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[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's not the "inevitable result of the evolutionary progression of life". Implementation of synthetic implants are only for when it needs to replace organoc functions that have failed for some reason. It's for the betterment of those who cannot live a normal life.

Yup, that's how it starts. It will first be the sick and wounded to get these implants. But when it becomes more and more normal, and the more the technology itself progresses, it will have reached the stage where humans would freely buy synthetic limbs on the streets. People will want this so that they can better their performances. Eventually, it will become the norm for people to have some kind of synthetic enhancer inside them.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 09:15 .

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
However, forcing synthesis on organic life before they're ready is abhorrent. It'd be like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. No matter what the Catalyst says, organic life is only ready for synthesis if they came to this decision themselves.

It cannot even be their decision, the evolutionary process takes place over 100s of 1000s of years and the changes are so subtle as to go unnoticed, mainly because we have had time to adapt to those changes.
Even if the entire galaxy were unanimous to go synthesis over night, they would have skipped the adaptation process and that's why I cannot buy into instant synthesis.

That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

[FFZero]

Hrothdane wrote...

Estabanus,

You are not listening to what I was saying. I'm saying even IF the galaxy made synthesis happen on its own, I would not feel satisfied with it because I don't think there is enough evidence to conclusively say it is inevitable, and the story itself was not building to such a conclusion.

Technically you could argue that they are already going down the synthesis route. Genetic modification is very prevalent in the ME Universe and what is genetic modification essentially?  Using technology to improve our lives by eradicating or removing illnesses and physical weaknesses that can’t necessarily be cured by conventional medicine. Yes it's a huge step away from being implanted with technology that replaces certain physical functions but it is based on similar thinking.

Modifié par FFZero, 19 août 2012 - 09:17 .

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...
That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

My apologies, I misread what you were saying, agreed, it is a millenia time process, but we won't notice happening until we look at history, an example being is we can look at ourselves now and then at history and see the differences between us and our stone age ancestors.

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
However, forcing synthesis on organic life before they're ready is abhorrent. It'd be like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. No matter what the Catalyst says, organic life is only ready for synthesis if they came to this decision themselves.

It cannot even be their decision, the evolutionary process takes place over 100s of 1000s of years and the changes are so subtle as to go unnoticed, mainly because we have had time to adapt to those changes.
Even if the entire galaxy were unanimous to go synthesis over night, they would have skipped the adaptation process and that's why I cannot buy into instant synthesis.

That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

Synthesis as presented in ME3? No. Certainly not. But a certain form of it will happen. Synthetic limbs, for example. Stuff like that is scientifically possible. 

Synthesis is purely when an organic isn't totally organic anymore. It only needs to be partly synthetic to be a certain form of synthesis.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 09:18 .

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
However, forcing synthesis on organic life before they're ready is abhorrent. It'd be like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. No matter what the Catalyst says, organic life is only ready for synthesis if they came to this decision themselves.

It cannot even be their decision, the evolutionary process takes place over 100s of 1000s of years and the changes are so subtle as to go unnoticed, mainly because we have had time to adapt to those changes.
Even if the entire galaxy were unanimous to go synthesis over night, they would have skipped the adaptation process and that's why I cannot buy into instant synthesis.

That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

Synthesis as presented in ME3? No. Certainly not. But a certain form of it will happen. Synthetic limbs, for example. Stuff like that is scientifically possible.

That's not synthesis. That's not even the beginnings of synthesis. Robotic limbs is just used for replacing missing limbs. Cybernetics is not Synthesis.

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

My apologies, I misread what you were saying, agreed, it is a millenia time process, but we won't notice happening until we look at history, an example being is we can look at ourselves now and then at history and see the differences between us and our stone age ancestors.

Exactly. In about 1000 years, our descendants will look back at this age and ask, "why didn't our ancestors use implants to better themselves?"

[Hrothdane]

FFZero wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Estabanus,

You are not listening to what I was saying. I'm saying even IF the galaxy made synthesis happen on its own, I would not feel satisfied with it because I don't think there is enough evidence to conclusively say it is inevitable, and the story itself was not building to such a conclusion.

Technically you could argue that they are already going down the synthesis route. Genetic modification is very prevalent in the ME Universe and what is genetic modification essentially?  Using technology to improve our lives by eradicating or removing illnesses and physical weaknesses that can’t necessarily be cured by conventional medicine. Yes it's a huge step away from being implanted with technology that replaces certain physical functions but it is based on similar thinking, using tech to improve our lives, just far less invasive.

While it exists in the ME universe, it is in the background. The narrative never focuses on it, and when it does mention creatures that are true organic/synthetic hybrids like Saren, or Collectors or Reapers, they are presented in a negative light. Thus, the sudden thematic 180 is almost as bad with synthesis as it is with control.

[DJBare]

FreddyCast wrote...
You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

Depending on how long the human race continues then over a millenia it "might" happen that evolution combines organic and synthetic, but the real issue is not whether it happens or not, but how fast it happens.

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
However, forcing synthesis on organic life before they're ready is abhorrent. It'd be like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. No matter what the Catalyst says, organic life is only ready for synthesis if they came to this decision themselves.

It cannot even be their decision, the evolutionary process takes place over 100s of 1000s of years and the changes are so subtle as to go unnoticed, mainly because we have had time to adapt to those changes.
Even if the entire galaxy were unanimous to go synthesis over night, they would have skipped the adaptation process and that's why I cannot buy into instant synthesis.

That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

Synthesis as presented in ME3? No. Certainly not. But a certain form of it will happen. Synthetic limbs, for example. Stuff like that is scientifically possible.

That's not synthesis. That's not even the beginnings of synthesis. Robotic limbs is just used for replacing missing limbs. Cybernetics is not Synthesis.

It is. Synthesis is nothing else than a melding of two different things. By putting cybernetic enhancements in your body, be it synthetic limbs or implants to help better performance, you're not purely organic anymore. You're a melding of both synthetic and organic. You have a synthesis inside youreslf.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 09:23 .

[Simon_Says]

Hrothdane wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Estabanus,

You are not listening to what I was saying. I'm saying even IF the galaxy made synthesis happen on its own, I would not feel satisfied with it because I don't think there is enough evidence to conclusively say it is inevitable, and the story itself was not building to such a conclusion.

Technically you could argue that they are already going down the synthesis route. Genetic modification is very prevalent in the ME Universe and what is genetic modification essentially?  Using technology to improve our lives by eradicating or removing illnesses and physical weaknesses that can’t necessarily be cured by conventional medicine. Yes it's a huge step away from being implanted with technology that replaces certain physical functions but it is based on similar thinking, using tech to improve our lives, just far less invasive.

While it exists in the ME universe, it is in the background. The narrative never focuses on it, and when it does mention creatures that are true organic/synthetic hybrids like Saren, or Collectors or Reapers, they are presented in a negative light. Thus, the sudden thematic 180 is almost as bad with synthesis as it is with control.

And what about the Cerberus Cheerleader?

[masster blaster]

I would like Synthesis, only if it takes time, and I mean a long time to occurer. Yet It's going to cause a huge problem, if Synthesis happence, then everyone will be the same, and everything, will be peaceful, but it's going to cause a hugh problem. If this is the end of evelution, then there will be no purpose in life. If Synthesis can transened mortality, then no one will die, and everything will be boring.

Yes there may be wars, gangs, and what knot, but the cycle will start over again.

If there was ever an organic race that did not adapt to Synthesis, then it's going to cause a hugh problem. Organics would create Synthetics. Synthetics will try to find a why to become Synthesis race, but in the end if an Organic race can not get Synthesis, then they will create a new Reaper, that will try to find away to solve the problem.

Once it concludes that the only way to evolve the Organic race, is to harvest every Synthesis race, in order to fix the Organics DNA, to give them Synthesis.

In other words. Synthesis will be the end for everything. There will be no dying, No more evolution which is bad because if we can't adapt to a problem, then we die. Also if a Synthesis race, or group, want's to be an Organic, or Synthtic race again, then they will try to destroy/ harvest all Synthesis life, to fix there problem they are in.

[MaximizedAction]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
That's not synthesis. That's not even the beginnings of synthesis. Robotic limbs is just used for replacing missing limbs. Cybernetics is not Synthesis.

It is. Synthesis is nothing else than a melding of two different things. By putting cybernetic enhancements in your body, be it synthetic limbs or impalnts to help better performance, you're not purely organic anymore. You're a melding of both synthetic and organic. You have a synthesis inside youreslf.

Man...been playing DE:HR recently...and why does this sound so similar to augmentations...and why did Casey tweet about DE anyway...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 août 2012 - 09:26 .

[Hrothdane]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Estabanus,

You are not listening to what I was saying. I'm saying even IF the galaxy made synthesis happen on its own, I would not feel satisfied with it because I don't think there is enough evidence to conclusively say it is inevitable, and the story itself was not building to such a conclusion.

Technically you could argue that they are already going down the synthesis route. Genetic modification is very prevalent in the ME Universe and what is genetic modification essentially?  Using technology to improve our lives by eradicating or removing illnesses and physical weaknesses that can’t necessarily be cured by conventional medicine. Yes it's a huge step away from being implanted with technology that replaces certain physical functions but it is based on similar thinking, using tech to improve our lives, just far less invasive.

While it exists in the ME universe, it is in the background. The narrative never focuses on it, and when it does mention creatures that are true organic/synthetic hybrids like Saren, or Collectors or Reapers, they are presented in a negative light. Thus, the sudden thematic 180 is almost as bad with synthesis as it is with control.

And what about the Cerberus Cheerleader?

I thought she was just bio-engineered and given biotic implants? When I think full on synthesis, I think Ghost in the Shell, not genetic modification and the occasional cybernetic implant.

[Simon_Says]

I'm a sythorganic because I wear glasses and contact lenses.

I'm ahead of the frikken curve, man!

@Hroth, sorry about that. I thought you were talking about genetic modification since that's the subject of the post you quoted.
: /

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 août 2012 - 09:29 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

I would like Synthesis, only if it takes time, and I mean a long time to occurer. Yet It's going to cause a huge problem, if Synthesis happence, then everyone will be the same, and everything, will be peaceful, but it's going to cause a hugh problem. If this is the end of evelution, then there will be no purpose in life. If Synthesis can transened mortality, then no one will die, and everything will be boring.

Yes there may be wars, gangs, and what knot, but the cycle will start over again.

If there was ever an organic race that did not adapt to Synthesis, then it's going to cause a hugh problem. Organics would create Synthetics. Synthetics will try to find a why to become Synthesis race, but in the end if an Organic race can not get Synthesis, then they will create a new Reaper, that will try to find away to solve the problem.

Once it concludes that the only way to evolve the Organic race, is to harvest every Synthesis race, in order to fix the Organics DNA, to give them Synthesis.

In other words. Synthesis will be the end for everything. There will be no dying, No more evolution which is bad because if we can't adapt to a problem, then we die. Also if a Synthesis race, or group, want's to be an Organic, or Synthtic race again, then they will try to destroy/ harvest all Synthesis life, to fix there problem they are in.

Not true, masster. That's simply how Bioware depicts it. But that isn't true synthesis.

Synthesis won't make people the same, and it won't stop wars. DNA doesn't start a war, differing opinions and beliefs do. Synthesis also isn't the end for anything. Organics will still evolve, and it is an organic being itself that has to decide if it'll be a part of Synthesis, or if it will remain organic.

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
That's not synthesis. That's not even the beginnings of synthesis. Robotic limbs is just used for replacing missing limbs. Cybernetics is not Synthesis.

It is. Synthesis is nothing else than a melding of two different things. By putting cybernetic enhancements in your body, be it synthetic limbs or impalnts to help better performance, you're not purely organic anymore. You're a melding of both synthetic and organic. You have a synthesis inside youreslf.

Man...been playing DE:HR recently...and why does this sound so similar to augmentations...and why did Casey tweet about DE anyway...

Yeah, I just finished Deus Ex: HR today, and that's what got me and my brother rhinking about Synthesis. Humans will always strive to better themselves, and the eventual result of this singularity of constant self-improvement will be synthesis.

[DJBare]

Simon_Says wrote...

I'm a sythorganic because I wear glasses and contact lenses.

I'm ahead of the frikken curve, man!

I have to use a hearing aid, got you beat man, it's got batteries.

[estebanus]

Hrothdane wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Estabanus,

You are not listening to what I was saying. I'm saying even IF the galaxy made synthesis happen on its own, I would not feel satisfied with it because I don't think there is enough evidence to conclusively say it is inevitable, and the story itself was not building to such a conclusion.

Technically you could argue that they are already going down the synthesis route. Genetic modification is very prevalent in the ME Universe and what is genetic modification essentially?  Using technology to improve our lives by eradicating or removing illnesses and physical weaknesses that can’t necessarily be cured by conventional medicine. Yes it's a huge step away from being implanted with technology that replaces certain physical functions but it is based on similar thinking, using tech to improve our lives, just far less invasive.

While it exists in the ME universe, it is in the background. The narrative never focuses on it, and when it does mention creatures that are true organic/synthetic hybrids like Saren, or Collectors or Reapers, they are presented in a negative light. Thus, the sudden thematic 180 is almost as bad with synthesis as it is with control.

And what about the Cerberus Cheerleader?

I thought she was just bio-engineered and given biotic implants? When I think full on synthesis, I think Ghost in the Shell, not genetic modification and the occasional cybernetic implant.

But that is exactly what Synthesis is. A cybernetic implant means you're not fully organic anymore. you're a melding of two different things. That is what a synthesis is.

[demersel]

Hi everyone! What's new?

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...
However, forcing synthesis on organic life before they're ready is abhorrent. It'd be like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. No matter what the Catalyst says, organic life is only ready for synthesis if they came to this decision themselves.

It cannot even be their decision, the evolutionary process takes place over 100s of 1000s of years and the changes are so subtle as to go unnoticed, mainly because we have had time to adapt to those changes.
Even if the entire galaxy were unanimous to go synthesis over night, they would have skipped the adaptation process and that's why I cannot buy into instant synthesis.

That's what I'm saying! It will take centuries. Millenia, perhaps. But when organic life finally has achieved Synthesis by itself, then they're ready. Synthesis is not something that can occur from one day to the other.

They have to discover Synthesis by themselves. They can't get it from someone else, otherwise they're not ready.

You guys are not talking as if this is what will happen in real life. are you? Synthesis isn't even part of the theory of evolution. Synthesis is merely science fiction.

Synthesis as presented in ME3? No. Certainly not. But a certain form of it will happen. Synthetic limbs, for example. Stuff like that is scientifically possible.

That's not synthesis. That's not even the beginnings of synthesis. Robotic limbs is just used for replacing missing limbs. Cybernetics is not Synthesis.

It is. Synthesis is nothing else than a melding of two different things. By putting cybernetic enhancements in your body, be it synthetic limbs or implants to help better performance, you're not purely organic anymore. You're a melding of both synthetic and organic. You have a synthesis inside youreslf.

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

[Simon_Says]

DJBare wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I'm a sythorganic because I wear glasses and contact lenses.

I'm ahead of the frikken curve, man!

I have to use a hearing aid, got you beat man, it's got batteries.

Well then, I guess I'll just go get intraocular lenses. It'll be internal!

[FreddyCast]

demersel wrote...

Hi everyone! What's new?

You just entered LA LA LAND. Come back later.

[Hrothdane]

Simon_Says wrote...

I'm a sythorganic because I wear glasses and contact lenses.

I'm ahead of the frikken curve, man!

@Hroth, sorry about that. I thought you were talking about genetic modification since that's the subject of the post you quoted.
: /

Yeah, now that I look back at it, I guess I was unclear.

I wear glasses, too, and I have fillings in som of my teeth. Does that make me a synthorganic as well?

[Simon_Says]

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Except there's no actual limit to creating technology with the sophistication and component scale similiar to living tissue. And if the pace keeps up, we'll be making that kind of technology in the not too distant future. And integrating/creating people with it.

There'll be replicants in the streets I tell ya. Nanoaugs everywhere!

Man I wish a time traveller from just 100 years from now will come here and tell us how silly our dreams and predictions are.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 août 2012 - 09:35 .