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[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Even if they are not typical symptoms, the files for the brown stuff while talking with TIM/Anderson have names with indoctrination or harbinger in them, can't remember precisely but both of them occur in the file for that section.

That's because TIM is trying to indoctrinate Shepard. Even if you accept the endings at face-value, it's clear TIM has the power to indoctrinate others at this point. He uses that power to take control over Shepard, or at least, that's what he's trying.

And even if Shepard doesn't show direct signs, a part of her crew does and it's just ignored by Shepard, even if she knows about these signs.

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

[The Heretic of Time]

Mythanblood wrote...

The war was almost over? Did I miss something? Why should the current war with the Reapers only last a couple of weeks, if (or is it when? ) the last war between the Protheans and the Reapers lasted for decades or even centuries?

Well if you throw pretty much all your armies at the reapers and they pretty much all get destroyed, than yeah you can bet your ass the war is almost over. The aftermath will take centuries, sure. It will take centuries for the reapers to wipe the entire galaxy clean. But the actual war will be over as soon as the reapers destroyed the entire Hammer and Sword forces.

[Leonia]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

That's because TIM is trying to indoctrinate Shepard. Even if you accept the endings at face-value, it's clear TIM has the power to indoctrinate others at this point. He uses that power to take control over Shepard, or at least, that's what he's trying.

Maybe though I am surprised that a "literalist" is willing to believe this but not in IT. It would certainly be a twist and there are all those strange signs pointing to Cerberus every where. I have long wondered what Cerberus' main goal was other than "get in Shepard's way at every possible moment".

[The Heretic of Time]

 Hey look, I actually stood up for you guys here in this thread. Who would have guessed that huh?

[pseudonymic]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

So why indoctrinate Shepard now? Why not just kill him and get rid of him?

to create the ultimate reaper, or something of the same nature. why else did they want shepard so bad and alive to begin with.

What he does is: He dreams about the reapers. [...] It's nothing like the ME3 ending, which is supposedly an indoctrination dream, at all.

that depends on what you believe in. to me, that statement is like reiterating that shepard is indeed under the indoctrination process, for i believe the child is actually a reaper manifestation of whatever reaper is attempting to control her/him.

[Jusseb]

And there was the fact when TIM said he wouldn't write Shepard off just yet.

What did he mean by that? That Shepard eventually would still join Cerberus?
Or that Shepard would also choose to Control the Reapers?

When TIM said that i found that really interesting.

Modifié par Jusseb, 14 août 2012 - 01:18 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510

Meh, those aren't clear signs of indoctrination. This is just grasping as straws. I'm sorry if me saying that offends you.

[The Heretic of Time]

Jusseb wrote...

And there was the fact when TIM said he wouldn't write Shepard off just yet.

What did he mean by that? That Shepard eventually would still join Cerberus?
Or that Shepard would also choose to Control the Reapers?

When TIM said that i found that really interesting.

When does TIM say that?

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510

Meh, those aren't clear signs of indoctrination. This is just grasping as straws. I'm sorry if me saying that offends you.

Uhm it's exactly what you described in your post about the indoctrination in the novel.

[Jusseb]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

And there was the fact when TIM said he wouldn't write Shepard off just yet.

What did he mean by that? That Shepard eventually would still join Cerberus?
Or that Shepard would also choose to Control the Reapers?

When TIM said that i found that really interesting.

When does TIM say that?

I'm trying to find a video, but can't find it at the moment. 

I recall there's a conversation, i think between Kai Leng and TIM, when TIM says that he doesn't see Shepard as a total loss just yet. 

Maybe some other people here know when this takes place.

Modifié par Jusseb, 14 août 2012 - 01:36 .

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510

Meh, those aren't clear signs of indoctrination. This is just grasping as straws. I'm sorry if me saying that offends you.

Uhm it's exactly what you described in your post about the indoctrination in the novel.

Not really. Thats just 1 sentence from that might possibly vaguely hint towards indoctrination. Paul Grayson's indoctrination left him crippled for a couple of days, he slowly became crazy and he became a danger to himself. Paul Grayson used to be a red sand addict, but he managed to beat the addiction. However, the reaper indoctrination convinced him to start using red sand again, because it would weaken his mind, making the indoctrination more effective. 

When a reaper tries to indoctrinate an individual, they mentally break the individual first. When the individual is completely broken and nothing more than a pathetic piece of crap, they'll start feeding the broken mind with suggestions that will make the indoctrinated individual agree with the reapers and their philosophy. At least, that's what happened with Paul Grayson.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 août 2012 - 01:36 .

[AxStapleton]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

And there was the fact when TIM said he wouldn't write Shepard off just yet.

What did he mean by that? That Shepard eventually would still join Cerberus?
Or that Shepard would also choose to Control the Reapers?

When TIM said that i found that really interesting.

When does TIM say that?

The Cerberus Base, One of the terminals you can look for. 

7:58

[Jusseb]

AxStapleton wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

And there was the fact when TIM said he wouldn't write Shepard off just yet.

What did he mean by that? That Shepard eventually would still join Cerberus?
Or that Shepard would also choose to Control the Reapers?

When TIM said that i found that really interesting.

When does TIM say that?

The Cerberus Base, One of the terminals you can look for. 

7:58

Thanks!, that was the converstation i mentioned. AND he talks about Sanctuary and the proof of the experiments found there.

Maybe he wanted to use those findings found at Sanctuary to indoctrinate Shepard?

Modifié par Jusseb, 14 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[Gwyphon]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Wait... what? Part of Shepard's crew shows signs of indoctrination? When? 

http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510

Meh, those aren't clear signs of indoctrination. This is just grasping as straws. I'm sorry if me saying that offends you.

Uhm it's exactly what you described in your post about the indoctrination in the novel.

Not really. Thats just 1 sentence from that might possibly vaguely hint towards indoctrination. Paul Grayson's indoctrination left him crippled for a couple of days, he slowly became crazy and he became a danger to himself. Paul Grayson used to be a red sand addict, but he managed to beat the addiction. However, the reaper indoctrination convinced him to start using red sand again, because it would weaken his mind, making the indoctrination more effective. 

When a reaper tries to indoctrinate an individual, they mentally break the individual first. When the individual is completely broken and nothing more than a pathetic piece of crap, they'll start feeding the broken mind with suggestions that will make the indoctrinated individual agree with the reapers and their philosophy. At least, that's what happened with Paul Grayson.

Shepard seems pretty broken down after the loss of Thessia (a clear and noticble change in character) followed by self doubt during the LI scene after the Cerberus Base attack.

[AxStapleton]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

 Hey look, I actually stood up for you guys here in this thread. Who would have guessed that huh?

You kept that facade up for the best part of 1 comment.

[The Heretic of Time]

AxStapleton wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

 Hey look, I actually stood up for you guys here in this thread. Who would have guessed that huh?

You kept that facade up for the best part of 1 comment.

I'm not keeping up any facade, that's not my style. But whatever man.

[EpyonX3]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

[The Heretic of Time]

[quote]Gwyphon wrote...

Not really. Thats just 1 sentence from that might possibly vaguely hint towards indoctrination. Paul Grayson's indoctrination left him crippled for a couple of days, he slowly became crazy and he became a danger to himself. Paul Grayson used to be a red sand addict, but he managed to beat the addiction. However, the reaper indoctrination convinced him to start using red sand again, because it would weaken his mind, making the indoctrination more effective. 

When a reaper tries to indoctrinate an individual, they mentally break the individual first. When the individual is completely broken and nothing more than a pathetic piece of crap, they'll start feeding the broken mind with suggestions that will make the indoctrinated individual agree with the reapers and their philosophy. At least, that's what happened with Paul Grayson.

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Shepard seems pretty broken down after the loss of Thessia (a clear and noticble change in character) followed by self doubt during the LI scene after the Cerberus Base attack.
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That's not the same. Shepard just seems a bit down. His morale is low, but he's not broken, far from it. You'd have to read Mass Effect Retribution to understand the difference between Paul Grayson and Shepard.

[pseudonymic]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

correct.

[The Heretic of Time]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

This is correct. But Shepard did confirm Andersons comparison with this reply: "Yeah, why not. They probably round em up at earth and send them here to be processed into a reaper." (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing now).

[EpyonX3]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

This is correct. But Shepard did confirm Andersons comparison with this reply: "Yeah, why not. They probably round em up at earth and send them here to be processed into a reaper." (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing now).

Right, and I'm pretty sure he was refering to the bodies and how they were arranged, not the overall structure of the hallway. But that's just me, I haven't played ME3's ending in weeks.

[Schachmatt123]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

This is correct. But Shepard did confirm Andersons comparison with this reply: "Yeah, why not. They probably round em up at earth and send them here to be processed into a reaper." (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing now).

Right, and I'm pretty sure he was refering to the bodies and how they were arranged, not the overall structure of the hallway. But that's just me, I haven't played ME3's ending in weeks.

Here's a video: http://www.youtube.c...ZWViqiQ#t=6m00s

[EpyonX3]

Schachmatt wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard mentioned it the hallway looked like from the collector ship. At that point I was all like "wha? that doesn't look like it at all."

Yeah that kind of made me facepalm too.

Off the top of my head, I think it was Anderson that said it reminds him of Shepard's description of the collector base. I don't think Shepard actually said it looked like it.

This is correct. But Shepard did confirm Andersons comparison with this reply: "Yeah, why not. They probably round em up at earth and send them here to be processed into a reaper." (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing now).

Right, and I'm pretty sure he was refering to the bodies and how they were arranged, not the overall structure of the hallway. But that's just me, I haven't played ME3's ending in weeks.

Here's a video: http://www.youtube.c...ZWViqiQ#t=6m00s

Thanks! See Anderson asks what the surroundings look like. Shepard answers, it's dark, human remains scattered. Then Anderson says it sounds familiar and it's similar to how Shepard described the collector base.

[TSA_383]

http://social.biowar...17/398#13663225

Hey hanar (+ others who weren't around earlier) - I'm actually interested to see what you'd make of this - any thoughts?