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[XxDarkTimexX]

demersel wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

demersel wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

i have a theory that i came up with that helps the indoctrination theory. 
                              


                                                                               Indoctrinated Eyes Theory


Indoctrination eyes is a small compared to all of the indoctrination theory but this theory is the one of the major ones that says Shepard is indoctrinated but read carefully about what I’m going to say. The only way to get indoctrinated eyes is for you to get indoctrinated and have reaper tech in you. With all you have been indoctrinated has been Saren Arterius, illusive man, and Commander Shepard. Those are the only ones that I found that have the eyes besides husk. For those who are indoctrinated will not get the eyes unless they have reaper tech in them self. If i left anything out just comment about it.

Thank you, Captain Obvious! 

hey calm down. some people don't believe this, and he makes a point, in order to understand IT, we need to break it down, like Simon did. we should give him a break. At least he, or she is trying to help us.

Simon did great by the way. Loved his post. 

does anyone have a link to simon's post

[XxDarkTimexX]

TJBartlemus wrote...

demersel wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

i have a theory that i came up with that helps the indoctrination theory. 
                              


                                                                               Indoctrinated Eyes Theory


Indoctrination eyes is a small compared to all of the indoctrination theory but this theory is the one of the major ones that says Shepard is indoctrinated but read carefully about what I’m going to say. The only way to get indoctrinated eyes is for you to get indoctrinated and have reaper tech in you. With all you have been indoctrinated has been Saren Arterius, illusive man, and Commander Shepard. Those are the only ones that I found that have the eyes besides husk. For those who are indoctrinated will not get the eyes unless they have reaper tech in them self. If i left anything out just comment about it.

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for your insightfull input!

Whoa. No need for the saracasm. He's probably new to the IT so don't be rough on the fact he doesn't know all the details yet. 

i'm not that new i havn't been on the forums all the time to see what other ITers are talking about all the time

[XxDarkTimexX]

TJBartlemus wrote...

demersel wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

i have a theory that i came up with that helps the indoctrination theory. 
                              


                                                                               Indoctrinated Eyes Theory


Indoctrination eyes is a small compared to all of the indoctrination theory but this theory is the one of the major ones that says Shepard is indoctrinated but read carefully about what I’m going to say. The only way to get indoctrinated eyes is for you to get indoctrinated and have reaper tech in you. With all you have been indoctrinated has been Saren Arterius, illusive man, and Commander Shepard. Those are the only ones that I found that have the eyes besides husk. For those who are indoctrinated will not get the eyes unless they have reaper tech in them self. If i left anything out just comment about it.

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for your insightfull input!

Whoa. No need for the saracasm. He's probably new to the IT so don't be rough on the fact he doesn't know all the details yet. 

i'm not that new i havn't been on the forums all the time to see what other ITers are talking about all the time

[MaximizedAction]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...
does anyone have a link to simon's post

It's in my sig now (it's that great)!

[XxDarkTimexX]

dam it i hate when it does that

[ebuchala]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

"Harbinger: Know this as you die in vain: Your time will come. Your species will fall."

Harbinger's language takes a strange turn here. The entire game he says that the Reapers will bring human species "ascension" or "evolution" or "salvation through destruction" or they will be "brought into harmony with our own." All of a sudden, Harbinger says that our species will fall, the exact opposite of ascension. I haven't made any conclusions yet from this change in language, but I think it deserves note.

Because English doesn't have plural second-person pronouns (grrrrrr...), it's also unclear whether he means "Your (species') time will come," or "Your (Shepard's) time will come."

Definitely some interesting stuff in there, as usual.  I have no idea how some people think Shepard's dreams have virtually no significance. That's just not how fiction works. Especially in games, where they have to create all of the assets for each scene. Also, +infinity for the bolded part.
Also, the dream description pretty much match Shepard's dreams perfectly. I'm pretty sure she even woke up in a cold sweat (kind of). The part about falling is a bit weird too. Not sure what to make of that yet either. Let me know if you do.

Taking this from a purely grammatical perspective, it should refer to Shepard. The statement Harby makes first is an imperative statement with an implied subject of "Shepard." "[Shepard] Know this as you die in vain." This means the "you" referred to in the prepositional phrase should also be Shepard. Which means that the "your" in "Your" time will come" should also, technically, refer to Shepard. However, based on the fact that even my children's first grade teachers don't seem to know proper grammar or spelling, I'm not really convinced that the writer(s) was using proper grammar. IOW, it's just as possible that they were referring to our species as a whole rather than just Shepard specifically.

Agree completely about the dream stuff. If you read through all of Harby's quotes in the wiki, there are some pretty bizarre ones. One about how the experiments will continue and other pretty strange things to say. I always just figured they were generic fillers (like Jack's "I will destroy you!" and Garrus' "Scratch one!") but they did pick some rather strange "filler" if that's the case.

http://masseffect.wi...)/Battle_Quotes

ETA: Typo

Modifié par ebuchala, 16 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[TJBartlemus]

Releasing control of this post. 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 16 août 2012 - 02:03 .

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Guys Shepard is fly's back words, and does not get a direct hit from harbinger.

look
at 4:01 between 4:04. now pause it at 4:04 Shepard is flying back
words, not getting hit by the death ray, but by causing Shepard to feel
the heat of the beam. In which case knocking Shepard back, and having
his/her armor Shredded/bleeding. Now why would Harbinger let Shepard
live. I already know why, but what do you think.

Now remember in the Destroy ending, when we use fly came, Shepard is flying back.

See and perfect symmetry like I talked about in earlier posts where in the beginning of ME3 you have a reaper beam doing directly down like the conduit, you have Shepard flying backward from a reaper blast, and Shepard hunched over just like at the end of ME3, symmetry ftw.

Otter.

I just like it too, Otter. Also doesn't the scene pick up/your squad
getting hurt, remind you of the beginning of ME3. i mean the the
Alliance leaders, that are there, have the same injures, as our squad
does, at the end.


www.youtube.com/watch

Notice, when Shepard get's knocked back, it reminds me of what is happening, in the picture above, and the beam hit on Shepard, by Harbinger.

Pause it at 9:20 and take a look.

Also Notice Shepard hits a bench, that looks like the bench in his/her dreams.
pause it at 9:21

And Anderson calling Shepard's name, is weird because when Shepard is knocked out, at the end, the first thing Shepard hears, is Anderson calling his/her name.

pause it at 9:53, looks like the same wounds, our squad get's by the mako crash/explosion.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 août 2012 - 02:10 .

[munnellyladt]

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

[masster blaster]

munnellyladt wrote...

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

That is why I think leviathan created Anderson, from Shepard's memorys. Think about it, without help from Leviathan, Shepard is doomed to fail. It is true. Without our Squad/ the Normandy, Shepard is nothing without help. Sure, we could have done some stuff without our Squad/The Normandy, but in the end Shepard has his/her squad, with him/her. So Leviathan helps Shepard out while Harbinger restarts the indoctrination.

And when Anderson dies. Leviathan has only one card left to play,  hope that Shepard picks Destroy, so he can kick Harbinger out of Shepard's head, and while Shepard is look at the things to come. Leviathan is fighting Harbinger, unless you have mid/low EMS, then Leviathan, get's over runned, by the other Reapers, and dies.

And if you don't have Leviathan, then the Normandy is fighting Harbinger, while Shepard wakes up, and maybe Shepard's morals/friends managed to break the indoctriation attempt.

or if you don't have Leviathan, Shepard's only hope, is that Anderson made it to the Citadel, and is here with Shepard. Harbinger sees this as a threat, and creates TIm, out of Shepard's memories. Thus we have to listen to the egos, tell Shepard/ you the player, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 août 2012 - 02:26 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Guys Shepard is fly's back words, and does not get a direct hit from harbinger.

look
at 4:01 between 4:04. now pause it at 4:04 Shepard is flying back
words, not getting hit by the death ray, but by causing Shepard to feel
the heat of the beam. In which case knocking Shepard back, and having
his/her armor Shredded/bleeding. Now why would Harbinger let Shepard
live. I already know why, but what do you think.

Now remember in the Destroy ending, when we use fly came, Shepard is flying back.

See and perfect symmetry like I talked about in earlier posts where in the beginning of ME3 you have a reaper beam doing directly down like the conduit, you have Shepard flying backward from a reaper blast, and Shepard hunched over just like at the end of ME3, symmetry ftw.

Ah, and what happens next? Anderson helping him up, right?

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

That is why I think leviathan created Anderson, from Shepard's memorys. Think about it, without help from Leviathan, Shepard is doomed to fail. It is true. Without our Squad/ the Normandy, Shepard is nothing without help. Sure, we could have done some stuff without our Squad/The Normandy, but in the end Shepard has his/her squad, with him/her. So Leviathan helps Shepard out while Harbinger restarts the indoctrination.

And when Anderson dies. Leviathan has only one card left to play,  hope that Shepard picks Destroy, so he can kick Harbinger out of Shepard's head, and while Shepard is look at the things to come. Leviathan is fighting Harbinger, unless you have mid/low EMS, then Leviathan, get's over runned, by the other Reapers, and dies.

And if you don't have Leviathan, then the Normandy is fighting Harbinger, while Shepard wakes up, and maybe Shepard's morals/friends managed to break the indoctriation attempt.

or if you don't have Leviathan, Shepard's only hope, is that Anderson made it to the Citadel, and is here with Shepard. Harbinger sees this as a threat, and creates TIm, out of Shepard's memories. Thus we have to listen to the egos, tell Shepard/ you the player, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Curve ball for you MB. What if Shepard never meets Leviathan and doesn't know he existed? That would mean Leviathan wouldn't be valid in the ending without having the DLC which all of BSN doesn't at this time. 

My opinion is that Leviathan doesn't directly affect the endings. Or what Shepard sees. 

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

That is why I think leviathan created Anderson, from Shepard's memorys. Think about it, without help from Leviathan, Shepard is doomed to fail. It is true. Without our Squad/ the Normandy, Shepard is nothing without help. Sure, we could have done some stuff without our Squad/The Normandy, but in the end Shepard has his/her squad, with him/her. So Leviathan helps Shepard out while Harbinger restarts the indoctrination.

And when Anderson dies. Leviathan has only one card left to play,  hope that Shepard picks Destroy, so he can kick Harbinger out of Shepard's head, and while Shepard is look at the things to come. Leviathan is fighting Harbinger, unless you have mid/low EMS, then Leviathan, get's over runned, by the other Reapers, and dies.

And if you don't have Leviathan, then the Normandy is fighting Harbinger, while Shepard wakes up, and maybe Shepard's morals/friends managed to break the indoctriation attempt.

or if you don't have Leviathan, Shepard's only hope, is that Anderson made it to the Citadel, and is here with Shepard. Harbinger sees this as a threat, and creates TIm, out of Shepard's memories. Thus we have to listen to the egos, tell Shepard/ you the player, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Curve ball for you MB. What if Shepard never meets Leviathan and doesn't know he existed? That would mean Leviathan wouldn't be valid in the ending without having the DLC which all of BSN doesn't at this time. 

My opinion is that Leviathan doesn't directly affect the endings. Or what Shepard sees. 

That is what I said. If you don't HAVE Leviathan this happens.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 août 2012 - 02:31 .

[Gwyphon]

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

That is why I think leviathan created Anderson, from Shepard's memorys. Think about it, without help from Leviathan, Shepard is doomed to fail. It is true. Without our Squad/ the Normandy, Shepard is nothing without help. Sure, we could have done some stuff without our Squad/The Normandy, but in the end Shepard has his/her squad, with him/her. So Leviathan helps Shepard out while Harbinger restarts the indoctrination.

And when Anderson dies. Leviathan has only one card left to play,  hope that Shepard picks Destroy, so he can kick Harbinger out of Shepard's head, and while Shepard is look at the things to come. Leviathan is fighting Harbinger, unless you have mid/low EMS, then Leviathan, get's over runned, by the other Reapers, and dies.

And if you don't have Leviathan, then the Normandy is fighting Harbinger, while Shepard wakes up, and maybe Shepard's morals/friends managed to break the indoctriation attempt.

or if you don't have Leviathan, Shepard's only hope, is that Anderson made it to the Citadel, and is here with Shepard. Harbinger sees this as a threat, and creates TIm, out of Shepard's memories. Thus we have to listen to the egos, tell Shepard/ you the player, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Curve ball for you MB. What if Shepard never meets Leviathan and doesn't know he existed? That would mean Leviathan wouldn't be valid in the ending without having the DLC which all of BSN doesn't at this time. 

My opinion is that Leviathan doesn't directly affect the endings. Or what Shepard sees. 

That is what I said. If you don't HAVE Leviathan this happens.

What if you don't have arival? The reapers come through the relay? No, they stated the DLC was canon.

With this said, I don't think Leviathan will add anything to the ending except possibly understanding. You can still blindly flail through the endings without it.

[masster blaster]

Gwyphon wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Masster:Yes it is in alot of ways like the start of the game and could it be that the attempt at the indoctrination was meant to happen to shep there and then because if anderson wasn't there to wake shepup then maybe the struggle could have started at the start of the game.

That is why I think leviathan created Anderson, from Shepard's memorys. Think about it, without help from Leviathan, Shepard is doomed to fail. It is true. Without our Squad/ the Normandy, Shepard is nothing without help. Sure, we could have done some stuff without our Squad/The Normandy, but in the end Shepard has his/her squad, with him/her. So Leviathan helps Shepard out while Harbinger restarts the indoctrination.

And when Anderson dies. Leviathan has only one card left to play,  hope that Shepard picks Destroy, so he can kick Harbinger out of Shepard's head, and while Shepard is look at the things to come. Leviathan is fighting Harbinger, unless you have mid/low EMS, then Leviathan, get's over runned, by the other Reapers, and dies.

And if you don't have Leviathan, then the Normandy is fighting Harbinger, while Shepard wakes up, and maybe Shepard's morals/friends managed to break the indoctriation attempt.

or if you don't have Leviathan, Shepard's only hope, is that Anderson made it to the Citadel, and is here with Shepard. Harbinger sees this as a threat, and creates TIm, out of Shepard's memories. Thus we have to listen to the egos, tell Shepard/ you the player, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Curve ball for you MB. What if Shepard never meets Leviathan and doesn't know he existed? That would mean Leviathan wouldn't be valid in the ending without having the DLC which all of BSN doesn't at this time. 

My opinion is that Leviathan doesn't directly affect the endings. Or what Shepard sees. 

That is what I said. If you don't HAVE Leviathan this happens.

What if you don't have arival? The reapers come through the relay? No, they stated the DLC was canon.

With this said, I don't think Leviathan will add anything to the ending except possibly understanding. You can still blindly flail through the endings without it.

yes i understand, what you are saying, but I am just saying, this could happen. This could be like the puzzle theory, mixing with IT. Leviathan understanding, what's happening, at the end, plus more information, on the Reapers.

Also Even without Arrival, there are still ways, that Harbinger has up his selves.
Think about this, how long, was Shepard out, once harbinger knocks Shepard out?

it
could have been at least on hour, since Shepard was on the ground, defenseless against Harbinger. Enof time to let harbinger do his master
plan to Indoctrinate Shepard.

Also the dream scenes. They could
be indoctrination attempts on Shepard while he/she was sleeping. And
notice Shepard is knocked out at the end, when Harbinger semi hits
Shepard. Shepard could be having a nightmare, and wakes up in Destroy,
if he/she has the guts to do it, and kill the Reaper hold over Shepard.

If not Indoctrination, then everything happen in real life in ME3, and that's it.

Or Shepard is seeing things, and maybe while Shepard is asleep/knocked out, Shepard activates the Crucible, and that's it.

Lot's of theory's, and lot's of Speculations.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 août 2012 - 03:01 .

[masster blaster]

Well good night everyone, and happy speculating.

[halbert986]

In the middle of replaying the ending just because im bored, and I noticed something...

In the last dream sequence you have just before the cerberus assault, the last voice to "whisper" at you is harbinger. He says "Shepard" then you and the kid burn up. I originally thought it was wrex, but upon closer examination and louder volume I distinctly recognize it as harbinger.

Perhaps I'm late to the plate with this little snippet, but I thought it interesting. Good ol harby has a line after all!

[Galifreya]

halbert986 wrote...

In the middle of replaying the ending just because im bored, and I noticed something...

In the last dream sequence you have just before the cerberus assault, the last voice to "whisper" at you is harbinger. He says "Shepard" then you and the kid burn up. I originally thought it was wrex, but upon closer examination and louder volume I distinctly recognize it as harbinger.

Perhaps I'm late to the plate with this little snippet, but I thought it interesting. Good ol harby has a line after all!

I didn't know. I'll have to listen for it next time. Are you sure it's not someone else saying "Shepard"?

[Leonia]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Guys Shepard is fly's back words, and does not get a direct hit from harbinger.

look
at 4:01 between 4:04. now pause it at 4:04 Shepard is flying back
words, not getting hit by the death ray, but by causing Shepard to feel
the heat of the beam. In which case knocking Shepard back, and having
his/her armor Shredded/bleeding. Now why would Harbinger let Shepard
live. I already know why, but what do you think.

Now remember in the Destroy ending, when we use fly came, Shepard is flying back.

See and perfect symmetry like I talked about in earlier posts where in the beginning of ME3 you have a reaper beam doing directly down like the conduit, you have Shepard flying backward from a reaper blast, and Shepard hunched over just like at the end of ME3, symmetry ftw.

Ah, and what happens next? Anderson helping him up, right?

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN

What if it goes even further than that? I always thought it strange that the VS is injured at nearly the start of the game, almost fatally so. What if it is really Shepard that is mortally wounded and needs to be taken for medical treatment? Firebase Vancouver is obviously a hospital where a fight broke out. Just throwing ideas out there.

As I have said before, be on the look out for parallels and deja vu in Leviathan, things like the shuttle crashing might be clues.

[plfranke]

leonia42 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Guys Shepard is fly's back words, and does not get a direct hit from harbinger.

look
at 4:01 between 4:04. now pause it at 4:04 Shepard is flying back
words, not getting hit by the death ray, but by causing Shepard to feel
the heat of the beam. In which case knocking Shepard back, and having
his/her armor Shredded/bleeding. Now why would Harbinger let Shepard
live. I already know why, but what do you think.

Now remember in the Destroy ending, when we use fly came, Shepard is flying back.

See and perfect symmetry like I talked about in earlier posts where in the beginning of ME3 you have a reaper beam doing directly down like the conduit, you have Shepard flying backward from a reaper blast, and Shepard hunched over just like at the end of ME3, symmetry ftw.

Ah, and what happens next? Anderson helping him up, right?

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN

What if it goes even further than that? I always thought it strange that the VS is injured at nearly the start of the game, almost fatally so. What if it is really Shepard that is mortally wounded and needs to be taken for medical treatment? Firebase Vancouver is obviously a hospital where a fight broke out. Just throwing ideas out there.

As I have said before, be on the look out for parallels and deja vu in Leviathan, things like the shuttle crashing might be clues.

that would be so great. it would be like that horrible game never happened

[Jusseb]

I'm keeping myself on a distance with my expectations on Leviathan.

I truly hope that it is the DLC that we are waiting for. Or maybe another disapointment.

[halbert986]

Gallifreya wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

In the middle of replaying the ending just because im bored, and I noticed something...

In the last dream sequence you have just before the cerberus assault, the last voice to "whisper" at you is harbinger. He says "Shepard" then you and the kid burn up. I originally thought it was wrex, but upon closer examination and louder volume I distinctly recognize it as harbinger.

Perhaps I'm late to the plate with this little snippet, but I thought it interesting. Good ol harby has a line after all!

I didn't know. I'll have to listen for it next time. Are you sure it's not someone else saying "Shepard"?

It sounded exactly like him. In fact the only reason I noticed it was because I recently watched a video that is just 5 mins of harbinger quotes. And it sounded exactly like that. Anyway, it's deep, synthy, and sharp. Hard on the way in, crisp on the way out. Shepard.

I'm not sure if it always happens right then and there or not, I'll have to revisit it. It's conveniently located though so that should be easy.

[Norlond]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah, and what happens next? Anderson helping him up, right?

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN

Wouldn't that be a repetition, and not a 'real' symmetry?
With > as a sequence of actions, we have > < if you think about it:
Beggining: Lots of talking, Beam, Anderson helping up, Running, Fighting
End: Fighting, Running, Squad getting hit, Beam, (fighting marauder shields,) Lots of talking

Only things that don't fit are the Anderson helping up part and the Squad getting hit part

I hope I'm wrong about it though, because the next part being Anderson helping Shep up would be awesome