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[FFZero]

Okay I’ve just got back from the Community Party, had a great time and Chris and Jessica are absolutely lovely people, however on the IT front...things don’t sound good depending on your outlook/interpretation of IT.

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.

As for DLC, I tried to find out how much DLC we should expect for ME3, whether it would be more or less than ME2 and she was tight lipped over it since she said things could easily change like it did for DA2. She did say however that all ME3 DLC is already planned out.

I also brought up how could Shepard survive the explosion on the Citadel and she kind of dodged the question brining up the section seals on the citadel and such. I also asked where Shepard was in the Breath ending and she said that it doesn’t really matter whether Shepard is on the Citadel or somewhere else at this point and when I pointed out the concrete she said there was concrete on the Citadel. When I said that there wasn’t and I’ve looked through the game files to confirm it she dodged the question by saying ‘Well you’re on a new and unknown part of the Citadel’

Oh, one more thing, I asked about the future possibility of Prequels and how they wouldn’t really work since we already know how every major conflict in this cycle ends and how setting it in past cycles is pretty pointless since we know how things will end eventually. She was just very vague on that point saying that there are details that we don’t know.

We talked about loads of other things but that's the main stuff, so yeah,nothing new to add really, though both Jessica and Chris are trying to find a way to stop the constant fighting between people who believe in IT and those who don’t. I said this was pretty much impossible unless they come out and say one way or the other if IT is true or not, which they’ve said they aren’t going to do. So it's pretty much a wait and see approach from here on out, let’s hope Bioware do something to salvage things.

[Jere85]

@FFZero, thanks for the post!

The information in it is quite depressing though.
But i guess we will wait and see.

[Drewton]

From what I've been hearing lately, I really don't have high hopes that the IT is true anymore unfortunately. I don't have high hopes for Leviathan at all.

Regardless,, the IT will be how I continue to interpret the game.

Modifié par Drewton, 18 août 2012 - 10:46 .

[estebanus]

Hopefully, if synthesis occurs naturally, we won't have those weird skin patterns and freaky, glowing green eyes, because those things disgust me.

[DJBare]

Finally I know what is wrong with the destroy option, I cannot believe I never thought of the obvious, perhaps someone already did, but I'll post anyway.

Indoctrination works best when victim and reaper goals coincide, the stated goal of the reapers is to prevent synthetics destroying organics, but I never considered that goal when I chose destroy, the only thing that went through my mind at the time is yes it's a sad sacrifice, what did not occur to me is I just did what the reapers set out to do, stop synthetics.

[munnellyladt]

Alright that proves it,they didn't intend IT.

[paxxton]

On the contrary, I'm excited about the Leviathan DLC. It's the first SP DLC that expands the story of Mass Effect 3. Considering who Leviathan is I'm expecting a really good treat in terms of revealing some major revelations.

[Drewton]

FFZero wrote...

The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later.

That's really just ridiculous and impossible. Synthetics have no DNA, and if they did they only way it would work would be to breed synthetics and organics. However much you become attached to Legion, Geth still don't have souls.

Not to mention that forcing synthetic implants on every single person is plain wrong. Synthesis is the worst ending for both IT and literal interpretations.

Modifié par Drewton, 18 août 2012 - 10:57 .

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

Finally I know what is wrong with the destroy option, I cannot believe I never thought of the obvious, perhaps someone already did, but I'll post anyway.

Indoctrination works best when victim and reaper goals coincide, the stated goal of the reapers is to prevent synthetics destroying organics, but I never considered that goal when I chose destroy, the only thing that went through my mind at the time is yes it's a sad sacrifice, what did not occur to me is I just did what the reapers set out to do, stop synthetics.

Hehehe. I told you all along - Control is the means to survival.

[estebanus]

munnellyladt wrote...

Alright that proves it,they didn't intend IT.

Why didn't you listen when Chris Priestly said it? How does this suddenly change anything?

[DoomsdayDevice]

DJBare wrote...

what did not occur to me is I just did what the reapers set out to do, stop synthetics.

What did not occur to you is that to believe that, is to believe what the Reaper AI says.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 18 août 2012 - 10:54 .

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

Hehehe. I told you all along - Control is the means to survival.

Nope. Control is the means to death, Shepard's and everyone's.

[FFZero]

Jere85 wrote...

@FFZero, thanks for the post!

The information in it is quite depressing though.
But i guess we will wait and see.

Yeah it is rather depressing but nothing has changed from what we knew pre-gamescom. This could all still be Bioware being misleading. I personally don’t think so but that’s just me.

Drewton wrote...

From what I've been hearing lately, I
really don't have high hopes that the IT is true anymore unfortunately. I
don't have high hopes for Leviathan at all.

Regardless,, the IT will be how I continue to interpret the game.

That’s the thing, it can be true in your ending. Bioware just aren’t going to say one way or the other. It's how they've written it and how they intended it to be. You're meant to headcanon things 

Interestingly Jessica has a playthrough dedicated to IT, in her interpretation the hallucination starts after Anderson dies and basically choosing destroy allows her to enable the console Anderson was originally using before TIM showed up which enables to crucible to fire.

I don't think that's a interpretation that's been talked about in here before right?

[CoolioThane]

Again: If the Extended Cut truly is the final endings 100% why not call it the Final Cut and be done with it?

[DJBare]

munnellyladt wrote...

Alright that proves it,they didn't intend IT.

If you are referring to my post, then I disagree, here's why, I was in essence indoctrinated through 2 and a half games to stop the reapers NOT all synthetics, but when I reached the goal I failed by giving the reapers exactly what they wanted, the destruction of synthetics.


I'm going to stick with that, for me personally I've finally eliminated those three choices leaving only refuse.

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hehehe. I told you all along - Control is the means to survival.

Nope. Control is the means to death, Shepard's and everyone's.

I don't consider Shepard to be dead after choosing Control. His self was transfered to a different medium, that's all. One caveat: the new Shepard is aware of the fact that his entity is seperate from the fleshy one and that leaves open the possibility of future rebellion.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Hey everyone! Hope you are all doing well. I am very happy to finally show a trailer and announce the release date for CW Episode 1. It will be out on the 24th of August, the Friday before Leviathan comes out. It will be in the neighborhood of a half hour long, and will be fully narrated. 


Choose Wisely - Episode 1 Trailer

For those who dont know, Choose Wisely is going to be a series that focuses on the themes of the trilogy, and how they apply to the endings. If you havent already, check out the pilot video for the series, linked in my sig below. 

Looking forward to it very much! Hopefully it will renew some people's belief in IT. Looks like we could use a morale boost!

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

Again: If the Extended Cut truly is the final endings 100% why not call it the Final Cut and be done with it?

Weil isso, halt.

In all seriousness though, it's because movie directors often call expanded movie editions "extended cuts." The same goes with the extended VCR versions of the lord of the rings. They were all called "the extended edition."

[paxxton]

Next Friday. Nice.

[spotlessvoid]

Schrodinger's cat? Wtf? Completely irrelevant to the ME endings. It isn't some goddam paradox, they either did it intentionally or they didn't. The ending can't be "interpreted" as IT because it's then totally unfinished. If they didn't intend IT they need to man the **** up. Soon

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 18 août 2012 - 11:01 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

FFZero wrote...


Interestingly Jessica has a playthrough dedicated to IT, in her interpretation the hallucination starts after Anderson dies and basically choosing destroy allows her to enable the console Anderson was originally using before TIM showed up which enables to crucible to fire.

I don't think that's a interpretation that's been talked about in here before right?

Not really in that sense, but some people have voiced their opinion that it's just the boy that is in your head and the rest is real. How Shep survives the explosion that takes out the complete base of the citadel is another story entirely.

I don't see how that could be true.

Also, the ambient sounds in the breath scene are supposedly the same ambient sounds as in the FOB.

Also, if they wanted the breath scene to look like the citadel, they shouldn't have used so much concrete rubble.

"You're in a new area of the citadel" is ridiculous. The Reapers build giant space stations using concrete? Really?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 18 août 2012 - 11:00 .

[DJBare]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

What did not occur to you is that to believe that, is to believe what the Reaper AI says.

This could get convoluted rather quick so I'll keep this short, yes I believe he was telling the truth at that point, it then came down to individual "player" how they percieved those words, you for example obviously believe he could be lying, initially I also thought the same, but it's a double bluff in my opinion, he wants you to think he is lying.

[Galifreya]

FFZero....did you ask about Shepard's "bullet" wound at the end? Like, where the frak did it come from? That would've been a good question.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hehehe. I told you all along - Control is the means to survival.

Nope. Control is the means to death, Shepard's and everyone's.

I don't consider Shepard to be dead after choosing Control. His self was transfered to a different medium, that's all. One caveat: the new Shepard is aware of the fact that his entity is seperate from the fleshy one and that leaves open the possibility of future rebellion.

Shepard is dead. This "new Shepard" you're talking about is nothing but a poor imitation loosely based on the original. for lack of a better word, you could call it an "abomination", if you will.

[plfranke]

DJBare wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Alright that proves it,they didn't intend IT.

If you are referring to my post, then I disagree, here's why, I was in essence indoctrinated through 2 and a half games to stop the reapers NOT all synthetics, but when I reached the goal I failed by giving the reapers exactly what they wanted, the destruction of synthetics.


I'm going to stick with that, for me personally I've finally eliminated those three choices leaving only refuse.

So just standing around doing nothing is the only way to not be indoctrinated? My God, I never thought I'd see the day when even Djbare, an Iter I've respected from the beginning, went off the deep end.