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[demersel]

firstarioch wrote...

CoolioThane

Lol...Sorry old anger is still there ...resurfacing occasionally ...lol
But if Zesczuk is out how long before Muzyka goes ?
Really im not counting Hudson as he useless ... The man I really mourned leaving was Karpyshyn...
He is the one behind ME writing really ...

I really feel you guys are being unfair to Casey Hudson. After all he is Mass Effect. It was his dream, his vision, his baby, right from the start. You really should give the man credit for what he's already done - you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him. And Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't be hired in the first place. 

Remember - it's not all said and done untill it is all said and done. And Mass Effect universe is far from done with yet. 

Before you argue that ME3 was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story and it failed at that - Well, Mass effect 3 isn't done yet either. We live in interesting time, and the team said countless times that the DLCs give them new ways of telling a story. 

[masster blaster]

So what have I missed again. I wish I could have told Arian, and Sub about my new grammar, and spelling, and that I have been posting some interesting post. As are a lot of others too.

[firstarioch]

demersel wrote...

I really feel you guys are being unfair to Casey Hudson. After all he is Mass Effect. It was his dream, his vision, his baby, right from the start. You really should give the man credit for what he's already done - you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him. And Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't be hired in the first place. 

Remember - it's not all said and done untill it is all said and done. And Mass Effect universe is far from done with yet. 

Before you argue that ME3 was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story and it failed at that - Well, Mass effect 3 isn't done yet either. We live in interesting time, and the team said countless times that the DLCs give them new ways of telling a story. 

Look mate .. just becasue you have a vision or an overall concept it doesnt mean that you can put on in motion in a right way. 
Look at ME1 and its story arc and look at ME3 its like completely different games !!! Me1 everything is coherent and makes sense ...

Where do you see conflict between organics and synthestics brewing in ME1? or is even hinted ?
after of during the end cycle of ME2 Drew left and Casey thought that maybe since he is so great or that he alone can do it right....
And right he did.....lol:O

[masster blaster]

Simon_Says wrote...

I asked earlier about Anderson mentioning the reapers planning something big in London. Specifically, when it took place. Because if it was before Thessia it would have been proof that the reapers were planning the events of Priority: Earth with the beam and such even before they could have had knowledge from Vendetta about the Crucible or the Catalyst.

I found this post from Masster. He implies it's before Thessia. The dialogue also suggests that.

"Unite And Subvert" theory confirmed I think.

Anyway I'm out for the night. Laters.

                                                                                                                                                                                   yes it is before thessia, and the weird part is that anderson, does not getting any details about this mission. yet in mp we do, but in sp, we do not hear anything, about what they found, and recovered at all.

[CoolioThane]

Masster, now you're just using commas in completely the wrong places :L

First I've tried registering on that site, so hope to post soon!

[D.Sharrah]

firstarioch wrote...


Where do you see conflict between organics and synthestics brewing in ME1? or is even hinted ?

Really?  Do you want examples?

The AI on the Citadel that tries to blow you up
AI on Luna (that we discover in ME 3 was EDI)
The Morning War (Geth v. Quarians)
A huge part of Saren's army being Geth
The Reapers themselves (being synthetics that want to harvest all organic life and all)

And that's just from ME 1!

It's a theme that has been present and fairly strong from the beginning...I think that the events of ME 3 and the info presented there not only strenghtens it but reveals it a little bit more.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

D.Sharrah wrote...

firstarioch wrote...


Where do you see conflict between organics and synthestics brewing in ME1? or is even hinted ?

Really?  Do you want examples?

The AI on the Citadel that tries to blow you up
AI on Luna (that we discover in ME 3 was EDI)
The Morning War (Geth v. Quarians)
A huge part of Saren's army being Geth heretics
The Reapers themselves (being synthetics that want to harvest all organic life and all)

And that's just from ME 1!

It's a theme that has been present and fairly strong from the beginning...I think that the events of ME 3 and the info presented there not only strenghtens it but reveals it a little bit more.

Thought I should fix that for you.

[masster blaster]

Hey D.Sharrah, long time no seen. What have you been up to?

[D.Sharrah]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey D.Sharrah, long time no seen. What have you been up to?

Lurking...and playing MP.  Haven't been posting much, cause I am waiting for Leviathan (think it will open up huge discussions).

@Puny:  Great point.  Thanks for fixing it! 

[D.Sharrah]

masster blaster wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I asked earlier about Anderson mentioning the reapers planning something big in London. Specifically, when it took place. Because if it was before Thessia it would have been proof that the reapers were planning the events of Priority: Earth with the beam and such even before they could have had knowledge from Vendetta about the Crucible or the Catalyst.

I found this post from Masster. He implies it's before Thessia. The dialogue also suggests that.

"Unite And Subvert" theory confirmed I think.

Anyway I'm out for the night. Laters.

                                                                                                                                                                                   yes it is before thessia, and the weird part is that anderson, does not getting any details about this mission. yet in mp we do, but in sp, we do not hear anything, about what they found, and recovered at all.

Are you suggesting that Operation Olympus is the response to this "something big in London"?  If so, that definetly helps to clarify the timeline of MP a bit.

[firstarioch]

Modifié par firstarioch, 19 août 2012 - 02:46 .

[firstarioch]

firstarioch wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

firstarioch wrote...


Where do you see conflict between organics and synthestics brewing in ME1? or is even hinted ?

Really?  Do you want examples?

The AI on the Citadel that tries to blow you up
AI on Luna (that we discover in ME 3 was EDI)
The Morning War (Geth v. Quarians)
A huge part of Saren's army being Geth heretics
The Reapers themselves (being synthetics that want to harvest all organic life and all)

And that's just from ME 1!

It's a theme that has been present and fairly strong from the beginning...I think that the events of ME 3 and the info presented there not only strenghtens it but reveals it a little bit more.

Thought I should fix that for you.

Im sorry I disagree you can ineterpret it all you want.
Now after 3 games you went back and looked for hints .I didnt . I and many people didnt feel thats all about that.
What about that planet you are scanning and they talk about forces of light and darkness in ancient past ?

Sorry but the overall feel of the first game never had any organics v synthethics nonsese conflict written all over it.
It was about Dark Energy...!!! you forgot that it was abou that in ME1 not that idiotic organicsvs suthethics.
please read his thread:

http://social.biowar...ndex/13065026/4

Modifié par firstarioch, 19 août 2012 - 02:47 .

[CoolioThane]

First we in this thread feel the endings are actually an indoctrination attempt and thus a good ending...if IT is true.

[Leonia]

Dark energy wasn't mentioned that often in ME1, to be honest. You're fighting geth from the start on Eden Prime all the way up until the very end before taking on Sovereign. But that discussion is hardly on topic so maybe it should be diverted elsewhere.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

CoolioThane

Lol...Sorry old anger is still there ...resurfacing occasionally ...lol
But if Zesczuk is out how long before Muzyka goes ?
Really im not counting Hudson as he useless ... The man I really mourned leaving was Karpyshyn...
He is the one behind ME writing really ...

I really feel you guys are being unfair to Casey Hudson. After all he is Mass Effect. It was his dream, his vision, his baby, right from the start. You really should give the man credit for what he's already done - you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him. And Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't be hired in the first place. 

Remember - it's not all said and done untill it is all said and done. And Mass Effect universe is far from done with yet. 

Before you argue that ME3 was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story and it failed at that - Well, Mass effect 3 isn't done yet either. We live in interesting time, and the team said countless times that the DLCs give them new ways of telling a story. 

Greg Zeschuk has left BioWare or am I reading it wrongly?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Drewton wrote...

From Twitter:

Me: "Will the Leviathan DLC confirm/deny the Indoctrination theory, or continue to leave it ambiguous?"
Chris Priestly: "The endings will remain up to the individual players."

Good job!

Good news!

And: Told you so!

[firstarioch]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

CoolioThane

Lol...Sorry old anger is still there ...resurfacing occasionally ...lol
But if Zesczuk is out how long before Muzyka goes ?
Really im not counting Hudson as he useless ... The man I really mourned leaving was Karpyshyn...
He is the one behind ME writing really ...

I really feel you guys are being unfair to Casey Hudson. After all he is Mass Effect. It was his dream, his vision, his baby, right from the start. You really should give the man credit for what he's already done - you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him. And Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't be hired in the first place. 

Remember - it's not all said and done untill it is all said and done. And Mass Effect universe is far from done with yet. 

Before you argue that ME3 was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story and it failed at that - Well, Mass effect 3 isn't done yet either. We live in interesting time, and the team said countless times that the DLCs give them new ways of telling a story. 

Greg Zeschuk has left BioWare or am I reading it wrongly?

 It was confirmed by EA that he is taking sabbatical from EA and developing independently and he will come back... However its just to cushion the blow iI think....and leave it till later to annouce it...He is no longer in charge of Bioware Austin i think and is an independent....
I think this is just the begining of the end of Bioware....
I think Muzyka will be next...
I think Many people there are not happy how the series developed in ME3 ending and the handling of it....
Plus SWOR is loosing money fast....

[ZerebusPrime]

 Is it me, or did we just miss this one when it came out?

 (Total Recall: Indoctrination mashup)

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 19 août 2012 - 03:53 .

[firstarioch]

Reports are suggesting that BioWare co-founder Greg Zeschuk has left BioWare Austin, the developer behind the struggling MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic.
EA claim Zeschuk is taking some planned time off following the reorganisation of the company in May, but his LinkedIn profile suggests otherwise.
On the business networking site, Zechuk’s profile says he left the company in May, while GamersGlobal claims that neither Greg Zeschuk nor Ray Muzyka were present at a recent leadership meeting at the Mass Effect and Knights of the Old Republic studio.
An internal source claims that Zeschuk and Muzyka’s absence in such a meeting is unheard of.
It is being suggested that Major League Gaming CEO Matthew Bromberg has taken Zeschuk’s position and that BioWare Austin is to be renamed EA Austin.
Greg Zeschuk co-founded Bioware with Ray Muzyka and Augustine Yip back in 1995.
EA has refused to issue any official comment on the story.''

So it seems the once great studio of Bioware, which is now largely a laughing stock to its many core fans from years ago is losing one of the co-founders. Perhaps he could no longer stomach the rubbish EA force Bioware to make. 

Modifié par firstarioch, 19 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[Drewton]

Is this really relevant to the IT?

Modifié par Drewton, 19 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[firstarioch]

Drewton wrote...

Is this really relevant to the IT?

ok sorry no...Just was showing where is Bioware going .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Hey, what have I missed in the last week?

[DoomsdayDevice]

You might want to check out my signature.

(although to be fair, Priss Blackburne already discovered this before I did, in IT thread Mark II, but apparently most of us missed that)

It seems more relevant now, because literalists have been arguing recently that it's TIM who has found out how to indoctrinate assume direct control of people (in the scene on the Citadel). My video proves this is wrong.

It's a big piece of evidence, IMO. Yet more proof that Shep is getting audiovisual input from the real world while hallucinating.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[Lokanaiya]

Speaking of Reaper noises, has anybody investigated the infrasound in the game files more?

[desert_beagle]

Aside from all of the other assertions and evidence pointing towards the IT, one thing that I have not seen addressed is the sheer convenience of everything after Harbinger's beam. I mean think about it. The transport beam literally takes him to a place on the Citidel with a straight shot to a control panel that opens the arms. No exploration necessary, just walk in a straight line, and here you go, open the arms and allow the one thing in the galaxy that will kill the Reapers the ability to dock. Then there is the elevator that takes him up after he passes out. First he dropped his gun before going up, then he passes out and this "magic" elevator on the Citidel (designed by Reapers) takes him exactly where he needs to go to activate the Crucible(designed by life from previous cycles). Oh and this Reaper AI that just happens to take on the form of the same child that Shepard has been seeing through out the game and practically says "I'm a Reaper AI, but believe everything I have to say, and the ONLY REALLY GOOD solutions are either to Control US or to Synthesize with US." Then Shepard is holding his gun again. and you make your choice. Even with the extended cut, I have to call the BS card on this. It makes absolutely no sense for any of these stars to just align themselves after Harbinger just made sure that nobody got to the transport beam. We KNOW from Vigil and the Prothean VI that trying to control the Reapers HAS NEVER WORKED. Everyone who has tried has failed. Synthesis is what the Reapers are already doing. They harvest organic life and synthesize it into their own organic/synthetic form to make troops or more Reapers. Of course a Reaper AI is going to push you towards those two and make you believe that by doing this you have saved everyone and that by destroying them you will kill all of your synthetic friends along with them and you will just prove his point that organics will always destroy synthetics. The Catalyst even says that TIM couldn't control them, because they already controlled him. What do you think they are trying to do with Shepard? That is what the Reapers are all about, at the end of ME2 Harbinger says, "We are your salvation through destruction."