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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TJBartlemus wrote...

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any1 want to play MP? Sick of playing with Randos...


What console do you play on? Thinking of connecting Xbox to internet (at least trying to) and see if it will allow me to play MP.


Yes, xbox

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Jadebaby....I'll be on xbox bout an hour......spotlessvoid

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I think the reason the London map doesn't have the beam is because the Citadel isn't at earth yet so there can't be a beam. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

any1 want to play MP? Sick of playing with Randos...


What console do you play on? Thinking of connecting Xbox to internet (at least trying to) and see if it will allow me to play MP.


Yes, xbox


Well unfortunately I am not able to connect my xbox. It requires a wireless network adapter and I don't have one right now. <_
So yeah. Started new playthrough and I have seen the stealth fix BioWare did that Hellish pointed out. At first it showed like it did before EC and a sec later it corrected itself. Super strange. :blink:

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I think the reason the London map doesn't have the beam is because the Citadel isn't at earth yet so there can't be a beam. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Correct.

OT: Still coming down from the intensity of that Breaking Bad episode. Love that show.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I think the reason the London map doesn't have the beam is because the Citadel isn't at earth yet so there can't be a beam. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


Of course, you're right! But, as you wrote, it's not there yet. So once we get there in MP (and we will, as the current Operation's description indicates) it can very much be there:
In the SP part we could see the beam from everywhere. It also created the same pale-blue glow the moon is doing on the London map. So the possibility is there (in due time).

The counter-argument is: the moon is there for the glow, which in return is to have a proper lightening for the only map set at night. But then, why make it so low-res? I get that they decided to make it an object instead of adding it as part of the background bitmap, but then, did they keep it low-res because they didn't want to make an extra one for PC with higher res settings? (I assume for console players the moon isn't low-res).
Another counter-argument would be: the made the moon for the glow to resemble it more to the London we're used to from SP, where it had a glow. But because we don't have a beam, they put in the moon.

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Grasping at straws emergency induction ports: When I looked at the map order and realized that they are not in alphabetical order I was curious to know why there were in the order they are in (Rio, Vancouver, London). Then I realized what it spells when I used the first letter of each in order: RVL = Reveal. Posted Image

Not grasping at straws emergency induction ports: Voices. So I am fairly sure the Shadow infiltrator is voiced by engineer Daniels. You can really tell with certain lines. Weird right?

Next, the new VI drone in the escort mission is, as far as I can tell, voiced by engineer Adams in a pitched up Salarian voice. Remember he voiced Padok Wiks in a higher voice. I can't tell who voices the Destroyer or Paladin but I don't recognize them. If it was engineer Donnelly putting on a North American accent I think that would really be interesting. Why? IMO this points to post ending DLC involving the GX12-Chekhov's-gun. Maybe the Normandy is fighting in space and if you don't have the GX12 the three engies get vapourised! Posted ImageIt's a big "if" but I don't care.

The warning sign in Firebase Vancouver. You see it immediately after exiting the enormous ladder that it also a vent. Not just any warning sign either. The one used in SP Vancouver with the kid. The one (no longer) specific to that scene. Note it says "Warning: Code 89" on it. A Code 89 means a crime against nature = a reaper.

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this:
- The map has Geth fighters on it; in effect it seems to be a fighter base.
- The map was released very soon after the base game; it would have already fully/partially existed.
- The map fits fairly well with the current mission. If you didn't notice on the map itself, there are Geth virtual reality pods in its control room, near an unused tram system.
- As you can see from the following vid at starting at about 1:40, the scene cuts quite abruptly from Shepard walking with his squad at the beginning of the mission (like always happens in missions right before taking control of Shepard) to the squad being inside. Shepard then pops out a heat sink. Why would you need to do that if you haven't fought anyone yet?
- There is no actual combat in this mission. I think the MP map area would have been it, but was cut most likely to either shorten the mission or, more likely, so as not to break the non-reality aspect of the mission.
Geth consensus mission:
So my point here is to simply emphasize that all MP maps, even Hydra, are based of SP locations. IMO this is clear evidence that points to a post ending DLC, seeing as they only way I can think of Rio being in SP is IT.

Rio: The map itself is quite interesting and unique, as it features a large as-of-yet unknown facility in the ocean. The whole area is heavily defended, and has the look of something quite important (some sort of research facility?) Close to the landing pad the N7 operatives land on, there is a gate (already open in MP) that says "Restricted Access" or something to that effect. This is the direction you would travel in the Rio SP mission. Following that path you will soon end up at the control-center looking thing in the middle of the map. This sparked my attention, and I immediately started looking for a ladder. Sure enough, go inside this and look up. There is a trap door in the ceiling. Looks like the ladder going through the trap door was cut in MP for obvious reasons. So the objective thus far would be to get inside the control center and activate the AA guns/drain the water/open the facility somehow. Not sure exactly how the mission would go after that, but whether this is an N7 facility or not, it is impressive that it has been this well defended up until the fleets' arrival. This would also most likely answer the question of how we would defeat the reapers if IT is true. Perhaps there is some sort of weapon there? Speculation for everyone.

Earth MP trailer:
Aside from being quite epic, the trailer is very interesting IMO. For starters, this trailer confirms the MP timeline. The fleets are just about to arrive. This fits with the IT reveal possibly fitting within the MP timeline. Anyway, at 0:23, it looks like instead of Shepard, Anderson, and the squad, they replaced their models with the MP characters. This on its own means nothing; it is reusing assets. What is interesting is at 0:27-0:30 and at 0:38 especially it also looks like reused assets. But from where? There is no Rio SP mission. (Or is there?Posted Image) Let's look into 0:38-0:43 more closely. Assuming this is SP with the models replaced with MP characters, it would most likely be Shepard (judging from the looking-around animation and the camera emphasis on the destroyer-soldier, I would assume this is the replacement for Shepard's model), 2 squadmates and Anderson(?) having already dealt with Coats in London.Posted ImageFurther evidence for this is the lack of Cobras on their backs. IMO the trailer screamed "This isn't over yet!" Anderson's "Until the fleets return" line seemed to me that we have to hold out until "the fleets" arrive, metaphorically. Also, I heard that Anderson's trailer speech is, for the most part, in the EC files. Why they would be there is a mystery to me, as I can't even think of an IT reason for it. If you can, please post it.

So yeah, there you go. Some things to think about! Posted Image

That was my post, but I've thought of a couple of other things since then. Like the facility building a mass relay, and what we were just talking about with code 990.

Edit: Fixed the top.


Rio firebase has a very simple explanation: N7 training facilites are located in Rio de Janeiro, so it's nothing special about it....except for the "restricted area" within the N7 training facilities (which could be a facade for something bigger). 

For the rest of your post....this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6i3m8Cfb4 

Those are VERY interesting facts(?) you got there.  If Gamble said that IT is still a valid interpretation, well... let's not get into conclussions too early, but there's definetly more to come... and not necesarily pre-ending stuff, I think.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/234786279370416130
"No one spoil the Closing Ceremony ok? I have a feeling the twist ending is that the Olympics are still open for 2 years"

The speculations/trolling is strong with this one...


Pardon the caps but..

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!


Unfortunately I didn't follow the Olympics well enough to know where he might've gotten that from...if that really is what he was thinking. :lol:


2 years sounds a bit like when ME4 would be out...

For the love of...

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Hey has anyone ever wondered, on how the hell are we Organics, going to repare the Citadel, and Relays, if we don't have that many ships left. Think about it. Shepard gathered fleets of ship, yet at the end we see only Truian,Alliance, and Asira ships, no quiarien ships at all. So did the whole quarien fleet die, and I guess nobody ever thought that why the hell did the fleets pull back.

Hackett never told Shepard, that " Oh hey Shepard we are going to leave everyone one on Earth, with no supplys at all.

Also in Destroy everything makes less sense, since one we have to build the relays by hand/ what ever they have left.

Two it's not going to take one or two days to rebuild the relays/ the Citadel.

Three I know we are seeing the future, but it's impossible to even fix the relays so quickly, and they will still starve.

Think about it. In ME1, we saw our Reaper buddy all over the Citadel, and look at the damage. It took nearly THREE years to just fix a small area in the Citadel. Imagen the Relays. The whole bottem is gone. The rings are gone, and you know how much Element Zero they need to jump start the relays.

Also you have to consider that they first have to repair their ships, and find what ever they can to survive.

Almost all off the Leaders of each race went to go fight at Earth. And how do you expecte to have the Normandy just go find Shepard.

They can't leave until the Normandy is repaired, and the Mass relay in the system they are in is repaired, and hey I see non of the fleets down there on the planet the Normandy is on.

Also there are relays that need other relays, in order to get to another system. Even prime relays need a nother relays to work.

Prime relays can go were ever they want, but 2nd relays have buddy links.

So it's either

Bad writing, or IT take your pick I choose IT, and enof said.

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TSA, if we have to wait that long most of the fans will be gone. I will stay, but will be playing the new games, and getting ready to leave High school, by that time.

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@MB - FTL speed is a potential substitute for the relays temporarily. It would only take a couple months to get to another system. It would be like a couple hundred years ago where ships took months to get to places. So the concept is sound. FTL would take place of the relays until they were repaired.

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masster blaster wrote...

Hey has anyone ever wondered, on how the hell are we Organics, going to repare the Citadel, and Relays, if we don't have that many ships left. Think about it. Shepard gathered fleets of ship, yet at the end we see only Truian,Alliance, and Asira ships, no quiarien ships at all. So did the whole quarien fleet die, and I guess nobody ever thought that why the hell did the fleets pull back.

Hackett never told Shepard, that " Oh hey Shepard we are going to leave everyone one on Earth, with no supplys at all.

Also in Destroy everything makes less sense, since one we have to build the relays by hand/ what ever they have left.

Two it's not going to take one or two days to rebuild the relays/ the Citadel.

Three I know we are seeing the future, but it's impossible to even fix the relays so quickly, and they will still starve.

Think about it. In ME1, we saw our Reaper buddy all over the Citadel, and look at the damage. It took nearly THREE years to just fix a small area in the Citadel. Imagen the Relays. The whole bottem is gone. The rings are gone, and you know how much Element Zero they need to jump start the relays.

Also you have to consider that they first have to repair their ships, and find what ever they can to survive.

Almost all off the Leaders of each race went to go fight at Earth. And how do you expecte to have the Normandy just go find Shepard.

They can't leave until the Normandy is repaired, and the Mass relay in the system they are in is repaired, and hey I see non of the fleets down there on the planet the Normandy is on.

Also there are relays that need other relays, in order to get to another system. Even prime relays need a nother relays to work.

Prime relays can go were ever they want, but 2nd relays have buddy links.

So it's either

Bad writing, or IT take your pick I choose IT, and enof said.


Actually considering the EC clearly show the Normandy jumping into FTL that planet they are on must be within easy FTL jumping distance of Earth...why havent we heard of what looks to be a easily habitable planet within easy travel distance of Earth?

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Yes TJ, but your missing the point. If that's the case we don't need the relays, but the galaxys resourses have been used to build the Crucilbe, and even with FTL, they need to repair the ships, find survivors, and find things to eat. The supplys can only last for so long, and still they need fuel for their ships, for veichales, and they need to do a lot of things that they can never do in our squad mates life time. Not even Liaras.

Most of the Leaders can be dead.

Prime arc Victous could be dead. Some of our squad memebers could be dead, and you can't expect the galaxy to just start rebuilding. The Leaders of their races are dead, only a hand full of ships are left.

Most of them are gone at the battel at Earth. And they need to do a lot of stuff that I can't see possible.

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Also we have to consider of the other races too. We only saw a few races rebuild, not the Batarins, Elcor, Hanar/ the Drell, and volus at all. I know they are not the most important, but hey they helped Shepard in the War with the Reapers, and we can't just leave them to die.

Also the brat said that the cycle will begin again, but I don't see that happening at all. You can say it haseb't happened yet, but this was going to be huge thing to change the galaxy, if we restart the cycle again.

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1992. I don't understand why not contact the fleets at all, or how did they now that Anderson was dead. I could see EDI, but Anderson no. Also why is it that Joker is not crying over EDI, if you got him together with EDI. Why are the squad mates acting all clam, and not trying to fix the Normandy and go find Shepard. Hell they are standing there just watching the sun, and a minute ago, they were like no Shepard, but now it's like, " Who is Shepard."

I just can't believe that Joker would leave Shepard, and they know Shepard is on the Citadel, so why not tell Hackett, that Shepard could be dead, if they haven't heard back from Shepard, and want to go in and send a party to go find Shepard.Also didn't Hackett telling everyone to get the hell out of here, remind you of Hackett telling us that He had to run away because the Reapers are masacering them.

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masster blaster wrote...

Yes TJ, but your missing the point. If that's the case we don't need the relays,


Exactly. The relays aren't needed. FTL can support travel until the relays are fixed.

but the galaxys resourses have been used to build the Crucilbe, and even with FTL, they need to repair the ships, find survivors, and find things to eat. The supplys can only last for so long, and still they need fuel for their ships, for veichales, and they need to do a lot of things that they can never do in our squad mates life time. Not even Liaras.


How do you know this is impossible? Sure in low EMS I could see this. In high EMS however most are only slightly damaged. So it wouldn't take to long to fix. Resources...heard of farming? Also since ships would be easy to fix and there are planets nearby (like the one the normandy is on) they could go there and bring back resources.

Most of the Leaders can be dead.


Possible. But not all are. Besides there is something called the chain of command. In the event of the superior officer is dead the next in line takes command.

Prime arc Victous could be dead. Some of our squad memebers could be dead, and you can't expect the galaxy to just start rebuilding. The Leaders of their races are dead, only a hand full of ships are left.

Most of them are gone at the battel at Earth. And they need to do a lot of stuff that I can't see possible.


Remember also that Admiral Hackett is still alive and I would also assume is still field admiral of all the forces until governments are re-established. Also seeing in High EMS as that there is low amount of damage to a lot of things I would imagine it would be pretty easy to fix everything. So it's not as bad as you think. :blush:

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It's currently slow on the WNT thread. While I am gone could people go over to there and start some discussions??

http://social.biowar.../index/13474338

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Also there is no mention to Shepard/ the player that the fleets would leave once the Acrucible is armed. Also I find it funny that the brat can't tell us who designed the Crucible, but can tell us all about how he came to be, how the cycle happened, and some BS story about the Reapers not wanting to fight.

Also when he mentions fire, yes fire is not at war, but it's burning all the chemical to keep it alive, and once it's done eating the chemicals it goes out.

The Reapers. Once they are done harvesting they leave the galaxy to create more food soruces to begin the cycle all over again.

Like when Fire breaks out in a forest it can't be put out, unless you cut it from it's source, or put it out with water. Any ways once everything in the area is turned into ash, the fire leaves. And over time new life starts, until it happens all over again.

The Reapers= fire.

The organics/synthetics=the forest

The harvesting/ making the Reaper=chemicals buring to spread the fire.

Once the cycle is over the Reapers stop the harvest and leave.= Once the fire has no more fuel, it goes out.

New cycle starts=primary succesion.

Then everything starts all over again.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

@MB - FTL speed is a potential substitute for the relays temporarily. It would only take a couple months to get to another system. It would be like a couple hundred years ago where ships took months to get to places. So the concept is sound. FTL would take place of the relays until they were repaired.


FTL can replace mass relays, yes, but the amount of travel required seems quite medieval, no? You know, that travelers would need months to get from one year to the other.

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I found something rather odd with the Catalyst. He is not casting a shadow. When you're talking to TIM and Anderson, they cast shadows, but not the Catalyst.

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Also, that line where Shepard states "The Reapers built the relays, it's all apart of the same trap" is in the game. It is one of the renegade choices, which is not a persuasion option. It's on the bottom right of the "choice wheel" when you're talking to the Illusive Man.

Found something else, that sound you hear in your dreams when the kid is burning. The sound plays during the "ReaperIndoc" effect when TIM walks into the room. It's kind of hard to hear, so you'll need to keep your ears sharp. It's kind of stacked on top of around 3-4 other sounds when he enters the room.This is the sound

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Ohai guise.

Been off the grid, got back from The Dark Knight Rises, and ofmgwtf. Loved is too weak a word to describe this movie for me.

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TJ it's not that simply. There are only a few ships left in the galaxy, and even if all of that is possible, then explain, on why the hell isn't the next cycle starting. We don't see it happen, we can only assume that it does, but is it? I find it hard that Hackett doesn't mention Shepard at all like he was not important.

In Control and synthesis, they were very clear on talking about Shepard, but in Destroy, there is not a shredd of Shepard this, Shepard that. Not a.Oh and in refuse why sin't Liara talking about Shepard. She talks about the Crucilble, and talking about we fought as a united galaxy.

But she forgot to say that Shepard a earthling from this place fought to stop the Reapers. Shepard united the galaxy, and build the Crucible to stop the Reapers. Commander Shepard fought a hard battle, just to let you find this recording. Without Shepard we would never know what it was like to feel inspired to take on the Reapers, even though we know that we could not win in a head on attack.

My only hope is that you follow Shepard's past, but make your own future, and rid the galaxy of the Reapers once and for all.

Even Hackett should have said.

This war was not won by a single race, or by a united galaxy. No it was one by the those who died, and The galaxys greatest hero Shepard. Throught the most darkest hour of our time Commander Shepard of the Alliance N7, gave his/her life to stop the Reapers once and for all. Even when all hope seemed lost Shepard brought us back in the fight. And we will honor those how have sacrificed, and pay our respects to Shepard.

I am saying this because Hackett should not know that Shepard is alive, and if he did, then they should have had the breath scene, before the slide show first.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Ohai guise.

Been off the grid, got back from The Dark Knight Rises, and ofmgwtf. Loved is too weak a word to describe this movie for me.

Hi, Arian. How's it going? The only real thing I've noticed lately is that CoolioThane and I don't get along.

I haven't watched the movie yet. I guess you like it.

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Arian TDKR is just like you saw the birth of the univers, and wanted to rewatch it over and over again. Also do you like my comparing the primary, and secondary cycles to the Reapers and the ME cycle.

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estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ohai guise.

Been off the grid, got back from The Dark Knight Rises, and ofmgwtf. Loved is too weak a word to describe this movie for me.

Hi, Arian. How's it going? The only real thing I've noticed lately is that CoolioThane and I don't get along.

I haven't watched the movie yet. I guess you like it.

It was the best movie ever