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[Kulbelbolka]

So Keeper tooks off Major Coats helmet in EC. Who was there, instead of Coats, before EC?

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Hrothdane wrote...

We are here because the evidence points us to this interpretation. Whether we like the conclusions drawn from the evidence is irrelevant.

Also, the EC did not kill IT. Jessica Merizan said it "neither confirms nor denies the IT." In fact, the EC has given more evidence to support our interpretation.

We get "didn't EC kill IT?" about every other day.

Even if it didn't kill it, the point is kind of moot is all I was saying. Because even if it turns out that the IT is true, we will never see the extension of that storyline, so it leaves you with shepard laying on the ground while the reaper battle is still happening...
Why would you fight so hard to believe that is all I am wondering.
Like I said though, I followed the IT for a LONG LONG time and LOVE the idea, but knowing that the idea will never come full circle leaves me very unsatisfied with shepard's state is all. So I would rather cut my loses and accept the not-as-thought-out current endings. :/
They aren't great, but post EC they aren't complete travesties like the originals either. Also, you get some closure.

[Domanese]

Hrothdane wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

i loved the idea of the IT, but don't you guys realize that the EC sort of killed it? :/
Also, even if it still had a chance to be true, the IT ending is worse than the endings we have now because it ends (in a BEST CASE scenario) with Shepard waking up, then it ends. You never know what happens to the reaper conflict and all the characters...
I would love to see an extension to this ending, but it seems silly to cling on to the IT when you consider what it would mean if it were true...

We are here because the evidence points us to this interpretation. Whether we like the conclusions drawn from the evidence is irrelevant.

Also, the EC did not kill IT. Jessica Merizan said it "neither confirms nor denies the IT." In fact, the EC has given more evidence to support our interpretation.

We get "didn't EC kill IT?" about every other day.

The infrasound noises you can detect that were programmed into the games audio at intervals in the game, the oily shadows depicted by the rachni queen in the dreams (hell the entire dream sequences for that matter), the fact that nearly everyone of your allies is backing shepard up on the pretext of destroying the reapers, the fact that one of Shepard's definite tratis and main goals is to destroy the reapers and only deviates when you the player have the opportunity to do that which would be out of character for Shepard regardless of renegade or paragon choices made up until that point. All of that was deleted from the extended cut being installed? No? Then IT isn't dead. :-)

Oh and incidentally since Bioware originally wanted a six month extension to finish the game and EA only gave three it's not a tremendous leap to consider that the EC whilst reactionary is the remaining three months they wanted. Originally ME3 would have come out in June instead of March so... If Mass Effect 3 came out in June I'm convicned the extended cut would have already been in the game and we'd still be back to where we started with all of this.

Modifié par Domanese, 18 août 2012 - 05:58 .

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

magnetite wrote...

Did you actually read the codex in any of the games? The Object Rho artifact is capable of indoctrinating anyone who's near it. I think there's probably about 90% of the fan base who just played the game and didn't even touch the codex. Maybe read a few articles, but not the whole thing. A lot of good information in there which would answer their questions.

In somewhat hallucination/dream related news, I just watched a TV episode which was very similar to the ending. Using hallucinations to alter reality as well as people's dreams. Or using the enemy's mind as a weapon against his victims. It was very much like the ending. A lot of weird stuff that didn't make sense, until they found out in the end it as all a bad dream of sorts.

Actually i listened to all the codex there, dude. I actually loved the premise of the IT so don't flip out. It's people like you that give the IT believers a bad name. I was simply saying that the IT (even if it is still possible) leaves shepard in a very bad state and we will never see the idea come full circle. Although i REALLY wish we would!! But I have learned to cut my loses and accept the not-as-thought-out endings. They aren't great like the IT ending could have been, but they give you closure and tie everything up. Something the CURRENT endings do NOT if you think about it in IT terms. And something that the original endings DID NOT at allllllll. haha.

[spotlessvoid]

Api:

Click the link in domanese's sig

Also, nobody is giving "it'ers" a bad name. come in triumphantly touting IT being false in a condescending manner, with nothing of substance to back it up ...what kind of reaction where you anticipating?

[BansheeOwnage]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Actually i listened to all the codex there, dude. I actually loved the premise of the IT so don't flip out. It's people like you that give the IT believers a bad name. I was simply saying that the IT (even if it is still possible) leaves shepard in a very bad state and we will never see the idea come full circle. Although i REALLY wish we would!! But I have learned to cut my loses and accept the not-as-thought-out endings. They aren't great like the IT ending could have been, but they give you closure and tie everything up. Something the CURRENT endings do NOT if you think about it in IT terms. And something that the original endings DID NOT at allllllll. haha.

Sounds to me like you basically are an ITer, you just don't think they'll add anything new to the end. That would make you like many other ITers. You don't have to believe they'll add anything to the end to believe IT. IT as a possibility can only be proven wrong by Bioware or DLC. As it stands, it remains a "valid possibility" according to Chris Priestly. As an interpretation, well, IT can only be proven wrong by, again, Bioware or DLC. As for me, I remain cautiously optimistic.

Edit: Goodnight!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 06:38 .

[spotlessvoid]

Magnetite...API: A pissed Iguana


Same side buddy! =)

[spotlessvoid]

New IT wiki itme.wikia.com

Since we keep saying we need a collection point for evidence

[plfranke]

You know what the problem is with this thread, it's gone from a theory with evidence to delusion. There are people here who would not even accept Bioware saying IT is definitively not what they had planned. The only people who talk any sense are hardly ever here anymore. This thread needs more Hanar and Subastris, less Banshee and other people who just talk nonsense.

[smokingotter1]

@plfranke "You know what the problem is with this thread... not enough smokingotter"
FTFY

[Leonia]

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

[plfranke]

leonia42 wrote...

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

If it's not I'm sure someone here will find a way to manipulate it into being that.

[Hrothdane]

plfranke wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

If it's not I'm sure someone here will find a way to manipulate it into being that.

IF the IT is definitively and deductively proven wrong, then I will no longer endorse it. If the proof still leaves me feeling unsatisfied, I may relegate the IT to headcanon like I do with every other fan theory.

We are only talking about weaker evidence and conjecture now because Leviathan is coming out in 10 days, there is only so much we can evaluate that hasn't been deconstructed ten times already, and otherwise we end up getting off-topic.

If you want to offer constructive criticism, you are welcome to stay. If you insist on maintaining a rude and combative tone, please take your business elsewhere.

[plfranke]

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

If it's not I'm sure someone here will find a way to manipulate it into being that.

IF the IT is definitively and deductively proven wrong, then I will no longer endorse it. If the proof still leaves me feeling unsatisfied, I may relegate the IT to headcanon like I do with every other fan theory.

We are only talking about weaker evidence and conjecture now because Leviathan is coming out in 10 days, there is only so much we can evaluate that hasn't been deconstructed ten times already, and otherwise we end up getting off-topic.

If you want to offer constructive criticism, you are welcome to stay. If you insist on maintaining a rude and combative tone, please take your business elsewhere.

lol do you like run the thread or something? I'm not being combative at all. You're the one telling me (albeit very politely) to leave.

[prettz]

Kulbelbolka wrote...

So Keeper took off Major Coats helmet in EC. Who was there, instead of Coats, before EC?

No Keeper took off the helmet before EC, heck the Keeper it self is new in the EC.

magnetite wrote...

I'm not sure, but I found Coats near
where Marauder Shields was. He was one of the dead soldiers on the
ground in a huge pool of his own blood. Before the EC that is.

it's now a generic soldier with a helmet in EC.

[plfranke]

prettz wrote...

Kulbelbolka wrote...

So Keeper took off Major Coats helmet in EC. Who was there, instead of Coats, before EC?

No Keeper took off the helmet before EC, heck the Keeper it self is new in the EC.

magnetite wrote...

I'm not sure, but I found Coats near
where Marauder Shields was. He was one of the dead soldiers on the
ground in a huge pool of his own blood. Before the EC that is.

it's now a generic soldier with a helmet in EC.

that's even weirder considering coates is talking on the radio.

[Hrothdane]

plfranke wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

If it's not I'm sure someone here will find a way to manipulate it into being that.

IF the IT is definitively and deductively proven wrong, then I will no longer endorse it. If the proof still leaves me feeling unsatisfied, I may relegate the IT to headcanon like I do with every other fan theory.

We are only talking about weaker evidence and conjecture now because Leviathan is coming out in 10 days, there is only so much we can evaluate that hasn't been deconstructed ten times already, and otherwise we end up getting off-topic.

If you want to offer constructive criticism, you are welcome to stay. If you insist on maintaining a rude and combative tone, please take your business elsewhere.

lol do you like run the thread or something? I'm not being combative at all. You're the one telling me (albeit very politely) to leave.

I don't run anything here. I merely am a concerned member of the community that wishes to promote understanding and the cordial exchange of ideas.

Calling a groups' ideas a "delusion" in your opening statment is not the way to initiate thoughtful and friendly conversation. In the words of many a redneck, "Them's fightin' words."

I only suggested you leave if you have nothing constructive to add. I would prefer it if you have actual honest criticisms to discuss, as it helps us develop our ideas better.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 18 août 2012 - 08:15 .

[spotlessvoid]

Plfranke

So what if some won't let IT go no matter what. Either significant enough time passes or Bioware disproves it or Bioware goes for glory and makes it happen. Most here, from what I can tell, know the difference between IT being intended by Bioware and head canon. Nothing has been definitively resolved.

[plfranke]

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

plfranke wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

What is with all the rude people in here lately, why can't we talk about IT in a mature and intelligent manner without the insults and the childish arguments? What is becoming of us, will Leviathan be the saviour this thread deserves?

If it's not I'm sure someone here will find a way to manipulate it into being that.

IF the IT is definitively and deductively proven wrong, then I will no longer endorse it. If the proof still leaves me feeling unsatisfied, I may relegate the IT to headcanon like I do with every other fan theory.

We are only talking about weaker evidence and conjecture now because Leviathan is coming out in 10 days, there is only so much we can evaluate that hasn't been deconstructed ten times already, and otherwise we end up getting off-topic.

If you want to offer constructive criticism, you are welcome to stay. If you insist on maintaining a rude and combative tone, please take your business elsewhere.

lol do you like run the thread or something? I'm not being combative at all. You're the one telling me (albeit very politely) to leave.

I don't run anything here. I merely am a concerned member of the community that wishes to promote understanding and the cordial exchange of ideas.

Calling a groups' ideas a "delusion" in your opening statment is not the way to initiate thoughtful and friendly conversation. In the words of many a redneck, "Them's fightin' words."

I only suggested you leave if you have nothing constructive to add. I would prefer it if you have actual honest criticisms to discuss, as it helps us develop our ideas better.

If you don't know what I'm talking about you only need to look around the thread a little bit. Regularly people such as myself or others will pose arguments against a point of I only to be shot down by completely illogical arguments. This is delusion. There are people who post on here that I love though like masster blaster. I also was giving criticism in my post. I said "the problem with the thread is this to fix it you need more of this and less of that."

[Hrothdane]

plfranke,

I see the source of your frustration. If someone is responding to honest critiques of yours with illogical arguments, take it up with that individual, not the community as a whole. Illogical retorts benefit no one in this setting.

Good night.

[plfranke]

magnetite wrote...

My take on that whole thing is that the ending was supposed to have many different meanings. Bioware stated this at a conference they had a few months ago.

It kind of reminds me of something I did many years ago in high school. Instead of just reading to comprehend something, my teacher asked me to provide my thoughts on a particular topic. There was no right or wrong answer. Kind of the same thing here. There is no right or wrong way that everything happened. It's all a matter of opinion.

The problem with that is that the game was not about different meanings it was about destroying Reapers and it was the end of a trilogy, and no matter what meaning you choose to put your belief in you have very little closure. For instance, if you pick destroy, killed wrex, destroyed maelon's data, cured the genophage and had high ems and believe in the literal endings, you have no idea what happened. Where was Shepard? Did Shepard live or die? Did the Krogans kill everyone in the galaxy? Did the Geth, Quarians, and Edi die with no chance of being repaired? If you believe in the indoctrination theory there are only more questions.