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[estebanus]

Flog61 wrote...

I see that I'm not invited to this post.

Better not read.

Pretty sure it was unreadable anyway.

Boom, on top! Take it, Banshee!

Modifié par estebanus, 15 août 2012 - 10:36 .

[masster blaster]

Flog you can read it. I was just telling Max, and TJ, about what could be realing happening after Shepard get's semi hit by Harbingers beam. I said Semi, because I posted yestudardy, that Harbinger does not hit Shepard, and Shepard flys back once the screen is about to fully go white.

Also anyone can read what I posted on the last page..

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 août 2012 - 10:37 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Flog you can read it. I was just telling Max, and TJ, about what could be realing happening after Shepard get's semi hit by Harbingers beam. I said Semi, because I posted yestudardy, that Harbinger does not hit Shepard, and Shepard flys back once the screen is about to fully go white.

Also anyone can read what I posted on the last page..

Pretty sure you couldn't stop them anyway.

[AxStapleton]

Flog61 wrote...

Has anyone posted an analysis of the cerberus base mission, or is there not enough info to post about there?

There isn't much but there is a terminal with TIM's conversations with Kai Leng. When Kai Leng brings Vendetta to TIM after Thessia,  Kai Leng asks whether he should finish Shepard off. TIM says no because he hasn't "written Shepard off as a total loss just yet."

[estebanus]

Well, I'm going to bed. Got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow. See you later.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

I see that I'm not invited to this post.

Better not read.

Pretty sure it was unreadable anyway.

Boom, on top! Take it, Banshee!

I needed a rest anyway 

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow. See you later.

Wait a sec.

[TJBartlemus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Interesting idea. Considering that the Reapers are trying to manipulate Shepard and mess with his perceptions, we as the player don't experiance this 100% of the time. Think about it. For the majority of the game we see from "Character Shep's" perception but not all the time. Times like in the Geth Fighter Squadrens mission we see the squadmates update the admiral on the progress of the mission. Something "Character Shep" wouldn't be able to see but we "Player Shep" are able to. So possibly a lot of what we see in the end like the Hacketts progress with the Crucible on that "He/She did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." actually did happen. This is cause there is no way "Character Shep" would have been able to see it and as we are not seeing it from "Character Sheps" perspective, our perspective is unclouded by the Reapers manipulation. 

Just something to think about. :happy:

Yes, but if we take into account that the intention of the devs was to make the player feel what Shepard feels, 'player Shep' and 'character Shep' are supposed to converge as good as possible! And if the ending really is choreographed as accurate as they said, this is the part where we should get as close at it can gets to 'character Shep'.

And if everything else seems doubtable, why shouldn't this?

On the other hand, Hackett first says "Holy **** (s)he did it" but then orders the fleet that they "someone made it to the Citadel...we need to give them time to open the arms.". So who did make it to the Citadel according to his reports and why doesn't he tell the fleet that it was at least Shepard (to boost the moral)?

Exactly. The whole point of the game was to tie player and character shep together as close as possible yet BioWare constantly has parts of the game which this togetherness is separated. A majority of those times are in space battles. So to blatently separate player and character like this must mean something more. The implications are interesting...

PS. Found something interesting. Don't know if glitch but on a playthrough choosing Destroy with med EMS it totally skipped the scene of them placing the Shepard momorial thing on the wall. I've never seen this happen before and on other playthroughs with High EMS the scene has shown. So glitch or cause Shep doesn't survive they skip the scene? 

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow. See you later.

Wait a sec.

What is it?

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow. See you later.

Wait a sec.

What is it?

Sorry. Just wanted to say that about a year ago I was visiting my relatives in Denmark and was there when one of them came back from Afghanistan. He told me some stories about it, including someone he knew getting shot in the thigh. Huh. Anyway, have a good night!

[AxStapleton]

AxStapleton wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Has anyone posted an analysis of the cerberus base mission, or is there not enough info to post about there?

There isn't much but there is a terminal with TIM's conversations with Kai Leng. When Kai Leng brings Vendetta to TIM after Thessia,  Kai Leng asks whether he should finish Shepard off. TIM says no because he hasn't "written Shepard off as a total loss just yet."

The conversation I was referring to.

Go to 2:27

[masster blaster]

Hope you sister is going to get better Estebanus. Take care and night.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow. See you later.

Wait a sec.

What is it?

Sorry. Just wanted to say that about a year ago I was visiting my relatives in Denmark and was there when one of them came back from Afghanistan. He told me some stories about it, including someone he knew getting shot in the thigh. Huh. Anyway, have a good night!

Weird... Well, couldn't have been my sister.
But yeah, goodnight!

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Hope you sister is going to get better Estebanus. Take care and night.

Oh, she'll get better, trust me. And when she goes back... heads will roll... Oh yes, they will...

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

Here are some particularly notable quotes I found in Arrival and my analysis of them. Considering Mac Walters wrote Arrival along with the beginning and ending of ME3, I think the connections are especially worth discussion.

"Scientist: I woke up this morning in a cold sweat. The nightmare was back, the one with the enormous starship crawling through the Citadel and all my friends turning to dust. Even now I can see it in my mind. Why won't this stop?"

I'm sure I don't need to tell you this connects to Shepard's recurring dreams in ME3. Both dreams imply helplessness on the part of the dreamer by showing them unable to help someone they care about. The scientist also says "the nightmare was back," meaning that the dreams are infrequent, like Shepard's

"Guard: When it's silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they're saying."

He can hear the Reapers communicating with him, but he can't make out what they are actually saying. This reminded me of that Reaper sound effect that sounds similar to "serve us" or "save us."

"Guard: Kenson's acting strang lately. Like she doesn't care about the Project anymore. And I know I'm not the only one having those dreams. 'The Reapers are coming,' she says. But I'm not sure if I'm hearing far or hope in her voice."

This quote shows that the dreams are not a unique occurrence.

"Dr. Kenson: The longer we're here, the more I'm convinced that the Project must be stopped. We simply don't know enough about what the Reapers want. It's foolish to assume that the Reapers mean doom for the galaxy. Legends say they've come through before, and yet life continues, doesn't it?"

So the most clearly indoctrinated person on the Project staff started to sympathize with the Reapers and wanted to learn more about their motives.

"Dr. Kenson: I will die never having seen the Reapers' blessings. And you will just die."

This quote struck me as odd. It may just be structured awkwardly, but it could also imply that Shepard will see the "Reapers' blessings" before dying.

"Harbinger: This seems a victory to you. A star system sacrificed. But even now, your greatest civilizations are doomed to fall. Your leaders will beg to serve us."

The last sentence implies that the Reapers will let the leaders live long enough to have an opportunity to beg. This shows from Harbinger's own mouth(?) that the Reapers DO intend to indoctrinate galactic leaders instead of just kililng them. Note that Shepard could easily be considered one of those leaders in ME3.

"Harbinger: Know this as you die in vain: Your time will come. Your species will fall."

Harbinger's language takes a strange turn here. The entire game he says that the Reapers will bring human species "ascension" or "evolution" or "salvation through destruction" or they will be "brought into harmony with our own." All of a sudden, Harbinger says that our species will fall, the exact opposite of ascension. I haven't made any conclusions yet from this change in language, but I think it deserves note.

Because English doesn't have plural second-person pronouns (grrrrrr...), it's also unclear whether he means "Your (species') time will come," or "Your (Shepard's) time will come."

Definitely some interesting stuff in there, as usual.  I have no idea how some people think Shepard's dreams have virtually no significance. That's just not how fiction works. Especially in games, where they have to create all of the assets for each scene. Also, +infinity for the bolded part.
Also, the dream description pretty much match Shepard's dreams perfectly. I'm pretty sure she even woke up in a cold sweat (kind of). The part about falling is a bit weird too. Not sure what to make of that yet either. Let me know if you do.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 août 2012 - 10:57 .

[noobcannon]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Who's hating? We're just having a nice speculation on the intentions of the Reaper in the drawing.  Besides...2 weeks are a long time. How can we not speculate? 

my bad. quoted the wrong pyramid. heres the one i meant to use.

noobcannon wrote... 

demersel wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Interesting images
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13689383/5#13690929

Looks like they are either fighting or worshiping. Possibly both.

How come that Reaper is attacking cave people (or aliens)? I thought they were supposed to leave primitive civilisations alone?

I think you might be thinking of the wrong company. This is bEA- 'lore? what does that mean?' -ware

OR that can mean that reapers leaving primitives alone is load of BUL%#T. Another lie on their part, so some sick individuals could simpathize with them. ))) 

 

there's so much we don't know yet, maybe wait until it's actually out?  if you look to the right of that drawing theres a giant humaniod looking figure. they might be presenting a very small part of that drawing out of context to generate more speculation. all the haters should just cool their jets for 2 more weeks.

 

[TJBartlemus]

Hmmm....there's a system in ME3 that is a system named Dis in Hades Gamma. Jartar in that system was the planet the batarians found the Leviathan. (Thus the Dis portion of the name...) Later a hanar team goes in and steals reaper tech. One operative eventually becomes indoctrinated to help the Reapers to shut down the hanar's defense grid. (The Hanar Shep called a BIG STUPID JELLYFISH) So I don't think that being indoctrinated by the Leviathan will be good. And it is proven that Leviathan will get in Sheps mind...

[demersel]

While we're on the subject of Arrival - in the Art Of Mass Effect artbookk (not the one with CE. THe big one) - there is a page about designing Arrival. Originally the project base in Arrival was supposed to be underwater, and not on the asteroid. There is an artwork of underwater base with sharks. Given that it was set in batarian space, i think it is safe to assume, that originally it was meant to deal with the Leviathan of dis subplot, but then they went more of the Mirror to Bring Down the Sky way (which in my opinion is pure genuis). Saving the underwater thing for later.

[N7L4D]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hope you sister is going to get better Estebanus. Take care and night.

Oh, she'll get better, trust me. And when she goes back... heads will roll... Oh yes, they will...

Hahahahahah 
Bailey, estebanus is clearly insane! Lol jk

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

While we're on the subject of Arrival - in the Art Of Mass Effect artbookk (not the one with CE. THe big one) - there is a page about designing Arrival. Originally the project base in Arrival was supposed to be underwater, and not on the asteroid. There is an artwork of underwater base with sharks. Given that it was set in batarian space, i think it is safe to assume, that originally it was meant to deal with the Leviathan of dis subplot, but then they went more of the Mirror to Bring Down the Sky way (which in my opinion is pure genuis). Saving the underwater thing for later.

I think you may be right about that, but I don't understand how Shepard could have blown up the relay from underwater

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hmmm....there's a system in ME3 that is a system named Dis in Hades Gamma. Jartar in that system was the planet the batarians found the Leviathan. (Thus the Dis portion of the name...) Later a hanar team goes in and steals reaper tech. One operative eventually becomes indoctrinated to help the Reapers to shut down the hanar's defense grid. (The Hanar Shep called a BIG STUPID JELLYFISH) So I don't think that being indoctrinated by the Leviathan will be good. And it is proven that Leviathan will get in Sheps mind...

That is what I have been saying. Leviathan want's Shepard, as does Harbinger. So when Harbinger is starting to Indoctrinate Shepard, Leviathan creates Anderson, to fight back against TIM/Harbinger.

Also remember in the scripts Leviathan get's into Shepard's head, and even Liara can comfirm this, because of the leaked script. So what did Leviathan show/do to Shepard? I think Leivathan knew already, about what was going to happend to Shepard at the end, but did not want to tell Shepard, because it will cause Shepard to deni it, or believe that he/she is beindong slowly Indoctrinated, and thus will kill him/her self. Like Saren did, and TIM.

I made this a while back.

Soveregin's avatar=Saren, but want's Shepard instead.

Harbinger's avatar= TIM, but want's Shepard instead.

Leviathan's avatar= Anderson, or Shepard. Want's Shepard to kill the Reapers.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 août 2012 - 11:14 .

[BansheeOwnage]

I'll be back later everyone. 

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I think you may be right about that, but I don't understand how Shepard could have blown up the relay from underwater

Well, that just indicates, thet the relay part of it came later, after it was decided to go with the mirror BDTS approach, and the story was changed to match it. And that in turn means that the core element of Arrival is Shepard falling under reaper influence in a secret facility.  

Modifié par demersel, 15 août 2012 - 11:20 .

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction , and TJBartlemus, or the Hackett get's a false report that somebody made it to
the Citadel. Think about it we have speculated, that Coats is either an
agent of the Reapers, or for Cerberus. Now it was he that says "God
they are all gone", and gave the full retreat. Now I think Shepard is
hearing this, while he/she is asleep/ being Indoctrinated by Harbinger.

Edit: Also when Shepard opens the Citadel, in his/her head, happence in reality, but it's not Shepard, or someone else opening the Citadel, it's the Reapers. I am not saying. that when Shepard fires the crucible happence, but that to me is not happening, at all in the real world.

Once Shepard wakes up in his/her dream, and goes up on the Citadel, that's
when we see the battle taking place in space. Now once we get to Hackett
looking out of the window, he get's a report about someone made it to
the Citadel, now that's impossible, since Coats said " My god they are
all gone."

So in my case, everything Shepard does in his/her
dream, up till Shepard meets the Catalyst is a hallucination/ dream.
You see after Shepard opens the Citadel in the fake Control room. That
is when Hackett is calling Shepard on his/her radio, since the Crucible
is not firing, and Hackett is telling Shepard all of this, while Shepard
is waking up.

Also I think that form the moment we see the space battle, and only the space battle, was in reality,but after Shepard goes the Citadel/to meet the Catalyst/harbinger, it's all fake/an hallucination/over lapin reality, with a dream.
Now once Shepard passes out Hackett stops all communications to Shepard because Harbinger destroys Shepard's radio so that nothing else would in danger the Indoctrination process any further.

Now
when Shepard wakes up in the Catalyst chambers, Shepard is seeing an
overlay of the beam run, but is hallucinating. Now when Shepard picks
Destroy, Harbinger continues to show Shepard the end result, in order to
keep Shepard occupied, so Harbinger can kill him/her.

Yet with Leviathan, he may stop Harbinger, from killing Shepard, and thus causing him/her, to wake up for real.

Now
if you don't have Leviathan the Normandy attackers Harbinger in the high
EMS Destroy ending, yet anything lower, than high EMS, Shepard dies, do
to the lack of war assets fighting the Reapers, and giving Shepard more
time to wake up.

Edit: Anyone can read this, just to be clear/respond to this.

Also

Crucible firing= Shepard's lymphatic system

The Relays= Shepard's reaction to the shock going through his/her body

The Galaxy= Shepard's brain

The Normandy= Shepard's body, and soul.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 août 2012 - 12:00 .