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[DoomsdayDevice]

MaximizedAction wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

DoomsdayDevice, can you check this sound? Probably you'll get something like this.

Yeah,
that once's super interesting! To me, it sounds like Harbinger is
really in your head, because it's like a whispeer and doesn't sound as
if it were from a far away source.

I'll have to check it later, I'm really busy right now.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll get back to you on it. =)

New page, reposting my find:



(Sound effect in TIM/Anderson scene is a Reaper horn, only slowed down!)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 août 2012 - 12:30 .

[CoolioThane]

How can that be explained literally Doomsday?

I don't think that it can

[Priss Blackburne]

If your interested in playing with the sounds I recommend using the sound ripper utility to use the sound files by themselves. takes a while to find the right sound files but it's interesting to play around with them. how I made my video about the reaper sound.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9321886/

www.youtube.com/watch

[DoomsdayDevice]

I only have the game on 360, so I record my sounds from YouTube clips.

CoolioThane wrote...

How can that be explained literally Doomsday?

I don't think that it can

Indeed. It's proof that there's a Reaper in your head, not TIM.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 août 2012 - 01:18 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

If your interested in playing with the sounds I recommend using the sound ripper utility to use the sound files by themselves. takes a while to find the right sound files but it's interesting to play around with them. how I made my video about the reaper sound.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9321886/

www.youtube.com/watch

Ah, so it was brought up before.

Apologies, I had no idea someone already did that. I thought we had only been speculating that it might be a Reaper sound. =)

[Priss Blackburne]

yeah started fooling around with the sound files trying to see what Harby says during the EC scene. Got no where with that but got me speeding up or slowing down other sounds and found it.

The dream sequence sounds even have lines from previous mass effect games, said by I'm guessing if they are dead squadmates. I was hoping for something better from the dream files but couldn't find anything.

Think I even tried reversing some sounds from reapers and husk speak but didn't find anything.

[MaximizedAction]

CoolioThane wrote...

How can that be explained literally Doomsday?

I don't think that it can

Second hand indoctrination (unprecendented, so further 'space magic'*);
TIM's ability to indoctrinate is supposed to be not as refined as the Reapers' and so is portraid in the form of slowed Reaper sounds;

The latter, if I understand the lore correctly, leads back to space magic, too, because TIM's indoc. ability looks too naive (indoctrination is not just puppeteering, that's an simplification/abstraction).


*) And by now, I defined 'space magic' to myself, to also be consistent as good as possible, as the equivalent to "the Guardian is legit".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[smokingotter1]

Ha the overlay hypothesis is picking up steam thanks to doomsday!

So people ask if the goal is to get to the beam why does reaching the beam lead to synthesis? Is the beam a indoctrination device?

1. NO it's not an indoctrination device.
2. Yes reaching the beam in the decision chamber is indoctrination.

How can we reconcile these two statements I just made. (rubs otter head) I'll try to explain this as best as I can.

The decision chamber is an overlay of reality. It's a REAPER overlay of reality. The reapers are giving Shepard an option of continuing into the citadel, but only if he truly and totally submits to their way of thinking.

It's like having a prisoner of war in a jail, and the warden offers the prisoner food, but only if he gives up state secrets. If the prisoner eats the food he's given in. If the prisoner refuses to eat he dies, or in ME3 if Shepard refuses to move an inch on destroying the reapers...

Well destroy is heading in Harbinger's direction (there is a reason Shepard is carrying a carnifex which is roman for "executioner). By choosing destroy Shepard is essentially willingly walking to his death. Or to put it another way:

Harbinger is manipulating you and you don't even know it. You're already under its power. You could have fought (destroy) you could have resisted (control) instead you quit (synthesis)... I'd rather die than live like that (destroy).

Destroy is attempted suicide by Harbinger's beam.

See this picture. That Is Not a Tube Exploding. It's Harbinger's beam and reality leaking into Shepard's overlay of reality, same reason his gun changes A reaper beam creates the same oily black effect when it hits the ground.



And in most cases Shepard does die, unless your EMS is high enough something interrupts Harbinger... but what could that be?

Modifié par smokingotter1, 17 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[MaximizedAction]

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snipety-snap*

Boy that interpretation reads bitter. But how is Control refusing? You become indoctrinated. And if so, what about the EC epilogues? Are they real then or not? (according to your interpretation)

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 août 2012 - 01:54 .

[smokingotter1]

MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snipety-snap*

Boy that interpretation reads bitter. But how is Control refusing? You become indoctrinated. And if so, what about the EC epilogues? Are they real then or not? (according to your interpretation)

Yeah my interpretation is a bit of a downer, but I'm 100% sure it's real. But there is more DLC coming folks, it ain't over yet.

I have two competing thoughts:
1. The epilogues are just 100% reaper induced visions
2. Some of the epilogues are real

Let me explain. Remember when the Stargazer said some of the details are lost in time, that's a play on words. What's he's really saying is:

A.Shepard chooses destroy.
B. (Blackout??????????????) somehow he activates the crucible, details lost in time
C. Epilogues

The idea being that DLC builds on the blackout period where we start learning HOW in fact Shepard activated the crucible. That way for destroy the endings stay the same, but we get citadel missions to get to the crucible.

The Normandy landing on dream planet is fake though either way, it's representative of Shepard's mind, it's a contrast to the reaper nightmares of a dead forrest, it's the haven he creates in his mind.

Even when TIM/Saren were indoctrinated there was still a little bit of their personality left. In control and synthesis Shepard's mind is trapped on dream planet, in destroy he wakes up.

One more story.

Edit: Also I'm really grumpy today for some reason if that's why you say I'm bitter, think I need a nap.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 17 août 2012 - 02:06 .

[CoolioThane]

I would be tempted of leaving Mass Effect until all the DLC comes out...but I love it so much I can't stay away from it at all. It's probably a sad indictment of my life I always have this thread open, whether it be on my brothers laptop (mine is still being repaired after I spilled lemonade onto it a feckin MONTH ago) or my phone...

...then I started playing through ME3 again and I bloody love it! I love it....just can't really face the **** at the end as it stands...I say ****, I mean if the literal was true, IT makes it awesome, but unfinished (and I can't stand unfinished things, like when Geordie Shore plays the opening beats of a song then changes it pisses me off)

I just want a satisfying, fitting end to Shepard and find out what the **** happens with my crew that I love. Is that too much to ask, really?

[MaximizedAction]

smokingotter1 wrote...
Yeah my interpretation is a bit of a downer, but I'm 100% sure it's real. But there is more DLC coming folks, it ain't over yet.

I have two competing thoughts:
1. The epilogues are just 100% reaper induced visions
2. Some of the epilogues are real

Let me explain. Remember when the Stargazer said some of the details are lost in time, that's a play on words. What's he's really saying is:

A.Shepard chooses destroy.
B. (Blackout??????????????) somehow he activates the crucible, details lost in time
C. Epilogues

The idea being that DLC builds on the blackout period where we start learning HOW in fact Shepard activated the crucible. That way for destroy the endings stay the same, but we get citadel missions to get to the crucible.

The Normandy landing on dream planet is fake though either way, it's representative of Shepard's mind, it's a contrast to the reaper nightmares of a dead forrest, it's the haven he creates in his mind.

Even when TIM/Saren were indoctrinated there was still a little bit of their personality left. In control and synthesis Shepard's mind is trapped on dream planet, in destroy he wakes up.

One more story.

Edit: Also I'm really grumpy today for some reason if that's why you say I'm bitter, think I need a nap.

No no, it's not how you wrote it.

On the one hand it does offer a nice way of keeping the endings as is, but only adding bits shortly before it. I agree with the Normandy landing being Shep's imagination. I especially like your comparison with the dead forest in the dreams vs. the very alive forest in the crash-landing.

It's bitter in the sense, that we'd be left with the final shot of Shepard being maybes alive, maybes not. I can only hope that we will find out about Liara or Garrus (if the epilogue slides are partially real).

CoolioThane wrote...

I would be tempted of leaving Mass Effect until all the DLC comes out...but I love it so much I can't stay away from it at all. It's probably a sad indictment of my life I always have this thread open, whether it be on my brothers laptop (mine is still being repaired after I spilled lemonade onto it a feckin MONTH ago) or my phone...

...then I started playing through ME3 again and I bloody love it! I love it....just can't really face the **** at the end as it stands...I say ****, I mean if the literal was true, IT makes it awesome, but unfinished (and I can't stand unfinished things, like when Geordie Shore plays the opening beats of a song then changes it pisses me off)

I just want a satisfying, fitting end to Shepard and find out what the **** happens with my crew that I love. Is that too much to ask, really?

No, it's pretty much the same with me. I always skip a heart beat when I accidently close the tab with this thread. Yes, it's sad .

And if I'm asked for the one thing that would help me put the game aside, it would be finally having that little feeling of accomplishment I had at the end of ME1. THEN, I'd be satisfied and will be able to finally move on. Right now, it sucks.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad there's the MP to keep me busy.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 août 2012 - 02:18 .

[smokingotter1]

MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
Yeah my interpretation is a bit of a downer, but I'm 100% sure it's real. But there is more DLC coming folks, it ain't over yet.

I have two competing thoughts:
1. The epilogues are just 100% reaper induced visions
2. Some of the epilogues are real

Let me explain. Remember when the Stargazer said some of the details are lost in time, that's a play on words. What's he's really saying is:

A.Shepard chooses destroy.
B. (Blackout??????????????) somehow he activates the crucible, details lost in time
C. Epilogues

The idea being that DLC builds on the blackout period where we start learning HOW in fact Shepard activated the crucible. That way for destroy the endings stay the same, but we get citadel missions to get to the crucible.

The Normandy landing on dream planet is fake though either way, it's representative of Shepard's mind, it's a contrast to the reaper nightmares of a dead forrest, it's the haven he creates in his mind.

Even when TIM/Saren were indoctrinated there was still a little bit of their personality left. In control and synthesis Shepard's mind is trapped on dream planet, in destroy he wakes up.

One more story.

Edit: Also I'm really grumpy today for some reason if that's why you say I'm bitter, think I need a nap.

No no, it's not how you wrote it.

On the one hand it does offer a nice way of keeping the endings as is, but only adding bits shortly before it. I agree with the Normandy landing being Shep's imagination. I especially like your comparison with the dead forest in the dreams vs. the very alive forest in the crash-landing.

It's bitter in the sense, that we'd be left with the final shot of Shepard being maybes alive, maybes not. I can only hope that we will find out about Liara or Garrus (if the epilogue slides are partially real).

The reason I came up with this POV view is because you have to see things through Harbinger's POV. Harbinger just wasted a bunch of humans (Harby does not miss a shot). 

Harby wants Shepard, but he won't take the chance of Shepard getting up to the beam unless he opens his mind and submits. If the reapers are going to give Shepard an overlay of reality you think they are going to make it fair? Hell no. The decison chamber is NOT FAIR at all, and it shouldn't be, it's a trap with each choice.

Also why the beam dries up in destroy/refuse, the beam is a way to get to the citadel, but it's also a trap. Once Shepard chooses destroy and Harbinger fails to indoctrinate Shepard there is no reason to keep the beam open.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who knocks out Harbinger.

Edit: Also why is synthesis only open with a high EMS. Because if you have a high EMS your Shepard has demonstrated through his/her decisions a desire to unite the galaxy. Synthesis is the representation of true unity, and is more and more tempting offer to your Shepard the more your Shepard unites the galaxy. No matter how stupid it sounds your Shepard has probably fought all over the galaxy to bring peace to everyone, he/she will be more desperate for a "perfect" answer.
 
Edit 2: And thus you have the epic ending to ME3, everyone ends on a low note, no one ends on a high note, the audience is left with more questions than answers, and it all ends on a cliff hanger. That's how you try to keep your fans hooked  on the story. That's why you all are here. Bioware: "see you all in a year for the conclusion" (parts paraphrased Jeremy Jahns Empire Strikes back youtube vid)

Modifié par smokingotter1, 17 août 2012 - 02:52 .

[Big_Boss9]

smokingotter1 wrote...
Edit 2: And thus you have the epic ending to ME3, everyone ends on a low note, no one ends on a high note, the audience is left with more questions than answers, and it all ends on a cliff hanger. That's how you try to keep your fans hooked  on the story. That's why you all are here. Casey Hudson: "see you all in a year for the conclusion" (parts paraphrased Jeremy Jahns Empire Strikes back youtube vid)

And that's where the "Bioware tripped and fell over their execution" comes in because most people aren't waiting for more and don't expect a "real" conclusion. Frankly, I don't either, but I enjoy the interpretation as much as anyone else in this thread.

[spinachdiaper]

What if IT indoctrinates the BSN oh wait it already has

[smokingotter1]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
Edit 2: And thus you have the epic ending to ME3, everyone ends on a low note, no one ends on a high note, the audience is left with more questions than answers, and it all ends on a cliff hanger. That's how you try to keep your fans hooked  on the story. That's why you all are here. Casey Hudson: "see you all in a year for the conclusion" (parts paraphrased Jeremy Jahns Empire Strikes back youtube vid)

And that's where the "Bioware tripped and fell over their execution" comes in because most people aren't waiting for more and don't expect a "real" conclusion. Frankly, I don't either, but I enjoy the interpretation as much as anyone else in this thread.

No I agree, the execution was just horrid, It was a brave attempt, but the EC should have been in the original to give at least to give some closure. Sometimes ambitious attempts fall flat on their face.

Bioware turtled in when they should have been more open, would have softened backlash IMO.

Edit: Also if Casey and Mac have not told staff about the twist he should probably be doing it now, or at least his staff that are lurking here should be asking him. Leaving your staff in the dark about the big picture can lead to mixed messages that we've been getting from staff so far (cough Merrizan)

Modifié par smokingotter1, 17 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[Big_Boss9]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
Edit 2: And thus you have the epic ending to ME3, everyone ends on a low note, no one ends on a high note, the audience is left with more questions than answers, and it all ends on a cliff hanger. That's how you try to keep your fans hooked  on the story. That's why you all are here. Casey Hudson: "see you all in a year for the conclusion" (parts paraphrased Jeremy Jahns Empire Strikes back youtube vid)

And that's where the "Bioware tripped and fell over their execution" comes in because most people aren't waiting for more and don't expect a "real" conclusion. Frankly, I don't either, but I enjoy the interpretation as much as anyone else in this thread.

No I agree, the execution was just horrid, It was a brave attempt, but the EC should have been in the original to give at least to give some closure. Sometimes ambitious attempts fall flat on their face.

Bioware turtled in when they should have been more open, would have softened backlash IMO.

Agreed. Being rushed by EA couldn't have helped either. I imagine if they'd still be on their own, ME3 might not have even come out until now.

[JasonSic]

spinachdiaper wrote...

What if IT indoctrinates the BSN oh wait it already has

Does this dis-prove IT?

[CoolioThane]

I just ordered Dominos. This proves IT because dominos is a game of order. By placing an order with dominos I have essentially placed faith in order with order. Order is created amongst chaos. The chaos the Reapers bring. They may claim to bring order to chaos, when the chaos is only existent because of the Reapers.

Geth: peaceful after the Quarians turned on them, until the Reapers made them well evil
Rachni: Reapers made them well evil, like
REAPERS ARE EVIL

That is why my pizza proves IT

[MaximizedAction]

@Coolio, is that your impression of an ITer with an anti-IT-er mentality? ^^

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 août 2012 - 04:11 .

[CoolioThane]

MaximizedAction wrote...

@Coolio, is that your impression of an ITer with an anti-IT-er mentality? ^^

You got me! 

**** me it's slow today. Hopefully estebanus managed to ask Chris and Jess today

Modifié par CoolioThane, 17 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[Gwyphon]

CoolioThane wrote...

I just ordered Dominos. This proves IT because dominos is a game of order. By placing an order with dominos I have essentially placed faith in order with order. Order is created amongst chaos. The chaos the Reapers bring. They may claim to bring order to chaos, when the chaos is only existent because of the Reapers.

Geth: peaceful after the Quarians turned on them, until the Reapers made them well evil
Rachni: Reapers made them well evil, like
REAPERS ARE EVIL

That is why my pizza proves IT

Hope he delivered it backwards, else he's a scrub.

[CoolioThane]

Gwyphon wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I just ordered Dominos. This proves IT because dominos is a game of order. By placing an order with dominos I have essentially placed faith in order with order. Order is created amongst chaos. The chaos the Reapers bring. They may claim to bring order to chaos, when the chaos is only existent because of the Reapers.

Geth: peaceful after the Quarians turned on them, until the Reapers made them well evil
Rachni: Reapers made them well evil, like
REAPERS ARE EVIL

That is why my pizza proves IT

Hope he delivered it backwards, else he's a scrub.

As a matter of fact he was facing the front door when he delivered them! The dirty scrub 

[masster blaster]

CoolioThane wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

@Coolio, is that your impression of an ITer with an anti-IT-er mentality? ^^

You got me! 

**** me it's slow today. Hopefully estebanus managed to ask Chris and Jess today

Wait, what happened, while I was away?

[CoolioThane]

masster blaster wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

@Coolio, is that your impression of an ITer with an anti-IT-er mentality? ^^

You got me! 

**** me it's slow today. Hopefully estebanus managed to ask Chris and Jess today

Wait, what happened, while I was away?

Este bumped into and had a chat with Jess and Chris yesterday, but as he's not really a believer of IT anymore, didn't ask them about it, which he said he might do today if he bumps into them again...I think