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[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I've just read on these forums exactly that that's what going to happen based on what's been leaked.

I wouldn't be surprised, the DLC is supposed to reveal more on the Reaper's origins.

But the EC files say that the first reaper was Harbinger. How can the leviathans have created the reapers if that indeed were the case?

The Leviathans are supposedly harvested into Harbinger. Maybe it can mean the first harvested Reaper?

I'm really let down, I was a big supporter of the IT.

But how can leviathan then exist if the race supposedly was harvested?

[Drewton]

Supposedly only one is left.

"And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution."

[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

Supposedly only one is left.

"And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution."

Interesting. But... are the reapers really so sloppy that they'd let a huge spaceship simply escape? I mean, they have been known to be pretty thorough.

Modifié par estebanus, 17 août 2012 - 06:35 .

[Drewton]

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Supposedly only one is left.

"And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution."

Interesting. But... are the reapers really so sloppy that they'd let a huge spaceship simply escape?

Like the Normandy?

I hope the "leaks" aren't true but I doubt it.

Modifié par Drewton, 17 août 2012 - 06:37 .

[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Supposedly only one is left.

"And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution."

Interesting. But... are the reapers really so sloppy that they'd let a huge spaceship simply escape?

Like the Normandy? 

The Normandy is small and a stealth ship with a reaper IFF embedded at that. Leviathan is supposedly huge, and it wouldn't make sense to somehow have a reaper IFF and several other things embedded into it.

Speaking about that, if the leviathans indeed were an organic race, how the hell could they fly? They'd explode without any form of protection! Unless of course, Leviathan were a failed reaper.

[CoolioThane]

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

[estebanus]

That they'll never implement IT into the game is pretty much obvious by now, even if it were what BioWare intended. Strictly my own opinion, of course!

Modifié par estebanus, 17 août 2012 - 06:45 .

[Drewton]

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

Modifié par Drewton, 17 août 2012 - 06:44 .

[Hrothdane]

estebanus wrote...

That they'll never implement IT into the game is pretty much obvious by now, even if it were what BioWare intended.

Obvious to you.

[estebanus]

Hrothdane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That they'll never implement IT into the game is pretty much obvious by now, even if it were what BioWare intended.

Obvious to you.

I probably should have added "in my opinion", yeah.

Modifié par estebanus, 17 août 2012 - 06:45 .

[CoolioThane]

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

[Drewton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

[Hrothdane]

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

Uh, part of the whole point of IT is that the Reapers want Shepard to pick control or synthesis.

[Drewton]

Hrothdane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

Uh, part of the whole point of IT is that the Reapers want Shepard to pick control or synthesis.

But the Reapers don't actually want to be controlled do they?

Modifié par Drewton, 17 août 2012 - 06:47 .

[CoolioThane]

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

How is it obvious that Shepard will choose control/synthesis even if the endings were literal?

I don't know about you, but My Shepard would stick true to her principles and finish the job she was given.

[Drewton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

Again. No concrete evidence yet, but leaks on this board have said that when the Reapers rebel against the Leviathans, the Catalyst is created by the Leviathans and can indeed control and synthesize the Reapers.

[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

How is it obvious that Shepard will choose control/synthesis even if the endings were literal?

I don't know about you, but My Shepard would stick true to her principles and finish the job she was given.

This. Even if it was literal Shep chooses Destroy

[Drewton]

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But how does that disprove IT drew? Seriously

(spoilers)

If "Control" and "Synthesis" really can be done, then that's pretty obvious that it's what Shepard actually does. Indoctrination wouldn't make any sense because none of the options are really good for the Reapers.

If it disproves IT  I might not even play Leviathan now.

How is it obvious that Shepard will choose control/synthesis even if the endings were literal?

I don't know about you, but My Shepard would stick true to her principles and finish the job she was given.

I didn't mean it's obvious that those are the options Shepard would choose. I meant it's obvious they would be literal.

Modifié par Drewton, 17 août 2012 - 06:50 .

[CoolioThane]

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

Again. No concrete evidence yet, but leaks on this board have said that when the Reapers rebel against the Leviathans, the Catalyst is created by the Leviathans and can indeed control and synthesize the Reapers.

So again just hearsay. If there were any leaks saying this there would be bloodthirsty literalists on us like a shot. 

IT is alive

[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

Again. No concrete evidence yet, but leaks on this board have said that when the Reapers rebel against the Leviathans, the Catalyst is created by the Leviathans and can indeed control and synthesize the Reapers.

Uhm... Other sources state that leviathan was a failed reaper and turned on its own kind.

[FFZero]

estebanus wrote...

That they'll never implement IT into the game is pretty much obvious by now, even if it were what BioWare intended. Strictly my own opinion, of course!

We have no idea what Bioware are planning Estebanus. They could still use IT to some extent or they might just add more dialogue options to the investigate option in Starbrats dialogue to steer us away from Control and Synthesis, at this stage we just have no idea what the future holds.


Also, something I forgot to add to my post before, we’ll apparently have a lot more investigate options in Leviathan, we can sort of play detective is how Jessica Merizan put it. So I’m thinking similar to how we could investigate Liara’s apartment in LOTSB.

[Drewton]

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

Again. No concrete evidence yet, but leaks on this board have said that when the Reapers rebel against the Leviathans, the Catalyst is created by the Leviathans and can indeed control and synthesize the Reapers.

Uhm... Other sources state that leviathan was a failed reaper and turned on its own kind.

From the Leviathan thread, this basically seems to be what people have gathered from the leaks:

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Why is this hard?

Leviathan is a Leviathan, last of the race of Leviathans.
The race that the leaked dialogue conformed created the Reapers and the Catalyst

The
DLC Leviathan is organic, just very long lived (functionally immortal)
and the Reapers were built to look like their creators.

Leviathan
isn't a Reaper or part-reaper or a proto-reaper it's just a huge
organic that looks like a Reaper and has abilities similar to (but not
the same as) a Reaper because the Reapers abilities were based on their
creators natural abilities.

Any speculation that squadmates in
the leaked dialogue involving Reapers is set _before_ the final big
reveal in the DLC and always framed as a question. The _statements_
about Leviathan all talk about it being the last of the creators.

None
of this has anything to do with the _actual_ Reaper that the Batarians
found that was nicknamed "The Leviathan of Dis" by the Batarians or the
synthesis ending

• Leviathans create the Reapers (As servants, in their own image, and size)
• Reapers rebel
• Leviathans
  create the Catalyst to resolve the Reaper rebellion thinking that it is
  suitably shackled to preserving "peace" and (After much research) give
  it the ability to take over the Reapers (Much like what Xen wanted)
• Catalyst
  has to solve a problem that has almost no teneble solution and so comes
  up with the cycle, assumes control of the Reapers and gives them a new
  purpose
• Reapers go and harvest all but one of the Leviathans,
  stuffing the resulting goo and knowledge into one of them, making
  Harbinger
• The Catalyst never _directly_ kills anyone and is
  following it's programming to the best of it's ability, the Reapers do
  the dirty work and eventually all get upgraded to synthetic+goo status,
  then they build more as they need them

[estebanus]

FFZero wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That they'll never implement IT into the game is pretty much obvious by now, even if it were what BioWare intended. Strictly my own opinion, of course!

We have no idea what Bioware are planning Estebanus. They could still use IT to some extent or they might just add more dialogue options to the investigate option in Starbrats dialogue to steer us away from Control and Synthesis, at this stage we just have no idea what the future holds.


Also, something I forgot to add to my post before, we’ll apparently have a lot more investigate options in Leviathan, we can sort of play detective is how Jessica Merizan put it. So I’m thinking similar to how we could investigate Liara’s apartment in LOTSB.

I was at the BioWare booth, too. I talked with Chris, and apparently, he likes the IT. He even told me he had a playthrough dedicated to it.

[estebanus]

Drewton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Drewton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing I've read has claimed it's possible to control/synthesize unless you believe Star****

As I said, it looks as if Leviathan will confirm what Starchild says.

]

Evidence? 

Again. No concrete evidence yet, but leaks on this board have said that when the Reapers rebel against the Leviathans, the Catalyst is created by the Leviathans and can indeed control and synthesize the Reapers.

Uhm... Other sources state that leviathan was a failed reaper and turned on its own kind.

From the Leviathan thread, this basically seems to be what people have gathered from the leaks:

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Why is this hard?

Leviathan is a Leviathan, last of the race of Leviathans.
The race that the leaked dialogue conformed created the Reapers and the Catalyst

The
DLC Leviathan is organic, just very long lived (functionally immortal)
and the Reapers were built to look like their creators.

Leviathan
isn't a Reaper or part-reaper or a proto-reaper it's just a huge
organic that looks like a Reaper and has abilities similar to (but not
the same as) a Reaper because the Reapers abilities were based on their
creators natural abilities.

Any speculation that squadmates in
the leaked dialogue involving Reapers is set _before_ the final big
reveal in the DLC and always framed as a question. The _statements_
about Leviathan all talk about it being the last of the creators.

None
of this has anything to do with the _actual_ Reaper that the Batarians
found that was nicknamed "The Leviathan of Dis" by the Batarians or the
synthesis ending

• Leviathans create the Reapers (As servants, in their own image, and size)
• Reapers rebel
• Leviathans
  create the Catalyst to resolve the Reaper rebellion thinking that it is
  suitably shackled to preserving "peace" and (After much research) give
  it the ability to take over the Reapers (Much like what Xen wanted)
• Catalyst
  has to solve a problem that has almost no teneble solution and so comes
  up with the cycle, assumes control of the Reapers and gives them a new
  purpose
• Reapers go and harvest all but one of the Leviathans,
  stuffing the resulting goo and knowledge into one of them, making
  Harbinger
• The Catalyst never _directly_ kills anyone and is
  following it's programming to the best of it's ability, the Reapers do
  the dirty work and eventually all get upgraded to synthetic+goo status,
  then they build more as they need them

Yup, my doubts are gone.