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[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 The endings are clearly either badly written or are purposely written to cause speculation but not to impliment IT. IT just makes the endings even worse than they are and is just a major insult to BioWare with all their work on the game. If the endings were to impliment IT and have Shepard not have done anything in the RW would cause BioWare to become liars. They promised us an end to the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story. The only way to end the trilogy is to end the Reaper threat. The only way to end Shepard's story is for him/her to die. With IT these two don't happen and BioWare could be potentially sued. Effectively the IT is almost like a retcon device in the RW plot. It would mean that we have yet to make a final confronation, the Reapers are still a threat and that would mean the series is not done. BioWare even went on to say they won't change the endings. Even an "Arrival" type DLC is unlikely. Why create a DLC to spoil the plot for ME4? Why even connect the games? It would be a new series with a new plot. Connecting doesn't seem logical. 

If IT was true and was to be the plot of ME4, why would they do that? Definitely not enough plot for an entire game. No an entire new plot would be needed to be successful. 

- JT the Troll Master 

YES! Top Estebanus

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 04:23 .

[N7L4D]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 The endings are clearly either badly written or are purposely written to cause speculation but not to impliment IT. IT just makes the endings even worse than they are and is just a major insult to BioWare with all their work on the game. If the endings were to impliment IT and have Shepard not have done anything in the RW would cause BioWare to become liars. They promised us an end to the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story. The only way to end the trilogy is to end the Reaper threat. The only way to end Shepard's story is for him/her to die. With IT these two don't happen and BioWare could be potentially sued. Effectively the IT is almost like a retcon device in the RW plot. It would mean that we have yet to make a final confronation, the Reapers are still a threat and that would mean the series is not done. BioWare even went on to say they won't change the endings. Even an "Arrival" type DLC is unlikely. Why create a DLC to spoil the plot for ME4? Why even connect the games? It would be a new series with a new plot. Connecting doesn't seem logical. 

If IT was true and was to be the plot of ME4, why would they do that? Definitely not enough plot for an entire game. No an entire new plot would be needed to be successful. 

- JT the Troll Master 

hahaha you forgot to change your pic to a hanar or volus though, then it would be perfect, i give it a 9 out of 10

[TJBartlemus]

N7L4D wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 The endings are clearly either badly written or are purposely written to cause speculation but not to impliment IT. IT just makes the endings even worse than they are and is just a major insult to BioWare with all their work on the game. If the endings were to impliment IT and have Shepard not have done anything in the RW would cause BioWare to become liars. They promised us an end to the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story. The only way to end the trilogy is to end the Reaper threat. The only way to end Shepard's story is for him/her to die. With IT these two don't happen and BioWare could be potentially sued. Effectively the IT is almost like a retcon device in the RW plot. It would mean that we have yet to make a final confronation, the Reapers are still a threat and that would mean the series is not done. BioWare even went on to say they won't change the endings. Even an "Arrival" type DLC is unlikely. Why create a DLC to spoil the plot for ME4? Why even connect the games? It would be a new series with a new plot. Connecting doesn't seem logical. 

If IT was true and was to be the plot of ME4, why would they do that? Definitely not enough plot for an entire game. No an entire new plot would be needed to be successful. 

- JT the Troll Master 

hahaha you forgot to change your pic to a hanar or volus though, then it would be perfect, i give it a 9 out of 10

The nerve. I am completely serious.  You mock me and totally ignore my points. How dare you. 

- JT the Troll Master 

[N7L4D]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

did someone say troll!

so uh guys this is who created the reapers actually

www.youtube.com/watch

Everyone knows the reapers are trollin' you!

hahaha thats freaking awesome! anderson knows his trolls when he sees one

[N7L4D]

TJBartlemus wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 The endings are clearly either badly written or are purposely written to cause speculation but not to impliment IT. IT just makes the endings even worse than they are and is just a major insult to BioWare with all their work on the game. If the endings were to impliment IT and have Shepard not have done anything in the RW would cause BioWare to become liars. They promised us an end to the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story. The only way to end the trilogy is to end the Reaper threat. The only way to end Shepard's story is for him/her to die. With IT these two don't happen and BioWare could be potentially sued. Effectively the IT is almost like a retcon device in the RW plot. It would mean that we have yet to make a final confronation, the Reapers are still a threat and that would mean the series is not done. BioWare even went on to say they won't change the endings. Even an "Arrival" type DLC is unlikely. Why create a DLC to spoil the plot for ME4? Why even connect the games? It would be a new series with a new plot. Connecting doesn't seem logical. 

If IT was true and was to be the plot of ME4, why would they do that? Definitely not enough plot for an entire game. No an entire new plot would be needed to be successful. 

- JT the Troll Master 

hahaha you forgot to change your pic to a hanar or volus though, then it would be perfect, i give it a 9 out of 10

The nerve. I am completely serious.  You mock me and totally ignore my points. How dare you. 

- JT the Troll Master 

now thats a 9.5 such dedication, such grace, if the olympics were still going you'd get a gold medal with the greatest of ease!

[BansheeOwnage]

N7L4D wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

did someone say troll!

so uh guys this is who created the reapers actually

www.youtube.com/watch

Everyone knows the reapers are trollin' you!

hahaha thats freaking awesome! anderson knows his trolls when he sees one

That's just a teaser for the full length one I'll make as soon as I figure out how to record stuff on my PC version.
"Trollling me...is a lot different than trolling a reaper."
"But not if we can harness their ability to troll."

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[TJBartlemus]

N7L4D wrote...

now thats a 9.5 such dedication, such grace, if the olympics were still going you'd get a gold medal with the greatest of ease!

I agree my thoughts and points are quite worthy of gold but your responses seem more like they would score a petty 3. So sad. Is this the best the ITer's can produce? I expected some amusing counters to my points but this is pathetic. Much like the IT itself. It has some interesting points and "proof" but has yet to be proven. If it was to be proven why hasn't it yet already? Why hasn't BioWare revealed the "truth"? There is nothing to gain at this point. If anything BioWare is losing people due to it's bad writing. If the IT was true and did fix everything why not reveal the truth so the ending could be considered potentially good?

- JT the Troll Master 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 The endings are clearly either badly written or are purposely written to cause speculation but not to impliment IT. IT just makes the endings even worse than they are and is just a major insult to BioWare with all their work on the game. If the endings were to impliment IT and have Shepard not have done anything in the RW would cause BioWare to become liars. They promised us an end to the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story. The only way to end the trilogy is to end the Reaper threat. The only way to end Shepard's story is for him/her to die. With IT these two don't happen and BioWare could be potentially sued. Effectively the IT is almost like a retcon device in the RW plot. It would mean that we have yet to make a final confronation, the Reapers are still a threat and that would mean the series is not done. BioWare even went on to say they won't change the endings. Even an "Arrival" type DLC is unlikely. Why create a DLC to spoil the plot for ME4? Why even connect the games? It would be a new series with a new plot. Connecting doesn't seem logical. 

If IT was true and was to be the plot of ME4, why would they do that? Definitely not enough plot for an entire game. No an entire new plot would be needed to be successful. 

- JT the Troll Master 

Haha nice try, but you made too much sense by more or less understanding IT. If you want to become a true master, you need to let go of all reason, forget all you know of the IT and hate it without understanding it.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[spotlessvoid]

IT isn't true if it was why would Shepard wager 2 Hanar to your 3 Volus that Harbinger isn't on the Moon. Do they even serve cuttlefish flambe in Illium no I didn't think so. Seriously, there are no Reaper you probably believe in Slash too I don't even clearly TIM was using an indoctrination kazoo. Bioware couldn't write a book to save a lazy mountain. Pffft..Eezo Cores my ass


Mark I style classic troll format. Actually, it made a little too much sense for the first thread trolls

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

now thats a 9.5 such dedication, such grace, if the olympics were still going you'd get a gold medal with the greatest of ease!

I agree my thoughts and points are quite worthy of gold but your responses seem more like they would score a petty 3. So sad. Is this the best the ITer's can produce? I expected some amusing counters to my points but this is pathetic. 

- JT the Troll Master 

Oh yeah? Well if the end is all bad writing, than how come the rest of the game and Leviathan have great writing? It doesn't make sense for them to just drop the ball in the most important part of the series, then have great writing again right after.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 04:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

IT isn't true if it was why would Shepard wager 2 Hanar to your 3 Volus that Harbinger isn't on the Moon. Do they even serve cuttlefish flambe in Illium no I didn't think so. Seriously, there are no Reaper you probably believe in Slash too I don't even clearly TIM was using an indoctrination kazoo. Bioware couldn't write a book to save a lazy mountain. Pffft..Eezo Cores my ass


Mark I style classic troll format. Actually, it made a little too much sense for the first thread trolls

I was like whatthehellIdon'teven the whole time haha! 

[Lokanaiya]

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

I mean, if you guys actually want to discuss and not do fake trolling.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 18 août 2012 - 04:05 .

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

now thats a 9.5 such dedication, such grace, if the olympics were still going you'd get a gold medal with the greatest of ease!

I agree my thoughts and points are quite worthy of gold but your responses seem more like they would score a petty 3. So sad. Is this the best the ITer's can produce? I expected some amusing counters to my points but this is pathetic. 

- JT the Troll Master 

Oh yeah? Well if the end is all bad writing, than how come the rest of the game and Leviathan have great writing? It doesn't make sense for them to just drop the ball in the most important part of the series.

Wow. Pathetic. You all still have yet to answer my original post. Why do you ignore me? This is a forum for discussion. Not ignoring. 

First off you have no idea if Leviathan has any good writing. Maybe all you have seen so far is the best it is going to get? The end could just be that the Leviathan is a hoax and you wasted the last 3 hours on nothing. On dropping the ball, you guys do admit that the team was being pressured by EA to finish. The ending could be a result of short time and low creativity under pressure. OR They just suck at writing. 

- JT the Troll Master 

[BansheeOwnage]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

Anderson could be indoctrinated, but I doubt it simply because it kind of ruins the whole iron will thing he has going for him and also him being the person in destroy. But as BleedingUranium suggested, if he is indoctrinated, you would have already had the opportunity to say goodbye to the "real" Anderson in the ending hallucination (as most people agree that was the only good part of the ending) but are still able to kill him later.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 04:08 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

now thats a 9.5 such dedication, such grace, if the olympics were still going you'd get a gold medal with the greatest of ease!

I agree my thoughts and points are quite worthy of gold but your responses seem more like they would score a petty 3. So sad. Is this the best the ITer's can produce? I expected some amusing counters to my points but this is pathetic. 

- JT the Troll Master 

Oh yeah? Well if the end is all bad writing, than how come the rest of the game and Leviathan have great writing? It doesn't make sense for them to just drop the ball in the most important part of the series.

Wow. Pathetic. You all still have yet to answer my original post. Why do you ignore me? This is a forum for discussion. Not ignoring. 

First off you have no idea if Leviathan has any good writing. Maybe all you have seen so far is the best it is going to get? The end could just be that the Leviathan is a hoax and you wasted the last 3 hours on nothing. On dropping the ball, you guys do admit that the team was being pressured by EA to finish. The ending could be a result of short time and low creativity under pressure. OR They just suck at writing. 

- JT the Troll Master 

While it's true we don't know Leviathan has great writing yet, it does seem like it judging from all of the squad banter. Regardless, it seems almost as unlikely that they dropped the ball for the ending, even if we don't know how good their writing is after it. As for the time restraints, I find it likely that they didn't have time to fully realize the indoctrination aspect as well as they wanted to. I still think it was intended however.

[TJBartlemus]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

I mean, if you guys actually want to discuss and not do fake trolling.

FAKE TROLLING!!! THE NERVE!!! 

Coats is obviously not an illusion. I am sure if the squadies saw Anderson and Shep speaking to a corner they would oblige and provide a bullet to end their suffering. Seeing as that didn't happen...Shep is obviously not indoctrinated. Really it's sad. If I were you guys I would jump ship now before it hits the iceburg. The ending of that story is not a good one.

- JT the Troll Master 

[Lokanaiya]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

Anderson could be indoctrinated, but I doubt it simply because it kind of ruins the whole iron will thing he has going for him but also him being the person in destroy. But as BleedingUranium suggested, if he is indoctrinated, you would have already had the opportunity to say goodbye to the "real" Anderson in the ending hallucination (as most people agree that was the only good part of the ending) but are still able to kill him later.

Thus "in the process of being indoctrinated." Like Shepard, but not nearly as far along.

And, honestly, I don't really think he is, I'm just trying to get discussion going here.

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

I mean, if you guys actually want to discuss and not do fake trolling.

FAKE TROLLING!!! THE NERVE!!! 

Coats is obviously not an illusion. I am sure if the squadies saw Anderson and Shep speaking to a corner they would oblige and provide a bullet to end their suffering. Seeing as that didn't happen...Shep is obviously not indoctrinated. Really it's sad. If I were you guys I would jump ship now before it hits the iceburg. The ending of that story is not a good one.

- JT the Troll Master 

Once again, you fall for one of the common misconceptions of the IT. Shepard would only be indoctrinated after choosing control or synthesis. Otherwise, she is simply being indoctrinated.

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
While it's true we don't know Leviathan has great writing yet, it does seem like it judging from all of the squad banter. Regardless, it seems almost as unlikely that they dropped the ball for the ending, even if we don't know how good their writing is after it. As for the time restraints, I find it likely that they didn't have time to fully realize the indoctrination aspect as well as they wanted to. I still think it was intended however.

How do you intend something that was created after the ending of production and releasing of the game? If they wanted to do that they would of with the EC. They didn't. You guys are so oblivious of the truth it's sad. You guys also fail at simple countering skills to solid points that disprove IT. Really. 

- JT the Troll Master 

[BansheeOwnage]

Lokanaiya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

Anderson could be indoctrinated, but I doubt it simply because it kind of ruins the whole iron will thing he has going for him but also him being the person in destroy. But as BleedingUranium suggested, if he is indoctrinated, you would have already had the opportunity to say goodbye to the "real" Anderson in the ending hallucination (as most people agree that was the only good part of the ending) but are still able to kill him later.

Thus "in the process of being indoctrinated." Like Shepard, but not nearly as far along.

And, honestly, I don't really think he is, I'm just trying to get discussion going here.

Good point. It's actually kind of sad that I didn't catch that myself, considering in my previous post I brought that very thing up .

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 04:13 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
While it's true we don't know Leviathan has great writing yet, it does seem like it judging from all of the squad banter. Regardless, it seems almost as unlikely that they dropped the ball for the ending, even if we don't know how good their writing is after it. As for the time restraints, I find it likely that they didn't have time to fully realize the indoctrination aspect as well as they wanted to. I still think it was intended however.

How do you intend something that was created after the ending of production and releasing of the game? If they wanted to do that they would of with the EC. They didn't. You guys are so oblivious of the truth it's sad. You guys also fail at simple countering skills to solid points that disprove IT. Really. 

- JT the Troll Master 

Actually, it seems the EC wasn't planned, so that definitely wouldn't have been the time to confirm it. One that they've been working on for months and planned before launch like Leviathan may be though.

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hmmm... If we need something to discuss, I propose that... Anderson is in the process of being indoctrinated. My evidence for this is that he's been on Earth and thus constantly around Reapers/Reaper tech for however many months ME3, he's the resistance leader and so a high priority for indoctrination, and he is the only other person besides Shepard who sees/responds to Coates, who is most likely a hallucination. (Evidence: Previously mentioned only being seen by 2 people, tries to walk into a hole after your first conversation at the FOB, and he teleports around as your (Cerberus) shuttle is landing at the FOB.)

Thoughts?

I mean, if you guys actually want to discuss and not do fake trolling.

FAKE TROLLING!!! THE NERVE!!! 

Coats is obviously not an illusion. I am sure if the squadies saw Anderson and Shep speaking to a corner they would oblige and provide a bullet to end their suffering. Seeing as that didn't happen...Shep is obviously not indoctrinated. Really it's sad. If I were you guys I would jump ship now before it hits the iceburg. The ending of that story is not a good one.

- JT the Troll Master 

Once again, you fall for one of the common misconceptions of the IT. Shepard would only be indoctrinated after choosing control or synthesis. Otherwise, she is simply being indoctrinated.

What does it matter? Indoctrinated / Being Indoctrinated. Both are illogical for the ending. It would make more sense for it to be near the end instead of being the end. Really it's just all bad writing and bad planning. And BioWare wonders why they have such low ratings...

- JT the Troll Master  

[BansheeOwnage]

@ Lokanaiya It was you who brought up the absolutely amazing point that Firebase Rio seems to have been designed for simply moving forward and not covering your back right?

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Actually, it seems the EC wasn't planned, so that definitely wouldn't have been the time to confirm it. One that they've been working on for months and planned before launch like Leviathan may be though.

Notice the use of "maybe". That's all it is. You still have yet to answer my original post. Go look over it again and answer me.

- JT the Troll Master 

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...
What does it matter? Indoctrinated / Being Indoctrinated. Both are illogical for the ending. It would make more sense for it to be near the end instead of being the end. Really it's just all bad writing and bad planning. And BioWare wonders why they have such low ratings...

- JT the Troll Master  

Man TJ, it's kind of hard to argue the bad writing simply because it would take hours to include all of the evidence that it wasn't have you replay all of the games lol.

Also, I see what you did there - reversing your name JT.