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[Eryri]

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

Modifié par Eryri, 15 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[AxStapleton]

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

[demersel]

Flog61 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

I think you might be thinking of the wrong company. This is bEA- 'lore? what does that mean?' -ware

OR that can mean that reapers leaving primitives alone is load of BUL%#T. Another lie on their part, so some sick individuals could simpathize with them. ))) 

[Eryri]

AxStapleton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

I suppose it could be Leviathan trying to warn developing races about the other reapers. Assuming he / it actually is benevolent of course.

[AxStapleton]

AxStapleton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Eryri wrote...

I suppose it could be Leviathan trying to warn developing races about the other reapers. Assuming he / it actually is benevolent of course.

I doubt he would do that. If Leviathan thought he could defeat the Reapers by warning a cycle, and if that is if it is his goal, he would probably have done so allready. With indoctriation it would not be hard to get a foothold within a goverment and then move on, building an armada based on tech they could copy of him and then preparing a hot welcome for his fellows.

But I still think the cave painting is Leviathan. Think about it, even as advanced as he is, Leviathan might still need servants for basic mainteniance or repeairing/building his hiding place. Picking those servants from among highly advanced species would be dangerous as they might leave more obvius records of him, records the Reapers might find.

Instead it would make sense for him to Indoctrinate primitive people, teaching them what he needs them to know. It leaves little chance for the Reapers to discover him as long as he moves out shortly after teh end of each cycle

But a key question is what Leviathan plans, what he thinks of the other Reapers and how he plans to stop them, if that is his plan.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 15 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[TJBartlemus]

AxStapleton wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

I can tell they didn't have positive memories about it, that's for sure. They made it look pretty menacing. Red and Black are really angry/dangerous colors. They even made it have what looks like an angry face. So it's pretty safe to assume that nothing good happened when they saw it. 

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I suppose it could be Leviathan trying to warn developing races about the other reapers. Assuming he / it actually is benevolent of course.

I doubt he would do that. If Leviathan thought he could defeat the Reapers by warning a cycle, and if that is is his goalm he would probably have done so allready. With indoctriation it would not be hard to get a foothold within a goverment and then move on, building an armada based on tech they could copy of him and then preparing a hot welcome for his fellows.

But I still think the cave painting is Leviathan. Think about it, even as advanced as he is, Leviathan might still need servants for basic mainteniance or repeairing/building his hiding place. Picking those servants from among highly advanced species would be dangerous as they might leave more obvius records of him, records the Reapers might find.

Intsead it would make sense for him to Indoctrinate primitive people, teaching them what he needs them to know. It leaves little chance for the Reapers to discover him as long as he moves out at the end of each cycle.

But a key point is what Leviathan plans, what he thinks of the other Reapers and how he plans to stop them, if that is his plan.

That's interesting to think about. As a renagade reaper he wouldn't follow the "rules" that the other reapers abided by.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR Leviathan below.



I wonder if Leviathan is in hiding or whether he's been imprisoned? Some of the leaked dialogue implied that Leviathan had AI shackles. And not just "ordinary" shackles, but ones that seemed to actively punish him by inflicting "sensations of darkness and cold". Maybe Harby wanted some payback for Leviathan shooting his middle tentacle off?

Modifié par Eryri, 15 août 2012 - 09:05 .

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Remember that cinematic trailer "TAKE EARTH BACK"? The thing is - i really want to do just that. And currently the game is lacking in this sense. Also. It doesn't happen during night. It's daytime. And it's not London. Earth is not all london... Also, the only two maps featured in the multyplayer, but not featured in the compaign are the firebase Hydra and firebase RIO. And while Hydra is explained lore wise - Rio comes completely out of nowhere.

Do you want me to repost my Rio analysis?

[masster blaster]

I have been thinking that Leviathan, takes over that girls father, we see in the tralier. I say this, because Hackeet looks vert disturbed by the guy talking to him.

Also I think Leviathan could not have been around the time when those cave drawings came to be, since Leviathin has only reacentlly been awakened, by the Batarians. So It's Harbinger, or Soveregin.

Or maybe another Reaper, we are not aware of.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 août 2012 - 09:06 .

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

I think you might be thinking of the wrong company. This is bEA- 'lore? what does that mean?' -ware

OR that can mean that reapers leaving primitives alone is load of BUL%#T. Another lie on their part, so some sick individuals could simpathize with them. ))) 

Exactly. We have "known" since ME1 that reapers have been killing primitives even though Starkid says they don't. Also, in ME3 *cough* Harvesters *cough*

[TJBartlemus]

Flog61 wrote...

Also all the figherts in the paintings look feminine...

So they are either the asari, or a group of flamboyant homosexual cavemen

Most likely asari....or some species close to it. Here are the drawings from the asari temple. Compared the two are similar in design of the asari.

http://t2.gstatic.co...gGCCsVy5zlZqmY9

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Do you want me to repost my Rio analysis?

Yes, please! :innocent:

[EpyonX3]

Flog61 wrote...

I reckon bioware will do something....awful. What i think is:

Turns out there was another race of humans who were spaceflight; reapers killed them but there was another race of humans who were far less developed, who they left alone.

The tall man is the human reaper from the other race of humans.




I'm seriously scared that this is what's going to happen.

Naa I don't think so. If anyting they're Asari and the big man was representing protheans.

[BansheeOwnage]

Here it is:
Okay. So I'll start by saying I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here; this is just my interpretation.

So I felt like I'd compile a list of evidence (to me at least) from the new Earth DLC and its trailer. You could boil it down to reused assets if you want but "nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise". Here it goes.

Let's start with the DLC itself, not the trailer"

Grasping at straws emergency induction ports: When I looked at the map order and realized that they are not in alphabetical order I was curious to know why there were in the order they are in (Rio, Vancouver, London). Then I realized what it spells when I used the first letter of each in order: RVL = Reveal.

Not grasping at straws emergency induction ports: Voices. So I am fairly sure the Shadow infiltrator is voiced by engineer Daniels. You can really tell with certain lines. Weird right?

Next, the new VI drone in the escort mission is, as far as I can tell, voiced by engineer Adams in a pitched up Salarian voice. Remember he voiced Padok Wiks in a higher voice. I can't tell who voices the Destroyer or Paladin but I don't recognize them. If it was engineer Donnelly putting on a North American accent I think that would really be interesting. Why? IMO this points to post ending DLC involving the GX12-Chekhov's-gun. Maybe the Normandy is fighting in space and if you don't have the GX12 the three engies get vapourised! It's a big "if" but I don't care.

The warning sign in Firebase Vancouver. You see it immediately after exiting the enormous ladder that it also a vent. Not just any warning sign either. The one used in SP Vancouver with the kid. The one (no longer) specific to that scene. Note it says "Warning: Code 89" on it. A Code 89 means a crime against nature = a reaper.

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this:
- The map has Geth fighters on it; in effect it seems to be a fighter base.
- The map was released very soon after the base game; it would have already fully/partially existed.
- The map fits fairly well with the current mission. If you didn't notice on the map itself, there are Geth virtual reality pods in its control room, near an unused tram system.
- As you can see from the following vid at starting at about 1:40, the scene cuts quite abruptly from Shepard walking with his squad at the beginning of the mission (like always happens in missions right before taking control of Shepard) to the squad being inside. Shepard then pops out a heat sink. Why would you need to do that if you haven't fought anyone yet?
- There is no actual combat in this mission. I think the MP map area would have been it, but was cut most likely to either shorten the mission or, more likely, so as not to break the non-reality aspect of the mission.
Geth consensus mission:
So my point here is to simply emphasize that all MP maps, even Hydra, are based of SP locations. IMO this is clear evidence that points to a post ending DLC, seeing as they only way I can think of Rio being in SP is IT.

Rio: The map itself is quite interesting and unique, as it features a large as-of-yet unknown facility in the ocean. The whole area is heavily defended, and has the look of something quite important (some sort of research facility?) Close to the landing pad the N7 operatives land on, there is a gate (already open in MP) that says "Restricted Access" or something to that effect. This is the direction you would travel in the Rio SP mission. Following that path you will soon end up at the control-center looking thing in the middle of the map. This sparked my attention, and I immediately started looking for a ladder. Sure enough, go inside this and look up. There is a trap door in the ceiling. Looks like the ladder going through the trap door was cut in MP for obvious reasons. So the objective thus far would be to get inside the control center and activate the AA guns/drain the water/open the facility somehow. Not sure exactly how the mission would go after that, but whether this is an N7 facility or not, it is impressive that it has been this well defended up until the fleets' arrival. This would also most likely answer the question of how we would defeat the reapers if IT is true. Perhaps there is some sort of weapon there? My idea is that they’re building a mass relay, Ilos style. That would fit with the epic AA defenses. Plus, there is a section on the map called “Relay Station.” Further evidence to support Rio being a singleplayer location is the map’s combat design. It seems to be designed with the intention that the player does not have to watch their back. What I mean by that is in SP as you progress through an area, you kill the enemies in front of you and keep moving forward. You cannot employ this tactic in MP however, or you will be flanked and killed. The level is very linear in a literal and combat sense. Speculation for everyone.

Earth MP trailer:
Aside from being quite epic, the trailer is very interesting IMO. For starters, this trailer confirms the MP timeline. The fleets will arrive soon. This fits with the IT reveal possibly fitting within the MP timeline. Anyway, at 0:23, it looks like instead of Shepard, Anderson, and the squad, they replaced their models with the MP characters. This on its own means nothing; it is reusing assets. What is interesting is at 0:27-0:30 and at 0:38 especially it also looks like reused assets. But from where? There is no Rio SP mission. (Or is there?) Let's look into 0:38-0:43 more closely. Assuming this is SP with the models replaced with MP characters, it would most likely be Shepard (judging from the looking-around animation and the camera emphasis on the destroyer-soldier, I would assume this is the replacement for Shepard's model), 2 squadmates and Anderson(?) having already dealt with Coats in London.Further evidence for this is the lack of Cobras on their backs. IMO the trailer screamed "This isn't over yet!" Anderson's "Until the fleets return" line seemed to me that we have to hold out until "the fleets" arrive, metaphorically. Also, I heard that Anderson's trailer speech is, for the most part, in the EC files. Why they would be there is a mystery to me, as I can't even think of an IT reason for it. If you can, please post it.

So yeah, there you go. Some things to think about!

Edit: Credit to Hrothdane, the name Hydra fits a Geth base very well.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 août 2012 - 09:17 .

[EpyonX3]

AxStapleton wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

yes it's watching them fight each other. Or Watching them fight indoctrinated versions of that race.

[noobcannon]

TJBartlemus wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

We don't even know if its attacking. For all we know it could be observing them.

I can tell they didn't have positive memories about it, that's for sure. They made it look pretty menacing. Red and Black are really angry/dangerous colors. They even made it have what looks like an angry face. So it's pretty safe to assume that nothing good happened when they saw it. 

there's so much we don't know yet, maybe wait until it's actually out?  if you look to the right of that drawing theres a giant humaniod looking figure. they might be presenting a very small part of that drawing out of context to generate more speculation. all the haters should just cool their jets for 2 more weeks.

[estebanus]

Hey guys. What's going on?

[AxStapleton]

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?

Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

[TJBartlemus]

noobcannon wrote...

there's so much we don't know yet, maybe wait until it's actually out?  if you look to the right of that drawing theres a giant humaniod looking figure. they might be presenting a very small part of that drawing out of context to generate more speculation. all the haters should just cool their jets for 2 more weeks.

Who's hating? We're just having a nice speculation on the intentions of the Reaper in the drawing.  Besides...2 weeks are a long time. How can we not speculate? 

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?

Hey! We're just talking about Rio in SP again and were discussing some interesting concept art that has the look of the breath scene rubble.