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Flog61 wrote...


Turns out i had read the rio bit, but not the trailer; highly interesting banshee.

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Thanks! One more thing to add. The trap door in the control centre closely resembles the trap doors in Chronos Station, so we know they’ve used that effect before.

Edit: YES! I'm on top this time Estebanus! Posted Image

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Nice analysis, Banshee. Maybe tomorow, if i have time - i'll write a long detailed post on why the very existence of EC proves the IT. )))

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demersel wrote...

Nice analysis, Banshee. Maybe tomorow, if i have time - i'll write a long detailed post on why the very existence of EC proves the IT. )))

Thanks, and I'll look foward to reading it.

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estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?


Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

I've talked about this with my brother a while ago, and I came up with an hypothesis.

We know that the reapers are created from using both organics and synthetics, right? Well, The reapers obviously weren't always as powerful as they are now, no? They had to get their troops from somewhere, and my hypothesis is, that in the beginning, they also harvested unadvanced life so that their forces would be big enough to destroy more advanced life. Something that helps my hypothesis is, that there's a certain planet I saw (for got the name, sorry) that has a pretty interesting description. The description says that there are indications that there once was a species on that planet that was currently going through their bronze age. Well, another interesting thing about that is that there are huge craters all around the ruins of several settlements. Initially, it was thought to be metior showers, but it was too convenient for them to only crash on large settlements. Since then, the craters have been revealed to be impacts of mass accelerator shots.

Could this have been the reapers? Is it possible that they harvested both advanced and unadvanced life to begin with in order to grow strong? Could these cave paintings actually be the remnants of an unadvanced species that was harvested long ago?

Thoughts?

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Flog61 wrote...


Turns out i had read the rio bit, but not the trailer; highly interesting banshee.

Have a chocolate button Posted Image

Thanks! One more thing to add. The trap door in the control centre closely resembles the trap doors in Chronos Station, so we know they’ve used that effect before.

Edit: YES! I'm on top this time Estebanus! Posted Image


OMG! This proves IT!!!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?

Hey! We're just talking about Rio in SP again and were discussing some interesting concept art that has the look of the breath scene rubble.

Really? What concept art?

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Edit: YES! I'm on top this time Estebanus! Posted Image

Don't get too cocky! ;)

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estebanus wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?


Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

I've talked about this with my brother a while ago, and I came up with an hypothesis.

We know that the reapers are created from using both organics and synthetics, right? Well, The reapers obviously weren't always as powerful as they are now, no? They had to get their troops from somewhere, and my hypothesis is, that in the beginning, they also harvested unadvanced life so that their forces would be big enough to destroy more advanced life. Something that helps my hypothesis is, that there's a certain planet I saw (for got the name, sorry) that has a pretty interesting description. The description says that there are indications that there once was a species on that planet that was currently going through their bronze age. Well, another interesting thing about that is that there are huge craters all around the ruins of several settlements. Initially, it was thought to be metior showers, but it was too convenient for them to only crash on large settlements. Since then, the craters have been revealed to be impacts of mass accelerator shots.

Could this have been the reapers? Is it possible that they harvested both advanced and unadvanced life to begin with in order to grow strong? Could these cave paintings actually be the remnants of an unadvanced species that was harvested long ago?

Thoughts?


That is an interesting hypothesis. A few Reapers (considering we are only talking about the race who created them) wouldn't be enough to topple races such as the Protheans or even the current cycle. So it does make sense that at first they would need  harvest other, younger races to build up their numbers.

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AxStapleton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?


Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

I've talked about this with my brother a while ago, and I came up with an hypothesis.

We know that the reapers are created from using both organics and synthetics, right? Well, The reapers obviously weren't always as powerful as they are now, no? They had to get their troops from somewhere, and my hypothesis is, that in the beginning, they also harvested unadvanced life so that their forces would be big enough to destroy more advanced life. Something that helps my hypothesis is, that there's a certain planet I saw (for got the name, sorry) that has a pretty interesting description. The description says that there are indications that there once was a species on that planet that was currently going through their bronze age. Well, another interesting thing about that is that there are huge craters all around the ruins of several settlements. Initially, it was thought to be metior showers, but it was too convenient for them to only crash on large settlements. Since then, the craters have been revealed to be impacts of mass accelerator shots.

Could this have been the reapers? Is it possible that they harvested both advanced and unadvanced life to begin with in order to grow strong? Could these cave paintings actually be the remnants of an unadvanced species that was harvested long ago?

Thoughts?


That is an interesting hypothesis. A few Reapers (considering we are only talking about the race who created them) wouldn't be enough to topple races such as the Protheans or even the current cycle. So it does make sense that at first they would need  harvest other, younger races to build up their numbers.

Hang on, maybe I'll be able to find the name of the planet I mentioned.

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I am sorry guys but that's not Leviathan in the cave drawling. Think about it. Leviathan was found by the batarians, and was brought back online, nearly 100, or 69 years ago. It's been alseep for about but then again maybe it is Leviathan. We don't know when the Reaper was on that planet, but we know it's a billion years old.

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estebanus wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?


Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

I've talked about this with my brother a while ago, and I came up with an hypothesis.

We know that the reapers are created from using both organics and synthetics, right? Well, The reapers obviously weren't always as powerful as they are now, no? They had to get their troops from somewhere, and my hypothesis is, that in the beginning, they also harvested unadvanced life so that their forces would be big enough to destroy more advanced life. Something that helps my hypothesis is, that there's a certain planet I saw (for got the name, sorry) that has a pretty interesting description. The description says that there are indications that there once was a species on that planet that was currently going through their bronze age. Well, another interesting thing about that is that there are huge craters all around the ruins of several settlements. Initially, it was thought to be metior showers, but it was too convenient for them to only crash on large settlements. Since then, the craters have been revealed to be impacts of mass accelerator shots.

Could this have been the reapers? Is it possible that they harvested both advanced and unadvanced life to begin with in order to grow strong? Could these cave paintings actually be the remnants of an unadvanced species that was harvested long ago?

Thoughts?


This would certainly help explain how the Reapers were able to get the numbers necessary to start the harvest. It would also be yet another extreme and paradoxical action by the Starbrat. I remember noting that planet's description when I saw it, but I didn't think about it enough to draw the connection to the painting.

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estebanus wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?


Discussing the cave paintings from Leviathan and speculating on what they could mean.

I've talked about this with my brother a while ago, and I came up with an hypothesis.

We know that the reapers are created from using both organics and synthetics, right? Well, The reapers obviously weren't always as powerful as they are now, no? They had to get their troops from somewhere, and my hypothesis is, that in the beginning, they also harvested unadvanced life so that their forces would be big enough to destroy more advanced life. Something that helps my hypothesis is, that there's a certain planet I saw (for got the name, sorry) that has a pretty interesting description. The description says that there are indications that there once was a species on that planet that was currently going through their bronze age. Well, another interesting thing about that is that there are huge craters all around the ruins of several settlements. Initially, it was thought to be metior showers, but it was too convenient for them to only crash on large settlements. Since then, the craters have been revealed to be impacts of mass accelerator shots.

Could this have been the reapers? Is it possible that they harvested both advanced and unadvanced life to begin with in order to grow strong? Could these cave paintings actually be the remnants of an unadvanced species that was harvested long ago?

Thoughts?

Yes definitely. There is a rediculous amount of reaper forshadowing in the ME1 (as well as ME2 and 3) planets.

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I am sorry guys but that's not Leviathan in the cave drawling. Think about it. Leviathan was found by the batarians, and was brought back online, nearly 100, or 69 years ago. It's been alseep for about but then again maybe it is Leviathan. We don't know when the Reaper was on that planet, but we know it's a billion years old.


Oh, when was it confirmed leviathan and the leviathan of dis are the same entity?

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masster blaster wrote...

I am sorry guys but that's not Leviathan in the cave drawling. Think about it. Leviathan was found by the batarians, and was brought back online, nearly 100, or 69 years ago. It's been alseep for about but then again maybe it is Leviathan. We don't know when the Reaper was on that planet, but we know it's a billion years old.

We don't actually know if it's the same Leviathan yet.

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 Hey guys I have this theory that the catalyst didn't create the reapers and it was something else, there's some evidence in this vid a I made



www.youtube.com/watch
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 Interesting idea. Considering that the Reapers are trying to manipulate Shepard and mess with his perceptions, we as the player don't experiance this 100% of the time. Think about it. For the majority of the game we see from "Character Shep's" perception but not all the time. Times like in the Geth Fighter Squadrens mission we see the squadmates update the admiral on the progress of the mission. Something "Character Shep" wouldn't be able to see but we "Player Shep" are able to. So possibly a lot of what we see in the end like the Hacketts progress with the Crucible on that "He/She did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." actually did happen. This is cause there is no way "Character Shep" would have been able to see it and as we are not seeing it from "Character Sheps" perspective, our perspective is unclouded by the Reapers manipulation. 

Just something to think about. :happy:

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's going on?

Hey! We're just talking about Rio in SP again and were discussing some interesting concept art that has the look of the breath scene rubble.

Really? What concept art?

There's my deskot wallpaper (rubble)
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the citadel being invaded by reapers
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Character-Shepard being pulled up by Player-Shepard
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And a mirrored picture of Anderson, that looks ingame and may be him helping Shepard up.
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Yes but if those cave drawings are Asari, then it changes everything about Harvesting the apex civilizations, but I want to know, what the hell are these drawings are on. I mean what Planet, are those drawlings on?

To me they this is the first civiliaztion to be harvested, thus making Harbinger the First true Reaper.

Remember the child has been takeing notes on organics and synthetics, and it got to the point, that the Catalyst went on a killing ranpage, because of something horrifc happened to cause Harbinger to be the Harbinger we get to know.

Also I think, we have only 90% of Leviathan script. Think about it. We got 85% of the script in the EC, but we get a little more, in the Earth dlc, which is 87.5%. Then we get firepack for SP, which gives us the 90%. Now when Leviathan comes out, we get the other 10%, that Bioware did not want to reveale yet, in the script for Leviathan dlc.

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Link to wallpapaer doesnt work for me, banshee. You try it?

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You forget the femshep poster.

#10446
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Link to wallpapaer doesnt work for me, banshee. You try it?

Hmm weird. Works for me, but here it is smaller. Also, I fixed the other post.
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My version was better, too bad it doesn't want to work :/

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Interesting idea. Considering that the Reapers are trying to manipulate Shepard and mess with his perceptions, we as the player don't experiance this 100% of the time. Think about it. For the majority of the game we see from "Character Shep's" perception but not all the time. Times like in the Geth Fighter Squadrens mission we see the squadmates update the admiral on the progress of the mission. Something "Character Shep" wouldn't be able to see but we "Player Shep" are able to. So possibly a lot of what we see in the end like the Hacketts progress with the Crucible on that "He/She did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." actually did happen. This is cause there is no way "Character Shep" would have been able to see it and as we are not seeing it from "Character Sheps" perspective, our perspective is unclouded by the Reapers manipulation. 

Just something to think about. :happy:


Yes, but if we take into account that the intention of the devs was to make the player feel what Shepard feels, 'player Shep' and 'character Shep' are supposed to converge as good as possible! And if the ending really is choreographed as accurate as they said, this is the part where we should get as close at it can gets to 'character Shep'.

And if everything else seems doubtable, why shouldn't this?

On the other hand, Hackett first says "Holy **** (s)he did it" but then orders the fleet that they "someone made it to the Citadel...we need to give them time to open the arms.". So who did make it to the Citadel according to his reports and why doesn't he tell the fleet that it was at least Shepard (to boost the moral)?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 août 2012 - 10:05 .


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Modifié par estebanus, 15 août 2012 - 10:07 .