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[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
So, first a dream, then a hallucination.

That's an interesting idea.

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Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 17 août 2012 - 12:07 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Shamelessly reposting theory:

First a dream, then a hallucination. Why?

When Harbinger's beam hits Shepard, she loses consciousness. The first part we see, is a dream. Getting to the citadel, the conversation with TIM and Anderson, the familiar features of the Shadow-Broker ship, etc. It's a dream, that's why your surroundings don't resemble your London surroundings but only things from your past. Shepard is unconscious near the London beam. When Shep loses consciousness in the dream, after the conversation with TIM and Anderson, is when the dream fades. (Maybe this even means Shepard is dying in reality)

The dream may actually be part of the Indoctrination OR! It could really be a legitimate dream of Shepard's unconsciousness warning her for the moment that is coming. *goosebumps*

When Starbinger says 'Wake up', Shepard actually regains consciousness and finds herself near the beam, still in London. This is why the decision chamber looks so very much like the surroundings of the London conduit. It's Harbinger, waking Shep up, and projecting the kid into his mind, meanwhile subtly altering the perception of your surroundings.

But you will ask: "But if Shep never goes up to the Citadel, how will the Crucible dock?"... well, this is why Hacket says in the EC: "Someone made it to the Citadel." He doesn't say Shepard made it. And this someone (maybe Anderson) opened the arms.

Control - Shep walks over to the Reaperish device that can be seen in the background in the breath scene, and submits herself to the machine that is some kind of Indoctrination device. This would be situated on the left side of the beam.

Destroy - Shep starts shooting at some tube that blows up, overloads the conduit, which continues to send a hyper-charge up to the Citadel where it will cause a chain reaction and blow up the Crucible, which is basically a huge synthetics-killing superbomb.

IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE AN ENDING TO THE GAME. (one that plays out more or less exactly like we have seen!)

Synthesis - Shep throws herself into the beam and is sent up to be processed or implanted, or maybe she will be suspended in the beam while Harbinger 'assumes direct control' and does whatever vile deed he wants to do. Add Shepard's mind to his private collection, absorbs Shepard, merges minds.... something like that.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 août 2012 - 12:15 .

[DJBare]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Destroy - Shep starts shooting at some tube that blows up, overloads the conduit, which continues to send a hyper-charge up to the Citadel where it will cause a chain reaction and blow up the Crucible, which is basically a huge synthetics-killing superbomb.

IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE AN ENDING TO THE GAME. (one that plays out more or less exactly like we have seen!)

So an off button which needs a pistol, I lost faith in the destroy option since they introduced reject in the EC, now all three of the original choices look like the wrong path, reject does not look appealing either, but it does say to the reapers "screw you!"

[BansheeOwnage]

DJBare wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Destroy - Shep starts shooting at some tube that blows up, overloads the conduit, which continues to send a hyper-charge up to the Citadel where it will cause a chain reaction and blow up the Crucible, which is basically a huge synthetics-killing superbomb.

IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE AN ENDING TO THE GAME. (one that plays out more or less exactly like we have seen!)

So an off button which needs a pistol, I lost faith in the destroy option since they introduced reject in the EC, now all three of the original choices look like the wrong path, reject does not look appealing either, but it does say to the reapers "screw you!"

Yeah, none of the choices are too appealing. I hope refuse will become more appealing through DLC. Anyway, I'm off for now, so I'll see everyone later.

[spotlessvoid]

If I was Harbs, I'd make that tube look like Liara. What kind of monster could shoot that pretty face. The same kind willing to kill Mordin

[ebuchala]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I really don't know what that could mean. What I do find odd about the elevator is that it doesn't appear in the floor of the control room or the decision chamber, nor does the roof have room for it to fit. First time I played through that I was like "WTF?" Another thing is it seems like Shepard's limbs would be cut off but the elevator sealing with the floor.

I cringe in a huge way every time I see that scene because there's no way Shepard's hand would survive the elevator reaching the upper floor. 

[DJBare]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If I was Harbs, I'd make that tube look like Liara. What kind of monster could shoot that pretty face. The same kind willing to kill Mordin

Let's do the calculus, one life for billions, Traynor is my favorite but I'd still shoot even if the image was of her, it would gut me if I had to, but it's also selfish to think of yourself when billions of lives are at stake.

[ZerebusPrime]

I generally consider dreams to be hallucinations of a sort. The question is at what point the hallucination becomes decidedly unnatural and clearly guided by outside powers.

I still prefer the idea that walking to the beam is a normal hallucination, but waking up on the citadel (starting with the defibrillator sound) is the work of Harbinger. After that, everything is an organically constructed reality, first from Shepard's own memories while the Reapers fine tune their signal and finally in a carefully constructed decision chamber of the Reapers' own design.

In Control, Shepard's mind is sufficiently weakened to be used to helm the next human reaper.

In Synthesis, Shepard's mind is both weakened and perfectly attenuated to the Reaper's goals, prompting an overwhelming pleasure response in the way of visions of utopia.

And then in Destroy we beat them the hell out of our brains.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 17 août 2012 - 12:48 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

MIND = BLOWN

GUYS!!!!!!

I just made the most amazing discovery!

The whole 'dream theory' had me thinking about that sequence with TIM and Anderson on the Citadel. TSA and others were talking about how times goes much slower in dreams, right?

Suddenly I had this amazing idea. I went to youtube, found the sound of the Reaper horn and recorded it in Audition. Resampled the wave by stretching it, guess what? I got that exact same sound effect you hear when TIM is talking to you and you see the black corners of the screen.

So I needed confirmation. Found the citadel scene, recorded that Indoctrination sound, upsampled it by compressing the wave...what do I get? That's right. A mother******* Reaper Horn. EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Someone suggest me a way to share the sounds with you guys and I will.

It's a REAPER that's indoctrinating you, not TIM. It's a freaking Reaper horn! You're just hearing it at a slower pace and lower pitch, because you're dreaming! It's Harbinger!

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 août 2012 - 12:50 .

[Skeem]

munnellyladt wrote...

You know what people forget?
Why the kid looks like the kid.

What I mean is since he the form of the kid that only shepard has seen,
He is obiously IN SHEPS HEAD.
So I don't see why he wouldn't tinker with shep's head while he's in there.

What I'm getting at is. If the voice is the same, can we assume it is the same 'entity', 50000 years in the future, talking to someone else?

[spotlessvoid]

Brain =Kaboom

[spotlessvoid]

It doesn't have to be in Sheps head. Catalyst could just be projecting itself in an image it gleaned from Sheps mind.

[spotlessvoid]

DJBare:
I meant it in way that fools Shep into thinking the tube isn't even an option to choose from

[spotlessvoid]

DD...can you make a YouTube video showing the video and sound compare it with the citadel indoc sound. Wavelength screen capture would be important

Edit: nothing to slow down lol

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 août 2012 - 01:03 .

[DJBare]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It's a REAPER that's indoctrinating you, not TIM. It's a freaking Reaper horn! You're just hearing it at a slower pace and lower pitch, because you're dreaming! It's Harbinger!

I know I mentioned it back some time ago, so did others, TIM is a pawn, the reapers are using him to communicate with Shepard, some of us accept it's not TIM controlling Shepard and Anderson, TIM may have worked out how to gain that kind of control but it's the reapers using it.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I have no idea how to make a video... I suppose that involves getting Fraps and recording what I'm doing. But I have no video editing tools.

I can however upload the sounds somewhere, All you need is the original sound and the upsampled sound. You can hear Shepard moaning in the background in both versions. I just need a place to upload them. Any suggestions?

I'm not kidding you, this is evidence! There's a Reaper horn blaring in your mind when you have the TIM/Anderson convo!

[spotlessvoid]

The idea that TIM figured something out the Reaperscouldn't overccountless cycles never say well with me.

[DJBare]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The idea that TIM figured something out the Reaperscouldn't overccountless cycles never say well with me.

I agree, which makes that scene an illusion to me, Shepard has nearly always known that TIM wants control, so it makes sense for that to play out in a reaper induced hallucination, I just cannot get it out of my head that Shepard in reality did not even make it to the citadel, the entirety of the game goes awry after Shepard get knocked by a blast from Harby.

[Hrothdane]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I have no idea how to make a video... I suppose that involves getting Fraps and recording what I'm doing. But I have no video editing tools.

I can however upload the sounds somewhere, All you need is the original sound and the upsampled sound. You can hear Shepard moaning in the background in both versions. I just need a place to upload them. Any suggestions?

I'm not kidding you, this is evidence! There's a Reaper horn blaring in your mind when you have the TIM/Anderson convo!

I use the built in FRAPS feature on the Gamebooster beta. You can use it to take screenshots, too.

[spotlessvoid]

DD sorry no suggestions, but def important. Common knowledge there is Reaper growls during that scene, but that's not what you are referring to right?

[DoomsdayDevice]

I've got 4 sound files:

1. Citadel Convo Sound Effect - Original
2. Citadel Convo Sound Effect - Resampled
3. Reaper Horn - Original
4. Reaper Horn - Resampled

You'll be able to hear for yourselves. The sound you hear when confronting TIM is a Reaper horn, just sampled down. Upsample that sound, you get a Reaper horn. Downsample the Reaper horn, you get that sound.

Conclusive evidence that there's a Reaper in your head when you're "on the citadel".

I'll put them in a zip. Where should I upload them?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Hrothdane wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I have no idea how to make a video... I suppose that involves getting Fraps and recording what I'm doing. But I have no video editing tools.

I can however upload the sounds somewhere, All you need is the original sound and the upsampled sound. You can hear Shepard moaning in the background in both versions. I just need a place to upload them. Any suggestions?

I'm not kidding you, this is evidence! There's a Reaper horn blaring in your mind when you have the TIM/Anderson convo!

I use the built in FRAPS feature on the Gamebooster beta. You can use it to take screenshots, too.

Gamebooster beta? I'm not familiar with that.

[spotlessvoid]

Anyone here have the tools to present this in an easily accessible format? Lot of people won't be willing to do more than click a YouTube link, and this definitely merits wider coverage, especially amongst the anti IT crowd

Whatever happened to Hellish Fiend? Didn't he do the infrasound analysis video? It would be interesting to see what shows up during that horn

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 août 2012 - 01:29 .

[agmrpink]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I have no idea how to make a video... I suppose that involves getting Fraps and recording what I'm doing. But I have no video editing tools.

I can however upload the sounds somewhere, All you need is the original sound and the upsampled sound. You can hear Shepard moaning in the background in both versions. I just need a place to upload them. Any suggestions?

I'm not kidding you, this is evidence! There's a Reaper horn blaring in your mind when you have the TIM/Anderson convo!

I use the built in FRAPS feature on the Gamebooster beta. You can use it to take screenshots, too.

Gamebooster beta? I'm not familiar with that.

You could open Windows Movie Maker and use the audio files as the "soundtrack," with a captioned image as the video per track. Then output it as whatever files are compatible with YouTube, be it .avi, .mp4, or .wmv.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I just downloaded FRAPS. However, I somehow can't get it to start recording. I checked all my settings, they're fine. It's just not responding to the hotkey.I tried several.

Is this because it's a free version/trial or something? I got it from FRAPS.com.