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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's still 10 long days. I just can't wait. Btw, how much is it going to cost me to play the DLC?


800 points or $9.99

I better buy a paysafe card, then.


Shouldn't be a problem for you :P

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CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's still 10 long days. I just can't wait. Btw, how much is it going to cost me to play the DLC?


800 points or $9.99

I better buy a paysafe card, then.


Shouldn't be a problem for you :P

Nope. It shouldn't. I was planning on getting dawnguard anyway, so I guess I'll get one for 50€, this time.

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Cute as always, Lexor.

But anyway I have been thinking about the Catalyst and the end, mostly his flawed logic regarding Synthetics. He says Synthetics will always rebel against it creator and become a threat to organics, but the Geth and EDI both go against this.

We clearly see that the Quarians struck first while the Geth in many cases still wanted to protect their Quarian masters, like the Geth that wants to surrender as the Quarians blow up teh door or building or what it was, killing the Quarian inside...

But if Bioware intends for the Catalyst to be right, if what he says is supposed to be true, it would not have been hard to alter what we see in the Geth Consensus to not contradict the Catalyst and even without losing the Geths justification.

Have a scene of the Geth asking questions of the Quarians and the Quarians shut them down, not with guns, but physically in some way which leaves the body intacts. This procedure continues, the Quarians systematically shutting down the Geth until the Geth out of fear of their diminishing intelligence, much like the reasons they turned to the Reapers, fight back, taking up arms and starting the Morning War.

The Geth would have an understandable reason, but also be the overall agressors in the conflict surppiting the Catalyst argument.

But taht is not the route Bioware choose to go, they specifically show the Geth as peaceful with their only hostile actions beeing to fight back once they were allready beeing fired upon and allowing the Quarians survivors to leave once the war was over.

Every other case of the Geth beeing hostile is a result of Reaper manipulation or take over and in those scenarios they are used to attack Organics...the Catalyst is doing a wonderful job, is he not? <_<

On another note could it not be interesting if an Asari had been on Rannoch during the Morning War and survived? With their long lifespans such an Asari could still be alive during the current times and provide a first hand organic view of the war.

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Dawnguard's alright, but I got bored of Skyrim before finishing it Dx

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CoolioThane wrote...

Dawnguard's alright, but I got bored of Skyrim before finishing it Dx

Mods and hidden quests keep the game being awesome for me. Today, I found several sidequests I didn't even know existed.

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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Dawnguard's alright, but I got bored of Skyrim before finishing it Dx

Mods and hidden quests keep the game being awesome for me. Today, I found several sidequests I didn't even know existed.


Ahh mods would make it awesome! Shame we cant get it on consoles =] 

Ahhh, the first day of the football season. Always brilliant unless Brighton lose then it's sad :P

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Forgive the double post but I'm not letting the thread drop down ;)

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CoolioThane wrote...

Forgive the double post but I'm not letting the thread drop down ;)

I suppose people are waiting for Leviathan before swarming the thread again.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 août 2012 - 02:47 .


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Soooo... Anything new in here?

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HagarIshay wrote...

Soooo... Anything new in here?


Hagar! Hey!

Not really at all. Probably due to timezones and stuff, but we've been waiting and waiting for Leviathan =]

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CoolioThane wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Soooo... Anything new in here?


Hagar! Hey!

Not really at all. Probably due to timezones and stuff, but we've been waiting and waiting for Leviathan =]

And waiting and waiting and waiting... Posted Image

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HagarIshay wrote...

Soooo... Anything new in here?


Doomsday discovered, that those sounds that accompany those black branches on the screen border, during the Anderson/TIM convo in Citadel:The Return, are just slowed down Reaper horns.

And that is a nice with the following interpretation: you know how time goes by slower when you dream? If Harbinger is still in the background in front of the London beam, and Shep is still lying there, then those slowed down Reaper sounds are Harbinger hornin' in real time.

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Lok,
Yeah I remember that thing about Coates disappearing right after his Shepard chat and nobody but Anderson and Shepard responding or even making eye contact. But it's such a shall sample size it's pretty hard to make any assumptions from that


That's not all the evidence, there's a fair amount more. Here's some I can think of off the top of my head:

He teleports around while and after your shuttle lands at the FOB. I believe one of Prettz's videos shows it.
He doesn't just disappear, he walks straight toward a pit. Why didn't he just go behind Shepard?
He moves in unison with another soldier after Anderson hands out orders at the FOB. Same exact movements, same time, same direction, too, I believe.
There's infrasound when he is near you in the FOB, and it goes away when he leaves.

He's also the only Alliance soldier in the entire FOB, including Anderson, that doesn't wear a hat, and many people have noted that there just seems to be something... off about him. I wouldn't include those with the evidence, but they're worth noting. I know that there's sutff that i missed, too.


And don't forget that he shares voice actors with Loghain from Dragon Age: Origins, IIRC.  Major (turn-) Coates just screams "backstabber" to me.


Which means he also shares voice actors with Han'Gerrel, another idiot and backstabber. Seems like the beginning of a trend...


OK! Time to end this once and for all!

Sorry to say, but Coates is voiced by Nicholas Boulton, and Loghain/Han'Gerrel/Gavin Archer is voiced by Simon Templeman

Source: http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast

apologies if I sounded rude, but I've heard this "Coates and Loghain have the same VO" thing since Mark I and I NEVER thought they sounded even remotely similar, aside from both having British accents.

Edited for Mass Effect voice credit toward Templeman's roles

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Saw that yesterday. nothing to say about it

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CoolioThane wrote...
Hagar! Hey!

Not really at all. Probably due to timezones and stuff, but we've been waiting and waiting for Leviathan =]


Hello to you too Coolio!

MaximizedAction wrote...
Doomsday discovered, that those sounds that accompany those black branches on the screen border, during the Anderson/TIM convo in Citadel:The Return, are just slowed down Reaper horns.

And that is a nice with the following interpretation: you know how time goes by slower when you dream? If Harbinger is still in the background in front of the London beam, and Shep is still lying there, then those slowed down Reaper sounds are Harbinger hornin' in real time.


That is pretty cool actually. Though I thought the sounds were somehow connected to the black branches. Does it means they aren't?

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You don't have to say anything, as long as you don't say that Loghain and Coates have the same VA...cuz they don't :P

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I never said they did! Still doesnt mean Coats isn't a traitorous scumbag

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HagarIshay wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Doomsday discovered, that those sounds that accompany those black branches on the screen border, during the Anderson/TIM convo in Citadel:The Return, are just slowed down Reaper horns.

And that is a nice with the following interpretation: you know how time goes by slower when you dream? If Harbinger is still in the background in front of the London beam, and Shep is still lying there, then those slowed down Reaper sounds are Harbinger hornin' in real time.


That is pretty cool actually. Though I thought the sounds were somehow connected to the black branches. Does it means they aren't?


I'd say they are. Since we assume that those are related to heavy indoctrination attempts (as is hinted by the game itself as we are to assume that this is TIM indoc'ing), this can still both happen in 'reality' (near the London beam with Harbinger still being there) while Shep's mind has it incorparated in his hallucination in some form.

This is not the only instance for such an interpretation: two other examples are the electrical discharge sounds that you hear when you walk up to Anderson in the Control plattform, the other one's rather new: in every part during Citadel:The Return you see some orange light coming from different light sources. It was suggested that this is actually Harbinger's eyes, while he's observing you.

(Of course all of this is assuming that the 'full blown hallucination' starts once Shep wakes up after Harbinger's lasershot.)

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 août 2012 - 03:44 .


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SAKE. Brighton lost bugger I'm annoyed. Gonna get a beer.

Grrrrr, anyone done any more speculating?

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Had a silly dream last night where i had tons of money and was able to donate a large amount of money to BW so they could add more stunning DLC, including IT and what not, just giving the fans all they wanted (dreams are dreams ;P)

Silly ofcourse but please indulge me in this weird train of thought. I wonder if there was a Bill Gates out there that would like the endings changed, what kind of a donation would it require to get BW's attention? (A). And im not saying this for BW to **** themselves out, i just wonder what kind of money it would take for a huge company like this to be tempted :P

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Jere85 wrote...

Had a silly dream last night where i had tons of money and was able to donate a large amount of money to BW so they could add more stunning DLC, including IT and what not, just giving the fans all they wanted (dreams are dreams ;P)

Silly ofcourse but please indulge me in this weird train of thought. I wonder if there was a Bill Gates out there that would like the endings changed, what kind of a donation would it require to get BW's attention? (A). And im not saying this for BW to **** themselves out, i just wonder what kind of money it would take for a huge company like this to be tempted :P

I have this feeling 20€ won't suffice...

I'd gladly donate 200000€, but I don't think that'd be enough.

Modifié par estebanus, 18 août 2012 - 04:20 .


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I would point out that the memories we see in the Geth Consensus mission are cherry picked for a variety of reasons, the two most prominent being:
1. Storytelling wise, to give the Geth a more sympathetic face.
2. Because those particular memories were necessary to remind the other Geth hooked to the network that they once tried to cooperate with organics, and here was an organic (Shepard) fighting alongside a Geth (Legion) to remind them of the nobler goals they once pursued.  The Reaper on Rannoch had those memories sealed off for a reason.

The memories chosen were specifically not atrocities committed by the Geth.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 18 août 2012 - 04:21 .


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Bumped since it got drowned out the last time.  PEOPLE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH!!! Posted Image


I stand corrected.  Thank you.

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@CoolioThane Relax, I never said you did. I was just joking, didn't mean to upset you.

Modifié par Arashi08, 18 août 2012 - 04:25 .


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