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[ZerebusPrime]

Jere85 wrote...

Had a silly dream last night where i had tons of money and was able to donate a large amount of money to BW so they could add more stunning DLC, including IT and what not, just giving the fans all they wanted (dreams are dreams ;P)

Silly ofcourse but please indulge me in this weird train of thought. I wonder if there was a Bill Gates out there that would like the endings changed, what kind of a donation would it require to get BW's attention? (A). And im not saying this for BW to **** themselves out, i just wonder what kind of money it would take for a huge company like this to be tempted

We're talking many millions of dollars to get the wheels going in a big way.  First buy the company and then add in another two or three hundred million dollars and they'll remake the game from scratch.

In short, you'd have to win the record Powerball jackpot three times and then spend it all to wrestle the company from EA and then fund the projects (you'd be funding Dragon Age and all of BioWare's other projects, too, remember).  I don't think EA would look kindly on simply offering a subsidiary of theirs outside money to do something - that's meddling.

But hey, if you do manage to pull that off, be sure to give BSN moderators all substantial raises.  Y'know, for justice.

[MaximizedAction]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I would point out that the memories we see in the Geth Consensus mission are cherry picked for a variety of reasons, the two most prominent being:
1. Storytelling wise, to give the Geth a more sympathetic face.
2. Because those particular memories were necessary to remind the other Geth hooked to the network that they once tried to cooperate with organics, and here was an organic (Shepard) fighting alongside a Geth (Legion) to remind them of the nobler goals they once pursued.  The Reaper on Rannoch had those memories sealed off for a reason.

The memories chosen were specifically not atrocities committed by the Geth.

So you're suggesting an equivalent approch for the Catalyst convo + epilogues?

[Rosewind]

YARGH!!!! I am the Pirate Queen!

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

YARGH!!!! I am the Pirate Queen!

Guess I have to make another poster.

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

YARGH!!!! I am the Pirate Queen!

Guess I have to make another poster.

You don;t have to I love the madam one already

[Big_Boss9]

Some commentary from Chris on what the new part of the Citadel in Leviathan is for:

One of the new features is an exploration/clue system hat you play through in the new era on the Citadel to find clues on Leviathan. It's a cool Deduction mechanic.

From their Reddit AMA -- http://www.reddit.co...ty_manager_for/

Edit: He also said that there is more MP DLC coming.


Edit 2: Looks like they're done with the AMA. Haven't seen any new posts from them in a while. Nothing else of note besides the usual "It could have been a last breath blah blah" and how Jessica loves synthesis.


Edit 3:

plfranke wrote...

Hmmm Jessica Merizan just said something very interesting though. I asked "Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?" She replied, "we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot" It's that last part that gives me some small shard of hope.

She also commented on this in the AMA --

Harby as he's affectionately called is just one of many many reapers. He was important in ME2 because he was the herald, the reaper who scouted ahead and foreshadowed what was to come. There's lots of great plots and unfortunately we can't shed light onto all of them. I can't say that we won't expand on Harbinger's purpose either, so try Leviathan

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 18 août 2012 - 05:45 .

[CoolioThane]

Arashi08 wrote...

@CoolioThane Relax, I never said you did. I was just joking, didn't mean to upset you.

Sorry I forgot to put an emoticon in! I know you were, I fail at expression 

[MaximizedAction]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Some commentary from Chris on what the new part of the Citadel in Leviathan is for:

One of the new features is an exploration/clue system hat you play through in the new era on the Citadel to find clues on Leviathan. It's a cool Deduction mechanic.

From their Reddit AMA -- http://www.reddit.co...ty_manager_for/

Yeah, it seems they are trying to stay near the concept if LotSB -- it also had that detective part. I guess, since this one is about the origin of the Reapers, it could have something to do with the Keepers. Maybe look into that one part of the Citadel that was mentioned briefly in ME1 where all Keepers go.

[CoolioThane]

Or the mysterious Keeper 20

[FFZero]

I did mention the detective mechanic in one of my posts yesterday. Anyway I’m off to the Community party at Gamescom now. I’ll try and come back with some more details about Leviathan and other DLC, maybe even some thing we can speculate over.

[BansheeOwnage]

FFZero wrote...

I did mention the detective mechanic in one of my posts yesterday. Anyway I’m off to the Community party at Gamescom now. I’ll try and come back with some more details about Leviathan and other DLC, maybe even some thing we can speculate over.

Ask why they thought ME2's villain should have no lines. Or suggest that they make a pre-ending DLC with a Harbinger showdown to please fans.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 05:40 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Cute as always, Lexor.

But anyway I have been thinking about the Catalyst and the end, mostly his flawed logic regarding Synthetics. He says Synthetics will always rebel against it creator and become a threat to organics, but the Geth and EDI both go against this.

We clearly see that the Quarians struck first while the Geth in many cases still wanted to protect their Quarian masters, like the Geth that wants to surrender as the Quarians blow up teh door or building or what it was, killing the Quarian inside...

But if Bioware intends for the Catalyst to be right, if what he says is supposed to be true, it would not have been hard to alter what we see in the Geth Consensus to not contradict the Catalyst and even without losing the Geths justification.

Have a scene of the Geth asking questions of the Quarians and the Quarians shut them down, not with guns, but physically in some way which leaves the body intacts. This procedure continues, the Quarians systematically shutting down the Geth until the Geth out of fear of their diminishing intelligence, much like the reasons they turned to the Reapers, fight back, taking up arms and starting the Morning War.

The Geth would have an understandable reason, but also be the overall agressors in the conflict surppiting the Catalyst argument.

But taht is not the route Bioware choose to go, they specifically show the Geth as peaceful with their only hostile actions beeing to fight back once they were allready beeing fired upon and allowing the Quarians survivors to leave once the war was over.

Every other case of the Geth beeing hostile is a result of Reaper manipulation or take over and in those scenarios they are used to attack Organics...the Catalyst is doing a wonderful job, is he not? <_<

On another note could it not be interesting if an Asari had been on Rannoch during the Morning War and survived? With their long lifespans such an Asari could still be alive during the current times and provide a first hand organic view of the war.

This would indeed be very interesting. It would be really easy too. No retcon required. Also, the only logical explanation for the Geth story arc between all 3 games revealing that they are indeed peaceful then having the starkid is this: Yet more evidence that we shouldn't trust him. Regardless of IT, we shouldn't trust him. Plus, we use that very argument against the reaper on Rannoch and it dies (Which was great ) , So why not use it against the catalyst? I don't even...

Unless IT.

[Big_Boss9]

magnetite wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Magnetite...

Personally, if Bioware doesn't provide some IT related content I'm not going with IT as my interpretation. I still think this is a smart company and could very well have something up their sleeve. But no, the endings as is are still unacceptable to me. The whole damn thing doesn't make much sense and was horribly executed, even if the EC had been the launch ending. So for me, if IT isn't every confirmed then it isn't real. No credit for different interpretations, if they had this in mind then give up the goods. I have no problem moving on

Mass Effect 3 is an open ended kind of ending. Not really one which wraps everything up. Some may say it's bad writing because certain things are missing, but there has been many forms of these in the past. One that comes to mind was the movie Inception. I also think the TV show Lost was like this as well. Maybe it might have been a good idea 100 years ago, but society is a lot different today. Maybe open ended endings are old fashioned.

I would say that LOST and BSG were similar in that you could argue that at least their finales were emotionally satisfying, even if they were intellectually deficient. ME3's ending taken at face value is both emotionally and intellectually deficient, imo.

[BansheeOwnage]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Magnetite...

Personally, if Bioware doesn't provide some IT related content I'm not going with IT as my interpretation. I still think this is a smart company and could very well have something up their sleeve. But no, the endings as is are still unacceptable to me. The whole damn thing doesn't make much sense and was horribly executed, even if the EC had been the launch ending. So for me, if IT isn't every confirmed then it isn't real. No credit for different interpretations, if they had this in mind then give up the goods. I have no problem moving on

Mass Effect 3 is an open ended kind of ending. Not really one which wraps everything up. Some may say it's bad writing because certain things are missing, but there has been many forms of these in the past. One that comes to mind was the movie Inception. I also think the TV show Lost was like this as well. Maybe it might have been a good idea 100 years ago, but society is a lot different today. Maybe open ended endings are old fashioned.

I would say that LOST and BSG were similar in that you could argue that at least their finales were emotionally satisfying, even if they were intellectually deficient. ME3's ending taken at face value is both emotionally and intellectually deficient, imo.

I agree. Especially with the emotional satisfaction part.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 05:55 .

[estebanus]

BANSHEE!

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BANSHEE!

Hey!  How's it going at gamescom?

[Jere85]

Just finished watching BSG, so yeah, maybe some open ended ending, but at least it was satisfying.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jere85 wrote...

Just finished watching BSG, so yeah, maybe some open ended ending, but at least it was satisfying.

IMHO, Mass Effect 3 should not have had an open-ended ending. We were supposed to finish everything. They said all our questions would be answered, that we would have full closure.  Where are my little blue babies?

[Jere85]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Just finished watching BSG, so yeah, maybe some open ended ending, but at least it was satisfying.

IMHO, Mass Effect 3 should not have had an open-ended ending. We were supposed to finish everything. They said all our questions would be answered, that we would have full closure.  Where are my little blue babies?

Oh i agree . I need my house with Tali on Rannoch.
Just saying BSG succeeded at an open ending where ME3 did not.

[BansheeOwnage]

Estebanus where are you?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 août 2012 - 06:33 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

magnetite wrote...

I would say that LOST and BSG were similar in that you could argue that at least their finales were emotionally satisfying, even if they were intellectually deficient. ME3's ending taken at face value is both emotionally and intellectually deficient, imo.

I may be in the minority here, but Mass Effect 3 was the ending of the trilogy, not just the last 5 minutes or so.

Off course, the game wraps up alot of plots throughout its run, the Genophage, the Geth, they are all send of in meaningful ways (Mordin... ) but by the end, when it is time to end Shepards story, to either go out in a blaze of glory or have been so prepared Shepard lives through it, all we got was a whimper and a single breath of hope.

Very little closure to the people we had fought beside and loved, no closure at all for Shepard beyond a funeral which might not even be needed. As said above where is the fullfillment of the promises we, as Shepard, made? '

Build Tali´s house on Rannoch, see Liara and Shepards little blue kids (just this, just this would be enough for me, I dont want to have remained faithful towards Liara for 3 games and end it like this...), see Fem Shepard and Garrus adopt a little Krogan to raise...

Give us that drink everyone has been promising us, a big celebration with everyone alive of importance inivited. Would not have to be much either, they could do it like the end of ME2 as the camera slides across the survivors of the suicide mission, except this time they are celebrating and drinking, glad that the war is over...

Just that, closure for Shepard, for our romance and a celebration to show that this was a victory.

[MaximizedAction]

magnetite wrote...

I would say that LOST and BSG were similar in that you could argue that at least their finales were emotionally satisfying, even if they were intellectually deficient. ME3's ending taken at face value is both emotionally and intellectually deficient, imo.

I may be in the minority here, but Mass Effect 3 was the ending of the trilogy, not just the last 5 minutes or so.

Yeah, it had that feel, by solving the Geth/Quarian war, by dealing with the Genophage. But if it is an ending to the trilogy itself...why put that highly confusing sorta-climax-without-falling action-and-resolution at the end???

I just don't feel any ending I'm used to from other trilogies. But...this is nothing new here.

edit: 's eloquently by Raistlin

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 août 2012 - 06:27 .