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[byne]

byne wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed.

After this of course.

Modifié par byne, 14 août 2012 - 08:26 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

magnetite wrote...

Reaper laser information

Very interesting.

So if this thing can bury something like a missile silo underground, that's kind of what we see Shepard at the end. He's buried underneath concrete by the looks of it.

Pretty sure Harbinger isn't using his main gain against Hammer force, I think that's the one on the underbelly of the Reaper, where the claws branch out from, there's a scene where one's firing in the Fleet battle over Earth. Still, the two "mini" Reaper guns Harbinger seems to use should still be more than enough to firepower to devastate just about anything space-worthy. And ground vehicles. And soldiers. And Shepard.

[Leonia]

While TSA's analysis might be interesting to some, it's nothing we haven't heard before. I was hoping for more on the events going on in reality while Shepard is knocked out.

magnetite wrote...

Reaper laser information

Very interesting.

Soif this thing can bury something like a missile silo underground, that's kind of what we see Shepard at the end. He's buried underneath concrete by the looks of it.

Speaking of silos.. what is that thing in Firebase Rio? At first it looks like some sort of dam or power station but if you look down to one side there's some sort of huge complex going deep down into the water and presumably underground. It's huge. What the hell is it? Definitely more than just an N7 training facility. It's heavily defended, whatever it is. 

Modifié par leonia42, 14 août 2012 - 08:40 .

[MegumiAzusa]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Reaper laser information

Very interesting.

So if this thing can bury something like a missile silo underground, that's kind of what we see Shepard at the end. He's buried underneath concrete by the looks of it.

Pretty sure Harbinger isn't using his main gain against Hammer force, I think that's the one on the underbelly of the Reaper, where the claws branch out from, there's a scene where one's firing in the Fleet battle over Earth. Still, the two "mini" Reaper guns Harbinger seems to use should still be more than enough to firepower to devastate just about anything space-worthy. And ground vehicles. And soldiers. And Shepard.

True, and in the End01_Sword_Good movie you see a Reaper blasting away a Dreadnought with just the side lasers, and on Earth the Dreadnaught is just blasted by them.

[MegumiAzusa]

leonia42 wrote...

While TSA's analysis might be interesting to some, it's nothing we haven't heard before. I was hoping for more on the events going on in reality while Shepard is knocked out.

magnetite wrote...

Reaper laser information

Very interesting.

Soif this thing can bury something like a missile silo underground, that's kind of what we see Shepard at the end. He's buried underneath concrete by the looks of it.

Speaking of silos.. what is that thing in Firebase Rio? At first it looks like some sort of dam or power station but if you look down to one side there's some sort of huge complex going deep down into the water and presumably underground. It's huge. What the hell is it? Definitely more than just an N7 training facility. It's heavily defended, whatever it is. 

Look on your The Art of Mass Effect 3 that came with your EC on page 41.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Speaking of silos.. what is that thing in Firebase Rio? At first it looks like some sort of dam or power station but if you look down to one side there's some sort of huge complex going deep down into the water and presumably underground. It's huge. What the hell is it? Definitely more than just an N7 training facility. It's heavily defended, whatever it is. 

Look on your The Art of Mass Effect 3 that came with your EC on page 41.

I have no clue what that might mean (beside the obvious).

The fact that it looks more similar to Rio than Mars...well, the made Mars orangier than the artist throught. And the Rio map is set in dusk with the clouds being red. Well...still no clue.

I mean, the Mars facility is, just like Rio, of human origin. So, not nearly as odd as the Cerberus/Citadel-hallway-leading-to-the-control-room thing.

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Speaking of silos.. what is that thing in Firebase Rio? At first it looks like some sort of dam or power station but if you look down to one side there's some sort of huge complex going deep down into the water and presumably underground. It's huge. What the hell is it? Definitely more than just an N7 training facility. It's heavily defended, whatever it is. 

Look on your The Art of Mass Effect 3 that came with your EC on page 41.

I have no clue what that might mean (beside the obvious).

The fact that it looks more similar to Rio than Mars...well, the made Mars orangier than the artist throught. And the Rio map is set in dusk with the clouds being red. Well...still no clue.

I mean, the Mars facility is, just like Rio, of human origin. So, not nearly as odd as the Cerberus/Citadel-hallway-leading-to-the-control-room thing.

I would rather call it interesting. The lighting is never by chance and everything fits with the image there. Also it's not by chance we got a FB Rio. The movie where the soldiers get overwhelmed until the shockwave arrives is playing in Rio too.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I would rather call it interesting. The lighting is never by chance and everything fits with the image there. Also it's not by chance we got a FB Rio. The movie where the soldiers get overwhelmed until the shockwave arrives is playing in Rio too.

Orly? Never noticed that. But hey, that part wasn't in the original cinematics. It got added with the EC, where the development of the Earth DLC was probably also already at a certain stage.

So was Rio already planned prior to the EC?

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I would rather call it interesting. The lighting is never by chance and everything fits with the image there. Also it's not by chance we got a FB Rio. The movie where the soldiers get overwhelmed until the shockwave arrives is playing in Rio too.

Orly? Never noticed that. But hey, that part wasn't in the original cinematics. It got added with the EC, where the development of the Earth DLC was probably also already at a certain stage.

So was Rio already planned prior to the EC?

It seems that way, also Rio is where the N7 training facility is and it was under consideration for the Alliance HQ.
Didn't knew that before I looked up the filenames btw (as regular expressions ^^):
End03_[D|SC]_LondonRio_IntroShort
[End03_D_LondonRio[Worst]?_Outro]|[End03_[C|S]_LondonRio_Outro]

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 14 août 2012 - 09:50 .

[CoolioThane]

The FB Rio map is not the N7 training camp

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

The FB Rio map is not the N7 training camp

I didn't say it is, I merely stated it's in Rio and therefor Rio has some importance anyway.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

The FB Rio map is not the N7 training camp

I didn't say it is, I merely stated it's in Rio and therefor Rio has some importance anyway.

A nice, cozy and moist landing place for Leviathan?

More importantly:
The Mars facility was a dig site. he one in Rio doesn't look like one...maybe it was at some point but one may wonder who in the hell would want to dig such a hole in the atlantic ocean. Also, the water levels seem to have been lowered for the facility.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 14 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[Leonia]

I seem to recall there being some cut SP content regarding Rio, which may or may not have related to the fact that the N7 Training Facility is there. It's not a huge stretch to consider it might still be important, somehow.

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

One page ago

just saw it. I think it's a good theory, but all these theories about indoctrination and wanting shepard alive really need a motive from the reapers. because they're killing us conventionally so I really don't see the "an indoctrinated shepard would be a huge asset" as a viable reason.

Well, for one, it'd be a huge blow to morale if the got Shepard to fight for them.

Way more so than if they just killed her.

And why do the reapers need a huge blow to the morale of the Alliance? They're already acing this war. They already have the upper hand. There is no way the Reapers are going to lose this war if they just simply kill Shepard and Anderson, two of the most important and decorated soldiers in the Alliance.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 août 2012 - 11:34 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Even if the Reapers don't need "a huge blow to morale" or the Alliance infrastructure with an indoctrinated Shepard, they still have much to gain by indoctrinating him/her.

Shepard's Code is superior.

[The Heretic of Time]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Even if the Reapers don't need "a huge blow to morale" or the Alliance infrastructure with an indoctrinated Shepard, they still have much to gain by indoctrinating him/her.

Shepard's Code is superior.

What do they have to gain by indoctrinating Shepard that they can't gain by simply killing him/her?

[MaximizedAction]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Even if the Reapers don't need "a huge blow to morale" or the Alliance infrastructure with an indoctrinated Shepard, they still have much to gain by indoctrinating him/her.

Shepard's Code is superior.

What do they have to gain by indoctrinating Shepard that they can't gain by simply killing him/her?

The general question: Why do the Reapers need long term indoctrination if they have giant lasers and short term indoctrination?

Answer: Recall what EDI was telling Shepard in Normandy's cockpit about what was happening to influential people on Earth...

But also what Estebanus is saying below.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 14 août 2012 - 11:58 .

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Even if the Reapers don't need "a huge blow to morale" or the Alliance infrastructure with an indoctrinated Shepard, they still have much to gain by indoctrinating him/her.

Shepard's Code is superior.

What do they have to gain by indoctrinating Shepard that they can't gain by simply killing him/her?

Because Shepard is special. Think about it.

Throughout ME2, you hear how Harby wants Shepard alive, and you see how he admires humanity as a whole. Shepard is a physical manifestation of the best humanity has to offer. That's why s/he's so special to the reapers. By now, it's obvious they're gonna make the new sovereign-class reaper out of humanity, and since Shepard represents humanity, is it really too big a stretch to assume that they want Shepard to be on their side?

[The Heretic of Time]

I understand the benefits of long term indoctrination, but at the point where Hammer and Sword are attacking the reapers on earth, the war is obviously near it's end. What do the reapers have to gain at this point from capturing Shepard alive, rather than just killing him and sending him up that beam to be processed into a reaper?

I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME1.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME2.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard early in ME3.
But near the end of ME3, at this point? I don't see the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now. I really don't see what an indoctrinated Shepard could provide to the reapers at this point.

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I understand the benefits of long term indoctrination, but at the point where Hammer and Sword are attacking the reapers on earth, the war is obviously near it's end. What do the reapers have to gain at this point from capturing Shepard alive, rather than just killing him and sending him up that beam to be processed into a reaper?

I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME1.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME2.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard early in ME3.
But near the end of ME3, at this point? I don't see the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now. I really don't see what an indoctrinated Shepard could provide to the reapers at this point.

Actually that's one of the things why the ending seems unreal. The humans have to be alive to be processed according to what we see in ME2. Harbinger in a concise way of describing it: "The dead are useless."

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I understand the benefits of long term indoctrination, but at the point where Hammer and Sword are attacking the reapers on earth, the war is obviously near it's end. What do the reapers have to gain at this point from capturing Shepard alive, rather than just killing him and sending him up that beam to be processed into a reaper?

I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME1.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME2.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard early in ME3.
But near the end of ME3, at this point? I don't see the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now. I really don't see what an indoctrinated Shepard could provide to the reapers at this point.

Actually that's one of the things why the ending seems unreal. The humans have to be alive to be processed according to what we see in ME2. Harbinger in a concise way of describing it: "The dead are useless."

That's a fair point. Yet another retcon/inconsistency in the plot. But that still doesn't answer my question:


What's the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now that the war is almost over, the reapers have pretty much grabbed Shepard's united force by the balls, the Crucible can't be docked as long as the Citadel is closed and by the looks of the the Citadel won't open anytime soon as long as no-one uses that beacon in London. The Reapers are clearly winning and the are already busy preparing for the human ascension to reaperhood. So why indoctrinate Shepard now? Why not just kill him and get rid of him? 


Also, I just started reading the 3rd novel of Mass Effect once again, with Paul Grayson getting indoctrinated. And his indoctrination process isn't anything like what Shepard experiences.
Paul Grayson does not hallicunate. He doesn't dream weird scenarios that have consequences on the real world. What he does is: He dreams about the reapers. He hears alien voices in his head talking to him, he has the feeling of being watched and he becomes paranoid.
It's nothing like the ME3 ending, which is supposedly an indoctrination dream, at all.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I understand the benefits of long term indoctrination, but at the point where Hammer and Sword are attacking the reapers on earth, the war is obviously near it's end. What do the reapers have to gain at this point from capturing Shepard alive, rather than just killing him and sending him up that beam to be processed into a reaper?

I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME1.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard back in ME2.
I'd understand the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard early in ME3.
But near the end of ME3, at this point? I don't see the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now. I really don't see what an indoctrinated Shepard could provide to the reapers at this point.

Actually that's one of the things why the ending seems unreal. The humans have to be alive to be processed according to what we see in ME2. Harbinger in a concise way of describing it: "The dead are useless."

That's a fair point. Yet another retcon/inconsistency in the plot. But that still doesn't answer my question:


What's the benefit of indoctrinating Shepard now that the war is almost over, the reapers have pretty much grabbed Shepard's united force by the balls, the Crucible can't be docked as long as the Citadel is closed and by the looks of the the Citadel won't open anytime soon as long as no-one uses that beacon in London. The Reapers are clearly winning and the are already busy preparing for the human ascension to reaperhood. So why indoctrinate Shepard now? Why not just kill him and get rid of him? 


Also, I just started reading the 3rd novel of Mass Effect once again, with Paul Grayson getting indoctrinated. And his indoctrination process isn't anything like what Shepard experiences.
Paul Grayson does not hallicunate. He doesn't dream weird scenarios that have consequences on the real world. What he does is: He dreams about the reapers. He hears alien voices in his head talking to him, he has the feeling of being watched and he becomes paranoid.
It's nothing like the ME3 ending, which is supposedly an indoctrination dream, at all.

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."
Even if they are not typical symptoms, the files for the brown stuff while talking with TIM/Anderson have names with indoctrination or harbinger in them, can't remember precisely but both of them occur in the file for that section.
And even if Shepard doesn't show direct signs, a part of her crew does and it's just ignored by Shepard, even if she knows about these signs.

[Mythanblood]

The war was almost over? Did I miss something? Why should the current war with the Reapers only last a couple of weeks, if (or is it when? ) the last war between the Protheans and the Reapers lasted for decades or even centuries?

Modifié par Mythanblood, 14 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[Leonia]

Or maybe the war isn't quite over. Think about it.. it's the only way anything starts to make sense. If you open yourself up to the possibility of IT, even if you think it's crazy, you open the door for other inconsistencies to be resolved later when all the puzzle pieces are put in place. As it is now, we don't have the big picture so there's going to be a lot of unanswered questions.

[estebanus]

Mythanblood wrote...

The war was almost over? Did I miss something? Why should the current war with the Reapers only last a couple of weeks months, when the last war between the Protheans and the Reapers lasted for decades or even centuries?

Fixed.

But yeah, the war wouldn't be over that quickly. However, it would have been lost anyway.