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[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FFzero, whay about Thessia, I thought that there was Concrete on Thessia too. I guess not. But my point exactly no way Shepard can be on the Ctiadel. And if Shepard is how the hell is anyone going to find Shepard.

Nobody knows where Shepard is at, and if they don't Shepard will die of blood lose, and decay over time. Also I don't think anyone would bother to look where Shepard is at because if no Organic has ever been to the Catalyst chambers, well excepte Shepard. Why would anyone look there.

If nobody in this cycle ever found that place, and that goes for the past hundred or so cycles, then I doubt that they would find Shepard at all.

So it's either bad writing, or IT.

I pick IT.

I pick the former!

Too much convenient bad writing in convenient places for me to ever believe there wasn't anything bigger happening. Whether they release any IT DLC or not is irrelevant to that.

Edit: I'm on top yet again

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 13 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Pokemon is an awesome franchise. That is all.

I kinda wish they'd stop adding new pokemon though.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it would have been very interesting if it took the form of Shepard. Like very interesting. Much more convincing too, as it would not have to be in Shepard's head to know how she looks or sounds. Anyone know if you can replace the kid's model with Shepard?

That'd make it look like Contact too much, also people who knew the movie would've remembered that people doubted whether she really made it to a different world, and would've derived that the same might be possible here.

A strange kid is a more devious move.

That's true; the kid is more devious. Maybe that would have made it too obvious.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FFzero, whay about Thessia, I thought that there was Concrete on Thessia too. I guess not. But my point exactly no way Shepard can be on the Ctiadel. And if Shepard is how the hell is anyone going to find Shepard.

Nobody knows where Shepard is at, and if they don't Shepard will die of blood lose, and decay over time. Also I don't think anyone would bother to look where Shepard is at because if no Organic has ever been to the Catalyst chambers, well excepte Shepard. Why would anyone look there.

If nobody in this cycle ever found that place, and that goes for the past hundred or so cycles, then I doubt that they would find Shepard at all.

So it's either bad writing, or IT.

I pick IT.

I pick the former!

Too much convenient bad writing in convenient places for me to ever believe there wasn't anything bigger happening. Whether they release any IT DLC or not is irrelevant to that.

Edit: I'm on top yet again

Oh, I'm pretty sure a lot of it was left intentionally, I just don't think most of it was anymore.

[plfranke]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Pokemon is an awesome franchise. That is all.

I kinda wish they'd stop adding new pokemon though.

at the point when you can no longer have a song naming all the pokemon you've gone too far

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it would have been very interesting if it took the form of Shepard. Like very interesting. Much more convincing too, as it would not have to be in Shepard's head to know how she looks or sounds. Anyone know if you can replace the kid's model with Shepard?

I think it would be more fitting as the dead VS. That's the first real friend we see Shepard lose throughout the entire series, after all.

That would be interesting, but the manipulation and mind reading would be so obvious at that point I doubt they would have tricked many people. It would have directly reminded people of that squadmate's character and attitude, which would be destroy. That's why it's so important that Shepard has no squadmates with her in the end. They would remind Shepard of what they're fighting for.

Edit: I'll repost something Hrothdane wrote about that.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 13 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it would have been very interesting if it took the form of Shepard. Like very interesting. Much more convincing too, as it would not have to be in Shepard's head to know how she looks or sounds. Anyone know if you can replace the kid's model with Shepard?

I think it would be more fitting as the dead VS. That's the first real friend we see Shepard lose throughout the entire series, after all.

That would be interesting, but the manipulation and mind reading would be so obvious at that point I doubt they would have tricked many people. It would have directly reminded people of that squadmate's character and attitude, which would be destroy. That's why it's so important that Shepard has no squadmates with her in the end. They would remind Shepard of what they're fighting for.

The game overestimates how much my Shepard cared for Kaidan.

Thinking about him after Tuchanka was totally out of character for her.

Then again, thinking about Kaidan at all, even when he was alive, was totally out of character for her...

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
That's true; the kid is more devious. Maybe that would have made it too obvious.

A kid is the perfect indoctrination tool for the general lifeform that reproduces. It's in the genes to protect them, so the chances of hitting the right note are higher.
If it were someone Shep lost, it would be more obvious that something might be worng. If it were Shep's BFF or LI it would be a giveaway, too, since players would have different Catalysts, and indoctrination is kept very carefully in the background throughout ME3. Wouldn't want the player or people get too suspicious.

Also, I wonder how BW pulled it off that players are able to shoot a ghostly representation of a kid in the head to achieve something, without getting problems with the censors.

edit: partially 'd

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 août 2012 - 06:49 .

[masster blaster]

Not Javik Banshee. He would either give Shepard two options.

CHOOSE DESTROY, OR i will kill you Commander.

That goes for Ash, or Kadin, and Liara would say Shepard please pick Destroy.

Or if EDI, and if Legion didn't die, and he was a party memeber again. Then if they were with you in the Catalyst chambers, then they would say kill the Reapers Shepard.

Edi will say goodbye to everyone, and Legion would say. " The Geth and I say dam the Reapers to hell.

I would like to see the Catalyst face, if EDI, and Legion/the geth, said go for Destroy.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Not Javik Banshee. He would either give Shepard two options.

CHOOSE DESTROY, OR i will kill you Commander.

That goes for Ash, or Kadin, and Liara would say Shepard please pick Destroy.

Or if EDI, and if Legion didn't die, and he was a party memeber again. Then if they were with you in the Catalyst chambers, then they would say kill the Reapers Shepard.

Edi will say goodbye to everyone, and Legion would say. " The Geth and I say dam the Reapers to hell.

I would like to see the Catalyst face, if EDI, and Legion/the geth, said go for Destroy.

ME2 Legion would have said Destroy. Not so sure about ME3 Legion.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

The game overestimates how much my Shepard cared for Kaidan.

Thinking about him after Tuchanka was totally out of character for her.

Then again, thinking about Kaidan at all, even when he was alive, was totally out of character for her...

That depends on your Shepard. As for the bolded part, yeah that kind of annoyed me, but you can pick the other option so it doesn't matter.

As for the unbolded part, liking characters is only up to the player. I like Kaidan actually, probably because out of all the characters in ME besides Shepard, he reminds me the most of me. Are you saying you hate me Byne?

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

ME2 Legion would have said Destroy. Not so sure about ME3 Legion.

ME3 Legion never even hesitated to make the ultimate sacrifice. No doubt for me there.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

The game overestimates how much my Shepard cared for Kaidan.

Thinking about him after Tuchanka was totally out of character for her.

Then again, thinking about Kaidan at all, even when he was alive, was totally out of character for her...

That depends on your Shepard. As for the bolded part, yeah that kind of annoyed me, but you can pick the other option so it doesn't matter.

As for the unbolded part, liking characters is only up to the player. I like Kaidan actually, probably because out of all the characters in ME besides Shepard, he reminds me the most of me. Are you saying you hate me Byne?

No, I dont even hate Kaidan. He's just extremely boring. You're not boring as far as I can tell.

[masster blaster]

Nah Legion would be like. Shepard what this Catalyst says is BS. There is an off switch over by the Destroy option, that turns off the Reapers.

Catalyst turns into a Reaper. Dam you Legion, I should have killed you when I had the chance when you were under my control.

Legion. " go tl hell old machiens." Legion put's a round into the Reaper, and it dies.

Shepard turn off the Reapers.

Game over.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

ME2 Legion would have said Destroy. Not so sure about ME3 Legion.

ME3 Legion never even hesitated to make the ultimate sacrifice. No doubt for me there.

ME3 Legion had the choice of letting the geth get wiped out or installing Reaper code into all the geth.

He chose to use Reaper tech.

Thats why I'm not so sure about him.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

The game overestimates how much my Shepard cared for Kaidan.

Thinking about him after Tuchanka was totally out of character for her.

Then again, thinking about Kaidan at all, even when he was alive, was totally out of character for her...

That depends on your Shepard. As for the bolded part, yeah that kind of annoyed me, but you can pick the other option so it doesn't matter.

As for the unbolded part, liking characters is only up to the player. I like Kaidan actually, probably because out of all the characters in ME besides Shepard, he reminds me the most of me. Are you saying you hate me Byne?

No, I dont even hate Kaidan. He's just extremely boring. You're not boring as far as I can tell.

Ha thanks.

[J the Speculator]

Long have I lurked the IT in the shadows..... No longer!

[byne]

J the Speculator wrote...

Long have I lurked the IT in the shadows..... No longer!

Welcome to the thread!

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ME3 Legion never even hesitated to make the ultimate sacrifice. No doubt for me there.

ME3 Legion had the choice of letting the geth get wiped out or installing Reaper code into all the geth.

He chose to use Reaper tech.

Thats why I'm not so sure about him.

I think the endgame situation is much different. Legion is Geth, so there isn't really a moral issue with forcing the upgrades on them because it isn't really forced. The endgame situation is forcing it on everyone, and I doubt Legion would trust the catalyst. He is rather intelligent, and would point out the many flaws in the kid's reasoning. There are more reasons than that.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

J the Speculator wrote...

Long have I lurked the IT in the shadows..... No longer!

Welcome to the thread!

Seconded. Hello!

[BansheeOwnage]

Something Liara said near the end of
ME3 caught my attention in how it relates to a major theme I noticed
throughout the series:

"When you work alone, it becomes
easy to think you have all the answers."

Think about it.
The primary non-Reaper villains--Saren and TIM--were loners when the
fell to indoctrination. They may have had followers, but they lacked
true companions to question them. The fact that each had close family
(Saren) and companions (Jack Harper) that are lost around the time
their trip towards villainy begins seems especially telling. Notice
how Shepard can help both of them break free of indoctrination--even
for a moment--just by talking to them for a few minutes and showing
concern for them. Their decisions and actions become more and more
extreme because they don't have to justify them to anyone else and as
soon as they do, their resolve wavers.

We even get examples
of people that end up the opposite. Jack only reaches some
semblance of emotional health once she opens up to other people.
Mordin argues quite well for the Genophage's necessity, but he feels
incredibly conflicted about it inside. Even if Shepard agrees with
him, spending all that time discussing it with someone else gives him
a new perspective that causes him to completely reevaluate his
previous work. In fact, you can consider just about every person that
improves themself via Shepard's influence as an example of how
personal connections improve us.



Shepard's strong personal connections
might have even been what kept him/her from being indoctrinated
sooner. Shiala all but explicitly states that she and the other Zhu's
Hope colonists can resist indoctrination because of the mental link
left behind by the Thorian. The Heretic Geth left the consensus and
the Reaper upgrades in ME3 make each platform a true AI instead
of a collective intelligence, perhaps to make them easier to control.


The fact that the researchers on the derelict reaper started
sharing memories as they became indoctrinated seems to contradict
this interpretation, but really it serves to make the argument more
sophisticated. The scientists were not only sharing memories, but
they were forgetting whose they belonged to in the first place! If
they lack individuality, they cannot question decisions or compare
with others. They are of one mind, not many. Even the geth consensus
contains a variety of opinions, as shown by Legion many times. The
researchers on the derelict reaper exist to show that abandoning all
sense of self can be just as damaging as focusing entirely on the
self.

Now, I'm sure you guys wonder what this has to do with
IT. I think the Reapers are trying to isolate Shepard during the
ending sequence. Once the Catalyst shows up, you can't talk to
anyone. None of your friends or lovers can ground you in any way.
This is also why the Reaper Consciousness appears as the boy instead
of a close friend or love interest; the latter two would make Shepard
consider what that person would do as well. The little boy is just an
emotional symbol that appeals to Shepard's guilt, not a
fully-realized person that he/she can connect with on an intellectual
level. Start thinking about what the other party members would say if
they were with Shepard when he/she met the Catalyst. EDI would
cut apart his logic and might even tell Shepard she is fine
sacrificing herself for Destroy, Tali would say peaceful resolution
of the Geth/Quarian conflict proves the Catalyst wrong, Garrus would
see the Reaper Consciousness as another criminal trying to talk his
way out of justice, Javik would throw the kid out the airlock,
Liara's scientific curiosity would make her push the Catalyst for
more information before making a choice and might bring up the
ethical issues of synthesis, Ashley and Kaidan have serious trust
issues, and James would hold the airlock open while Javik figures out
how to pick up an energy being.
- Hrothdane

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ME3 Legion never even hesitated to make the ultimate sacrifice. No doubt for me there.

ME3 Legion had the choice of letting the geth get wiped out or installing Reaper code into all the geth.

He chose to use Reaper tech.

Thats why I'm not so sure about him.

I think the endgame situation is much different. Legion is Geth, so there isn't really a moral issue with forcing the upgrades on them because it isn't really forced. The endgame situation is forcing it on everyone, and I doubt Legion would trust the catalyst. He is rather intelligent, and would point out the many flaws in the kid's reasoning. There are more reasons than that.

Its not about forcing it, its about the fact that ME2 Legion said the majority of the Geth didnt follow Sovereign because they didnt want to just accept the Reapers' solution, they wanted to find their own way.

In ME3, Legion accepts the Reaper code instead of having the geth find their own way to sentience.

[masster blaster]

Okay former lurker welcome to the community. If you know other lurkers. Please tell them to come out of the shadows and help out IT more, than just praying foe the best, for IT.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

J the Speculator wrote...

Long have I lurked the IT in the shadows..... No longer!

Welcome to the thread!

Seconded. Hello!

Thirded. Benvenuto!

[J the Speculator]

Thanks for the welcome! So are any of you guys looking foreward to Clevernoob's EC IT documentary?