits with the IT reveal possibly fitting within the MP timeline. Anyway, at 0:23, it looks like instead of Shepard, Anderson, and the squad, they replaced their models with the MP characters. This on its own means nothing; it is reusing assets. What is interesting is at 0:27-0:30 and at 0:38 especially it also looks like reused assets. But from where? There is no Rio SP mission. (Or is there?Posted Image) Let's look into 0:38-0:43 more closely. Assuming this is SP with the models replaced with MP characters, it would most likely be Shepard (judging from the looking-around animation and the camera emphasis on the destroyer-soldier, I would assume this is the replacement for Shepard's model), 2 squadmates and Anderson(?) having already dealt with Coats in London.Posted ImageFurther evidence for this is the lack of Cobras on their backs. IMO the trailer screamed "This isn't over yet!" Anderson's "Until the fleets return" line seemed to me that we have to hold out until "the fleets" arrive, metaphorically. Also, I heard that Anderson's trailer speech is, for the most part, in the EC files. Why they would be there is a mystery to me, as I can't even think of an IT reason for it. If you can, please post it.

So yeah, there you go. Some things to think about! Posted Image

That was my post, but I've thought of a couple of other things since then. Like the facility building a mass relay, and what we were just talking about with code 990.

Edit: Fixed the top.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 12 août 2012 - 10:26 .


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Um not to be um interupting why you don't like Estebanus, or what ever you don't like, but let's not go into this. Look I get why Coolio is saying this Estebanus because you talk about anime, other games, and pie on this thread. But Coolio Estebanus is just is being himself. So come it down the both of you.

The most important part Posted Image

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Yep, called it. lol

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masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

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CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Watching the closing ceremony to the greatest Olympics of all time! So proud to be British.

There a reason you need to tell us this?


There a reason you need to be an arse? People can talk about bloody anime and stuff but because I dare post something because I feel very proud is put of order?


What the hell is your problem? Why so hostile?


Look, you've been having a go at whatever I post for days now. If anyone posts anything off topic you do t point to them and say "why are you saying this?" but then I post because I have an incredible sense of pride and get questioned over it. 

Ive not got a problem at all, it's you that does.

Jade I was supporting Aussie holds much to thr annoyance of my dad but I will forever dislike Mears after elbowing poor Queen Vic in the women'ssprint :P

Feeling a bit followed? I'm not going after you. At least not intentionally. And as far as I know, I'm not the one who called the other an ass.

The difference between your off-topic post and mine is generally because we start out on-topic, then one of us makes a side comment about whatever you will, the other one notes this and decides to discuss further about it, and boom, we've got off-topicness.

You more or less intentionally tried to steer the general discussion off-topic by posting something that was in no way related to anything.

Being patriotic is good and all, but why mention this on a thread that has nothing to do with nationalities?

You may not like me, and that's fine. But how about we just stop this before it escalates?

Modifié par estebanus, 12 août 2012 - 10:34 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He never said 1st so I still can't see any confusion.
10 of 1000 seems still to be at the start imo.

So why an abstract number?


That's my thinking.  The way he phrased it, saying that we've BEGUN delivering the death of a thousand cuts, would seem to imply that this is the first.  I mean, it could be that we delivered 10 both before and now, but it still seems weird.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

hintity-hint-hint. I wonder what'll happen on that date...

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estebanus wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

hintity-hint-hint. I wonder what'll happen on that date...


BioWare will release a costume pack! =]

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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Watching the closing ceremony to the greatest Olympics of all time! So proud to be British.

There a reason you need to tell us this?


There a reason you need to be an arse? People can talk about bloody anime and stuff but because I dare post something because I feel very proud is put of order?


What the hell is your problem? Why so hostile?


Look, you've been having a go at whatever I post for days now. If anyone posts anything off topic you do t point to them and say "why are you saying this?" but then I post because I have an incredible sense of pride and get questioned over it. 

Ive not got a problem at alle, it's you that does.

Jade I was supporting Aussie holds much to thr annoyance of my dad but I will forever dislike Mears after elbowing poor Queen Vic in the women'ssprint :P

Feeling a bit followed? I'm not going after you. At least not intentionally. And as far as I know, I'm not the one who called the other an ass.

The difference between your off-topic post and mine is generally because we start out on-topic, then one of us makes a side comment about whatever you will, the other one notes this and decides to discuss further about it, and boom, we've got off-topicness.

You more or less intentionally tried to steer the general discussion off-topic by posting something that was in no way related to anything.

Being patriotic is good and all, but why mention this on a thread that has nothing to do with nationalities?


Then why post? It was only going to get a negative reaction considering the antagonistic nature of the question. 

Thats n what I said. Whenever people post off topic out of the blue you don't jump on it like you have done here. I called you an arse for the negative and rude nature of your post.

Get over it. I didn't call you an idiot, I called people who HATE IT idiots FFs.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

hintity-hint-hint. I wonder what'll happen on that date...


BioWare will release a costume pack! =]

Yay! Hopefully I can have a Santa Claus armor set!

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Why all the anger? :crying:

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Also, Estebanus, I had nothing against you until you started having a go at me.

I posted it because I felt proud.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Then why post? It was only going to get a negative reaction considering the antagonistic nature of the question. 

Thats n what I said. Whenever people post off topic out of the blue you don't jump on it like you have done here. I called you an arse for the negative and rude nature of your post.

Get over it. I didn't call you an idiot, I called people who HATE IT idiots FFs.

What? Are you talking about that thing a few days ago? I never thought you called me an idiot.

Modifié par estebanus, 12 août 2012 - 10:39 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He never said 1st so I still can't see any confusion.
10 of 1000 seems still to be at the start imo.

So why an abstract number?

Why abstract? It was the 10th operation that was successful.

Success:
Goliath
Fortress
Raptor
Beachhead
Resurgence
Exorcist
Shieldwall
Mastiff
Savage
Overwatch

Fail:
Silencer
Broadside

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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

hintity-hint-hint. I wonder what'll happen on that date...


BioWare will release a costume pack! =]

Yay! Hopefully I can have a Santa Claus armor set!


If you get a Santa Claus armor set, then I want an Easter Bunny armor set!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He never said 1st so I still can't see any confusion.
10 of 1000 seems still to be at the start imo.

So why an abstract number?

Why abstract? It was the 10th operation that was successful.

Success:
Goliath
Fortress
Raptor
Beachhead
Resurgence
Exorcist
Shieldwall
Mastiff
Savage
Overwatch

Fail:
Silencer
Broadside


I know you're right about that, it's just that the way Hackett phrased it seemed to suggest that this was the beginning, not part of something that had been going on for a long time.

Modifié par Dwailing, 12 août 2012 - 10:42 .


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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BioWare will release a costume pack! =]

Yay! Hopefully I can have a Santa Claus armor set!


Posted Image

Mr. Sparkles is already all sparkly about what he might be getting...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 août 2012 - 10:43 .


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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Boss when is the anniversary again for ME1.

November 20, 2007, which makes the 5-year anniversary this Tuesday, November 20th. :wizard:

hintity-hint-hint. I wonder what'll happen on that date...


BioWare will release a costume pack! =]

Yay! Hopefully I can have a Santa Claus armor set!


If you get a Santa Claus armor set, then I want an Easter Bunny armor set!

Don't forget the Saint Valentine's armor and weapons pack! It adds the bow of love and the Lover's armor!