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#11526
estebanus

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's a pity there is only a single SP DLC for Deus Ex: HR.

Not everything needs MP.

I meant that Square Enix should make more SP DLCs for Deus Ex. Posted Image

I'd like some ending DLC. I'd like to know what exactly happens to Adam.

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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

DJBare wrote...

plfranke wrote...
Spill it bare, this may be your redeeming idea.

Praise the lord to be redeemed!, huh no, I do not require redemption for an opinion, but thanks for the offer.

Your idea, your rules, your loss. And trust me, after that opinion you could have used the redemption.

Redemption for what? Is there even anything that needs to be redeemed? And more importantly, who are you to judge what another person needs or not?

Who are you to ask who I am? You people really need to get a sense of humor, did you not even see the James Vega quote in there or were you too busy trying to look for something to criticize?

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FFZero wrote...

Okay I’ve just got back from the Community Party, had a great time and Chris and Jessica are absolutely lovely people, however on the IT front...things don’t sound good depending on your outlook/interpretation of IT.

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.


We already know that it is either right/wrong or both. Not new news. On the synthesis, Jessica has said that Synthesis is her favorite. I say she has a biased perception on it like all people do with the whatever choice you make. My favorite is Destroy and I am biased towards it but it doesn't make me 100% right even though I have good reasons.

As for DLC, I tried to find out how much DLC we should expect for ME3, whether it would be more or less than ME2 and she was tight lipped over it since she said things could easily change like it did for DA2. She did say however that all ME3 DLC is already planned out.


Nothing new here.

I also brought up how could Shepard survive the explosion on the Citadel and she kind of dodged the question brining up the section seals on the citadel and such. I also asked where Shepard was in the Breath ending and she said that it doesn’t really matter whether Shepard is on the Citadel or somewhere else at this point and when I pointed out the concrete she said there was concrete on the Citadel. When I said that there wasn’t and I’ve looked through the game files to confirm it she dodged the question by saying ‘Well you’re on a new and unknown part of the Citadel’


She is obviously talking BS here. She is just using comments other devs used to make a response she cannot answer. PS. If there was concrete in the Citadel why haven't we seen any? Reapers are also made of the same stuff as the relays + Citadel. They don't have concrete in them. I seriously call BS.

Oh, one more thing, I asked about the future possibility of Prequels and how they wouldn’t really work since we already know how every major conflict in this cycle ends and how setting it in past cycles is pretty pointless since we know how things will end eventually. She was just very vague on that point saying that there are details that we don’t know.


Okay nothing new.

We talked about loads of other things but that's the main stuff, so yeah,nothing new to add really, though both Jessica and Chris are trying to find a way to stop the constant fighting between people who believe in IT and those who don’t. I said this was pretty much impossible unless they come out and say one way or the other if IT is true or not, which they’ve said they aren’t going to do. So it's pretty much a wait and see approach from here on out, let’s hope Bioware do something to salvage things.


They won't tell us is BS. If they expect people to stay with IT in the near future they better tell us or at least give some good damn evidence suggesting one or the other. People are getting frustrated and it will only get worse. If they at least said they would tell us eventually I would be fine, but this ambigous stuff is annoying me to no end. 

Over all I think that Chris and Jess are spreading nonsense around to stall for time for BioWare to do what they have to do.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 août 2012 - 11:59 .


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plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

DJBare wrote...

plfranke wrote...
Spill it bare, this may be your redeeming idea.

Praise the lord to be redeemed!, huh no, I do not require redemption for an opinion, but thanks for the offer.

Your idea, your rules, your loss. And trust me, after that opinion you could have used the redemption.

Redemption for what? Is there even anything that needs to be redeemed? And more importantly, who are you to judge what another person needs or not?

Who are you to ask who I am? You people really need to get a sense of humor, did you not even see the James Vega quote in there or were you too busy trying to look for something to criticize?

Who are you to ask who I am to ask who you are to ask? You shoulda probably made it clear that it wasn't serious by adding a smilie.

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estebanus wrote...

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It's a pity there is only a single SP DLC for Deus Ex: HR.

Not everything needs MP. It sucks that Bethesda are making a TES MMO.

ME3 did not need MP either, I did give it a try and have to admit had some fun, but it's not just about fun, it's about holding peoples interest, for me the fun turned into boredom very quickly "Oh wait, I've done this already"; when you get over the next hill you want to see something different, that's why most people climb the hill.

Huh, excuse the metaphores.

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No spoilers allowed.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 août 2012 - 12:00 .


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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

DJBare wrote...

plfranke wrote...
Spill it bare, this may be your redeeming idea.

Praise the lord to be redeemed!, huh no, I do not require redemption for an opinion, but thanks for the offer.

Your idea, your rules, your loss. And trust me, after that opinion you could have used the redemption.

Redemption for what? Is there even anything that needs to be redeemed? And more importantly, who are you to judge what another person needs or not?

Who are you to ask who I am? You people really need to get a sense of humor, did you not even see the James Vega quote in there or were you too busy trying to look for something to criticize?

Who are you to ask who I am to ask who you are to ask? You shoulda probably made it clear that it wasn't serious by adding a smilie.

Actually it should have been Who are you to ask who I am to ask who you are to judge. And just so that you know that I'm joking Posted Image 
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Estebanus, that is the essence of life. Who are we, exactly? Why are we here? What is the point of anything?

(Awesome people would claim 42, but that's besides the point)



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FFZero wrote...

Okay I’ve just got back from the Community Party, had a great time and Chris and Jessica are absolutely lovely people, however on the IT front...things don’t sound good depending on your outlook/interpretation of IT.

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is
inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.

As for DLC, I tried to find out how much DLC we should expect for ME3, whether it would be more or less than ME2 and she was tight lipped over it since she said things could easily change like it did for DA2. She did say however that all ME3 DLC is already planned out.

I also brought up how could Shepard survive the explosion on the Citadel and she kind of dodged the question brining up the section seals on the citadel and such. I also asked where Shepard was in the Breath ending and she said that it doesn’t really matter whether Shepard is on the Citadel or somewhere else at this point and when I pointed out the concrete she said there was concrete on the Citadel. When I said that there wasn’t and I’ve looked through the game files to confirm it she dodged the question by saying ‘Well you’re on a new and unknown part of the Citadel’

Oh, one more thing, I asked about the future possibility of Prequels and how they wouldn’t really work since we already know how every major conflict in this cycle ends and how setting it in past cycles is pretty pointless since we know how things will end eventually. She was just very vague on that point saying that there are details that we don’t know.

We talked about loads of other things but that's the main stuff, so yeah,nothing new to add really, though both Jessica and Chris are trying to find a way to stop the constant fighting between people who believe in IT and those who don’t. I said this was pretty much impossible unless they come out and say one way or the other if IT is true or not, which they’ve said they aren’t going to do. So it's pretty much a wait and see approach from here on out, let’s hope Bioware do something to salvage things.


Oy...

Indifference is slowly but surely overcoming my excitement. Maybe this means I'm not not a good enough ME fan, I don't know.

But one thing is for certain. If they're really sincere that it is absolutely legit to allow an IT-wise interpretation on the one hand and not expanding on the endings on the other... then I think I don't really understand IT...or at least the IT they are talking about. If so, I'd love to, at some point, find out what version of IT they are referring to, because it is not one I can comprehend at this point.
And it is starting to feel like those poetry analyses classes, where the apparently correct interpretation was none I could've either sense, or relate to.

In short: my interest in the game is fading slowly. Doesn't matter if it's Chris or Mike: one is getting the hopes up, the other one is crashing them again...so excuse me if I'm such a downer but I don't think being disappointed is such an irrational state under these circumstances.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 août 2012 - 11:58 .


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Hold on a second,I just read over FFzero's post again.
I'm confused,no prequels?
But I almost gaurentee that there will be another mass effect game.
Can that happen?

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Guess I should have bugged out on the Normandy like Liara suggested then


I don't know what to think anymore. Not just with Mass Effect 3, but it's a known fact that people do not like change. The ending to Mass Effect 3 is very different than what you normally see (usually a happy ending). People stick with what's familiar and the unknown just creates more fear and uproar. Maybe they should have just done a happy ending, but that may have upset some people because they've seen that kind of thing a thousand times before. No sense of originality there. Mass Effect in general was a game series that nothing like this had ever been done before. Carrying choices throughout all three games and each game ties into the other ones in some way. The ending might have been the same way.

Modifié par magnetite, 19 août 2012 - 12:01 .


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munnellyladt wrote...

Hold on a second,I just read over FFzero's post again.
I'm confused,no prequels?
But I almost gaurentee that there will be another mass effect game.
Can that happen?

Jessica didn't say there would be no prequels. That was part of FFZero's question to her explaining why he thought prequels wouldn't make sense. Her response was merely "There are details we don't know". and being generally vague.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 19 août 2012 - 12:03 .


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magnetite wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Magnetite:

Guess I should have bugged out on the Normandy like Liara suggested then


I don't know what to think anymore. Not just with Mass Effect 3, but it's a known fact that people do not like change. The ending to Mass Effect 3 is very different than what you normally see (usually a happy ending). People stick with what's familiar and the unknown just creates more fear and uproar. Maybe they should have just done a happy ending, but that may have upset some people because they've seen that kind of thing a thousand times before. No sense of originality there. Mass Effect in general was a game series that nothing like this had ever been done before. Carrying choices throughout all three games and each game ties into the other ones in some way. The ending might have been the same way.

There does seem to be a growing trend across all forms of media with popular franchises opting on leaving endings vague and open-ended in an attempt to be "artistic and deep". Sometimes it works, sometimes it's a disaster.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Hold on a second,I just read over FFzero's post again.
I'm confused,no prequels?
But I almost gaurentee that there will be another mass effect game.
Can that happen?

Jessica didn't say there would be no prequels. That was part of FFZero's question to her explaining why he thought prequels wouldn't make sense. Her response was merely "There are details we don't know". and being generally vague.

 mass effect needs to have choice,prequels in the mass effect universe would take the whole choice thing out of the equation and leave us with a gears of war experience.

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I hold the opinion that Jessica has literally no idea what's going on. So that's my head-cannon. Didn't she say something about mars back when this all started? So no I don't trust what she says.

Agreed though, my interest comes and goes. When EC first came out I said to hell with it all. But I find myself back again trying to make sense of what I saw.

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*sees all the arguing*

*in a husky voice*
"I never asked for this."

*puts on deus ex shades*

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munnellyladt wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Hold on a second,I just read over FFzero's post again.
I'm confused,no prequels?
But I almost gaurentee that there will be another mass effect game.
Can that happen?

Jessica didn't say there would be no prequels. That was part of FFZero's question to her explaining why he thought prequels wouldn't make sense. Her response was merely "There are details we don't know". and being generally vague.

 mass effect needs to have choice,prequels in the mass effect universe would take the whole choice thing out of the equation and leave us with a gears of war experience.

I'm not keen on prequels either, I was merely pointing out that Jessica did not say there would be no prequels. She wouldn't know something like that anyway at this stage.

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No spoilers allowed.

Well that sucks. Poor Jensen.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 12:09 .


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i'm with you Maximized. Starting to not give a ****

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More obfuscation from Bioware.

I'm getting rather tired of feeling trolled.

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CoolioThane wrote...

i'm with you Maximized. Starting to not give a ****

Good, good... Let the hate flow through you...

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Hold on a second,I just read over FFzero's post again.
I'm confused,no prequels?
But I almost gaurentee that there will be another mass effect game.
Can that happen?

Jessica didn't say there would be no prequels. That was part of FFZero's question to her explaining why he thought prequels wouldn't make sense. Her response was merely "There are details we don't know". and being generally vague.

 mass effect needs to have choice,prequels in the mass effect universe would take the whole choice thing out of the equation and leave us with a gears of war experience.

I'm not keen on prequels either, I was merely pointing out that Jessica did not say there would be no prequels. She wouldn't know something like that anyway at this stage.


Still a prequel does not offer the ME experience but if they were planning a me4(which i highly doubt)then they will definetly have challange making that.

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Can't help but think of what Mac Walters said. He said they make a rough draft of the story and fill in the blanks. Maybe they wrote the beginning and the end of this game first, then just filled in the blanks. Perhaps the ending was written when they first started working on the game.

For some writers, it's a lot easier to write the ending first, than to work from the beginning to the end.

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Hey estebanus? Why you no answer my post on Project Verum?

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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

i'm with you Maximized. Starting to not give a ****

Good, good... Let the hate flow through you...


It's not hate, it's anguish :P

I'm still a believer! I haven't become like you (yet) :lol: