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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You mean he doesn't say this when you recover Javik right after the beginning? He only says this if you recover him after Thessia?

Exactly. If you pick him up right after the beginning, he talks about sensing anxiety and distress in you. If you pick him up in the middle of the game (Either after Tuchanka or Rannoch, that is), he will comment on how he senses hope about you. However after Thessia, he will say that what you just heard in the youtube video.


I see. That's interesting. So the anger and loss is not about the vent kid, it's about Kai Leng who pissed Shepard off. The reaper sound is probably a reminder of Thessia being invaded by the reapers.

No, just tried it again because of the text I mentioned in my last post and it was already there (right after Earth). Also it's a generic Reaper sound, though in my opinion it strengthens something is up. There are also similar Reaper noises when Shep "feels" the beacon on Thessia.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 août 2012 - 02:17 .


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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You mean he doesn't say this when you recover Javik right after the beginning? He only says this if you recover him after Thessia?

Exactly. If you pick him up right after the beginning, he talks about sensing anxiety and distress in you. If you pick him up in the middle of the game (Either after Tuchanka or Rannoch, that is), he will comment on how he senses hope about you. However after Thessia, he will say that what you just heard in the youtube video.


I see. That's interesting. So the anger and loss is not about the vent kid, it's about Kai Leng who pissed Shepard off. The reaper sound is probably a reminder of Thessia being invaded by the reapers.

Possibly. But that's not the only thing that gives off reaper sounds on Thessia. You know what else does?

Shepard's mind.

I'm serious. You know when Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, closes his/her eyes, and all else goes dark? At that moment, you can suddenly hear these reaper noises all around you. The exact same noises you hear when talking to Javik.

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estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You mean he doesn't say this when you recover Javik right after the beginning? He only says this if you recover him after Thessia?

Exactly. If you pick him up right after the beginning, he talks about sensing anxiety and distress in you. If you pick him up in the middle of the game (Either after Tuchanka or Rannoch, that is), he will comment on how he senses hope about you. However after Thessia, he will say that what you just heard in the youtube video.


I see. That's interesting. So the anger and loss is not about the vent kid, it's about Kai Leng who pissed Shepard off. The reaper sound is probably a reminder of Thessia being invaded by the reapers.

Possibly. But that's not the only thing that gives off reaper sounds on Thessia. You know what else does?

Shepard's mind.

I'm serious. You know when Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, closes his/her eyes, and all else goes dark? At that moment, you can suddenly hear these reaper noises all around you. The exact same noises you hear when talking to Javik.

Which would mean Shepard is definitely tainted by indoctrination at that point.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You mean he doesn't say this when you recover Javik right after the beginning? He only says this if you recover him after Thessia?

Exactly. If you pick him up right after the beginning, he talks about sensing anxiety and distress in you. If you pick him up in the middle of the game (Either after Tuchanka or Rannoch, that is), he will comment on how he senses hope about you. However after Thessia, he will say that what you just heard in the youtube video.


I see. That's interesting. So the anger and loss is not about the vent kid, it's about Kai Leng who pissed Shepard off. The reaper sound is probably a reminder of Thessia being invaded by the reapers.

Possibly. But that's not the only thing that gives off reaper sounds on Thessia. You know what else does?

Shepard's mind.

I'm serious. You know when Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, closes his/her eyes, and all else goes dark? At that moment, you can suddenly hear these reaper noises all around you. The exact same noises you hear when talking to Javik.

Which would mean Shepard is definitely tainted by indoctrination at that point.

Exactly.

I think I mentioned this back in the first thread, didn't I?

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I swear I never heard that sound during that moment before....


I'm saying the exact same thing.

#9556
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estebanus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You mean he doesn't say this when you recover Javik right after the beginning? He only says this if you recover him after Thessia?

Exactly. If you pick him up right after the beginning, he talks about sensing anxiety and distress in you. If you pick him up in the middle of the game (Either after Tuchanka or Rannoch, that is), he will comment on how he senses hope about you. However after Thessia, he will say that what you just heard in the youtube video.


I see. That's interesting. So the anger and loss is not about the vent kid, it's about Kai Leng who pissed Shepard off. The reaper sound is probably a reminder of Thessia being invaded by the reapers.

Possibly. But that's not the only thing that gives off reaper sounds on Thessia. You know what else does?

Shepard's mind.

I'm serious. You know when Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, closes his/her eyes, and all else goes dark? At that moment, you can suddenly hear these reaper noises all around you. The exact same noises you hear when talking to Javik.

Which would mean Shepard is definitely tainted by indoctrination at that point.

Exactly.

I think I mentioned this back in the first thread, didn't I?

Idk, I just know I now mentioned it in mark 1, 2, and 3 :P

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Genetic Destiny wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I swear I never heard that sound during that moment before....


I'm saying the exact same thing.

I wonder if the EC had some more side effects like the door on Mars that were leading to the surface for some, without touching the files for the levels, I mean it does patch the exe so it's quite possible.
I can't remember it but now with testing it's there. Though it could also be that I just didn't notice it the first ~7 playthroughs :D

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 août 2012 - 02:25 .


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Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak

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As I was recently replaying ME1, I noticed that when Shepard is explaining the vision of the Prothean beacon, you can hear Harbinger in the background very softly, saying "Assuming..."

I wonder if that was originally in ME1, or if they patched that through some kind of update after ME2 came out. Does anyone know?

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TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


Good, good!

You could check the scene with the kid playing with the model ship in the roof garden for infrasound! :P

(Because at that point the Reapers haven't arrived yet. So if that scene has infrasound, it means Shepard is indoctrinated.)

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

As I was recently replaying ME1, I noticed that when Shepard is explaining the vision of the Prothean beacon, you can hear Harbinger in the background very softly, saying "Assuming..."

I wonder if that was originally in ME1, or if they patched that through some kind of update after ME2 came out. Does anyone know?

I know what you mean, posted about the voice some time ago, but it's definitely not assuming. The as(s).. fits but the end of it is completely wrong.
For reference: http://www.youtube.c...hMwU_vk#t=2980s

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


Good, good!

You could check the scene with the kid playing with the model ship in the roof garden for infrasound! :P

(Because at that point the Reapers haven't arrived yet. So if that scene has infrasound, it means Shepard is indoctrinated.)

Later.
Right now I have a slightly busted laptop and a head full of overproof rum.
Not ideal for in-depth audio analysis...

#9563
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No rush, TSA. ;)

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

As
I was recently replaying ME1, I noticed that when Shepard is explaining
the vision of the Prothean beacon, you can hear Harbinger in the
background very softly, saying "Assuming..."

I wonder if that was
originally in ME1, or if they patched that through some kind of update
after ME2 came out. Does anyone know?

I know what you mean,
posted about the voice some time ago, but it's definitely not assuming.
The as(s).. fits but the end of it is completely wrong.
For reference: http://www.youtube.c...hMwU_vk#t=2980s


Thanks. Still sounds the same to me though.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 13 août 2012 - 02:49 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak

...:sick:

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Hrothdane wrote...

Let's see if this works this time -_-

I was playing ME2 again while keeping an eye out for IT-related things. I found some evidence that relates to the whole 1M1 thing.

The crashed geth ship in Overlord (doors added by Cerberus)

A box inside the derelict Reaper (brought by Cerberus)

The Reaper IFF room (presumably constructed by Cerberus)

The Normandy SR-2 (you get the idea)

First thing I noticed is that all of these text and number sequences are reversible and/or inversible. Considering how often assets get reused, I'll attribute that trait to savvy design staff at Bioware. Second thing I noticed is that all of these objects are related to Cerberus. The designs are also aesthetically consistent with the 1M1 assets (which I may note have Cerberus colors).

Furthermore, Cerberus would almost certainly use human contractors and companies to provide materials for such clandestine operations as Overlord, excavating the derelict Reaper, and rebuilding the Normandy. The Illusive Man was able to learn about turian technology via their collaboration on the Normandy SR-1, so he would be cautious about giving other races the same opportunity.

This leads to the question: why does a portion of the Citadel which no one has ever seen before have human-built components? Keepers salvage things all the time to repair the Citadel, but the 1M1 struts are huge, fully-intact, and look completely brand new. Once we take the IT into consideration, we can see these design elements as something incorporated into the hallucination by Shepard's mind.

Obviously, these findings won't revolutionize the IT or convince new people to listen to us, but they do offer some interesting speculation and something else to throw on the mountain of circumstantial evidence.


Interesting, I have suspected for awhile that we haven't heard the last of Cerberus and if the ending didn't actually happen then TIM is probably still around, scheming or something. There's also that rumour that Wong stumbled across regarding Cerberus in London prior to the invasion of which I still can't find in the codex but know I've read it some where. And there are all those weird signs that point to Coates not being who he says he is... maybe he's a Cerberus agent.

Or (and this is the pessimism speaking) these are all left overs from the previous incarnation of the ending before it was drastically altered (that is, the one referred to in the artbook and the Last Hours app regarding a final showdown with TIM on a Cerberus base). For that matter, a lot of clues we've found may be remnants of a dropped plot device. Would like to be wrong about that, they wouldn't be that sloppy, right?

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estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak

...:sick:

I was wondering how long it would take...

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I try, and I try, but no matter what, I'm just not succeeding in uploading a custom profile picture.

I did everything the tutorial says, it's just not working. =\\

Any tips?

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TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


YAY FINALLY!! Hope you did well!!!

Edit: Haha! Nice try Tsa you know that wouldnt work for me atleast :P only got intrested wen i sawsome one elses post!

Modifié par Rosewind, 13 août 2012 - 03:17 .


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I should probably go. I got some brain bleach to use.

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TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


Where can I meet her? She seems my type.

#9571
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TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


Congrats!

I missed that..uh...leak. :sick:

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Humakt83 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Last exam done. I can do... whatever I want... whatever.... whatever I want...
BAHAHAHAHAHA

Also I'm TSA_383, and this is page 383, so I'm taking juristiction and posting this:

http://tinyurl.com/me3leviathanleak


Where can I meet her? She seems my type.


I know attractive right lol.

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leonia42 wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Let's see if this works this time -_-

I was playing ME2 again while keeping an eye out for IT-related things. I found some evidence that relates to the whole 1M1 thing.

The crashed geth ship in Overlord (doors added by Cerberus)

A box inside the derelict Reaper (brought by Cerberus)

The Reaper IFF room (presumably constructed by Cerberus)

The Normandy SR-2 (you get the idea)

First thing I noticed is that all of these text and number sequences are reversible and/or inversible. Considering how often assets get reused, I'll attribute that trait to savvy design staff at Bioware. Second thing I noticed is that all of these objects are related to Cerberus. The designs are also aesthetically consistent with the 1M1 assets (which I may note have Cerberus colors).

Furthermore, Cerberus would almost certainly use human contractors and companies to provide materials for such clandestine operations as Overlord, excavating the derelict Reaper, and rebuilding the Normandy. The Illusive Man was able to learn about turian technology via their collaboration on the Normandy SR-1, so he would be cautious about giving other races the same opportunity.

This leads to the question: why does a portion of the Citadel which no one has ever seen before have human-built components? Keepers salvage things all the time to repair the Citadel, but the 1M1 struts are huge, fully-intact, and look completely brand new. Once we take the IT into consideration, we can see these design elements as something incorporated into the hallucination by Shepard's mind.

Obviously, these findings won't revolutionize the IT or convince new people to listen to us, but they do offer some interesting speculation and something else to throw on the mountain of circumstantial evidence.


Interesting, I have suspected for awhile that we haven't heard the last of Cerberus and if the ending didn't actually happen then TIM is probably still around, scheming or something. There's also that rumour that Wong stumbled across regarding Cerberus in London prior to the invasion of which I still can't find in the codex but know I've read it some where. And there are all those weird signs that point to Coates not being who he says he is... maybe he's a Cerberus agent.

Or (and this is the pessimism speaking) these are all left overs from the previous incarnation of the ending before it was drastically altered (that is, the one referred to in the artbook and the Last Hours app regarding a final showdown with TIM on a Cerberus base). For that matter, a lot of clues we've found may be remnants of a dropped plot device. Would like to be wrong about that, they wouldn't be that sloppy, right?

This is one of the screenshots that sadly disagrees with the last assessment.
This one too.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 août 2012 - 03:38 .


#9574
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Disagrees with what assessment?

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CoolioThane wrote...

Disagrees with what assessment?

That BW wouldn't be that sloppy. There are quite a few hints that point to not enough time.