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[Hrothdane]

FreddyCast wrote...

demersel wrote...

Hi everyone! What's new?

You just entered LA LA LAND. Come back later.

Seriously....

First the trolls, now people claiming synthesis is the "obvious" future of the galaxy based on loose projections and the theme-park version of evolution. I'm getting fed up with the forums today.

Whenever someone says something is "obvious," what they really mean is they don't want to try to prove it.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 19 août 2012 - 09:36 .

[FreddyCast]

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Except there's no actual limit to creating technology with the sophistication and component scale similiar to living tissue. And if the pace keeps up, we'll be making that kind of technology in the not too distant future. And integrating/creating people with it.

There'll be replicants in the streets I tell ya. Nanoaugs everywhere!

Oh My. Does anyone know when the next portal to another universe will arrive. This universe has lost its mind.

[demersel]

FreddyCast wrote...

demersel wrote...

Hi everyone! What's new?

You just entered LA LA LAND. Come back later.

LA LA LAND?? But...but....but that's where I'm from!!!!

[Simon_Says]

Hrothdane wrote...

First the trolls, now people claiming synthesis is the "obvious" future of the galaxy based on loose projections and the theme-park version of evolution.

Whenever someone says something is "obvious," what they really mean is they don't want to try to prove it.

>Implying one can prove a prediction.

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Not exactly. Maybe I should make myself more clear. It is a combination of two different things. A melidng doesn't have to go down to the genetic level, far from it, in fact. Say for example, you lose your hand, and instead, you get a synthetic hand. This is Synthesis. You're no longer fully one thing. You're now a combination of two different things, synthetic and organic.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[TSA_383]

[quote]Vibez wrote...

Guys, what do you think about this:

http://social.biowar...ndex/13744739/1[/quote]

I think the community staff haven't given us anything much so far and it'd be better to let the content speak for itself.

[quote]Rosewind wrote...

lol! I just had a brain fart.... looked at the title and was like OMG mark iii since when.... oh wait ....[/quote]
Nice work

[quote]Hrothdane wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Hrothdane Is "symbology" a word? You seem to be the right person to ask, as you have an English major right?[/quote]

Yes, it is a word. 

I'm actually still in school (had to take off a few years because of money), so I don't have the degree yet

[/quote]
Welcome to the club, I've got another year of this crap to deal with

[quote]ozzydude66 wrote...

Heres a theroy the reapers know sep saw the boy die.[/quote]
Fascinating.

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

Uh... been gone since before the Leviathan announcement

So yeah, nearly a week.

Also I was expecting a bit more excitement at my return. [/quote]
You missed this epic explain-a-thon:
[quote]TSA_383 wrote...
[quote]Rosewind wrote...

[quote]ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

Been
speaking to Chriz - We've worked out how a lot of the stuff in the
ending relates I think, even explaining the strange defibrillator noise
on the citadel and Harbinger's anger at the "refuse" option in
comparison to destroy.

But I'm not posting it all in here until the troll war calms down a bit.[/quote]
Cruelty, thy name is TSA 

I guess I'll lurk patiently for now.

[/quote]

Yay welcome to the Corner!!! Pull up a chair![/quote]

I guess I'll just post the basics of what we looked at anyway:
Chriz
posted a while back about the overlay theory, and was looking at the
possibility that you're injured during the beam run and that what you
see after the white-out with harbinger's beam actually takes place over a
much shorter amount of time - the idea that shepard is lying injured in
the rubble, but only for a few minutes, whereas the actual sequence
runs for about half an hour.

He also made reference to Harbinger as the "devil", which got me thinking about Garrus's phrase in the FOB:
http://answers.yahoo...22072508AAqUxgb 

The
origin of what Garrus is saying comes from an old irish superstition,
that the devil (in this case played capably by harbinger) being the
master of tricks and all, would attempt to trick you into giving
yourself up to him after death, in the time before your soul reaches
heaven. During that time in limbo, you're fair game, but the devil is
only able to take the soul if it gives itself over to him willingly.
Obviously, there's a pretty clear parallel between this and what we
observe in the choice sequence, in which the reapers are attempting to
bring you over to their side.

This, to me at least, would explain
why the reapers are in such a hurry to make you make your choice - they
have a very limited amount of time in which to take control, or Shepard
will die and will therefore no longer be of use to them. It strikes me
that Harbinger could have easily killed Shepard if it wanted to, but
with a corpse, the best the reapers would be able to do with Shepard is
create another husk, and that's clearly not why they've been after
him/her for the past 2 games.
This would explain Harbinger's
frustration if you neglect to make a decision - at least with the
Destroy option they can try again to take Shepard, presumably with the
refuse option you die, and what they need of you is your mind, they have
plenty of husks already.
It would also explain why Harbinger is
angry at refuse and not destroy - if you successfully resist it,
Harbinger at least has the option to find another way to take over.
Finally,
it explains why the AI just does not give a **** about you in low EMS
ending - at this point your willpower is such that you're going to die
whatever happens. It doesn't matter if they win you over or not. In low
EMS the AI doesn't really even try to rush you along. It literally
doesn't care.

So, how does this tie into the more obscure parts
of the end sequence? Simple - when you're semi-conscious or unconscious
and in a bad way, or if you're dreaming, in many cases you will still
pick up on sounds in the outside world.

It is entirely possible
that Shepard is hearing Coates' order to retreat over a nearby radio
having been injured, but what's more interesting is what happens when
you get into the beam.

That "defibrillator" noise with the sharp
"Shepard!" is the first thing you hear on arriving in the citadel. It
makes little sense, but what if whilst you're playing this sequence,
Anderson and the Hammer squad are attempting to revive Shepard. It would
certainly make a certain amount of sense given the situation.

So the jist of it is:

You're injured and dying, harbinger is attempting to trick you so that it can take control.
Control/Synthesis result in the reapers succesfully taking over and having an indoctrinated servant just as they desire.
Refuse results in your death, at which point you are of no use to the Reapers.
Destroy results in resistance, at which point you may (depending on EMS) be able to survive.

In the time you're out for, marines from hammer and possibly Anderson are attempting to revive you.
The reapers are in a rush at the end as they have a very limited amount of time left before you either die or recover...

Note
that this isn't mutually exclusive with the idea of the "catalyst"
being the reaper AI, it is entirely possible that what it tells you of
its motives is true, as it would make sense for an AI to react this way
to its task under certain situations.

Let me make the comparison again between the choice sequence and this scene in the matrix:  

The
fact that the conversation is going on in Shepard's mind doesn't
preclude the possibility that the catalyst's motivations are based on
programming requiring it to prevent war between synthetics and organics
from occuring - whilst there are obvious flaws in that programming that
should have had safeguards, it is entirely possible that the Reapers are
merely the result of a rogue AI created by the Leviathans.

So what do you think?
[/quote]

[quote]Salient Archer wrote...

Hey guys! I'm back too! It's me Archer! - What's been happening? *high fives and Aston Martins for everyone*[/quote]
A friend of mine works for Aston Martin and gets to drive new models over weekends and such when they're trying to put miles on them...
Lucky bastard

[Simon_Says]

FreddyCast wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Except there's no actual limit to creating technology with the sophistication and component scale similiar to living tissue. And if the pace keeps up, we'll be making that kind of technology in the not too distant future. And integrating/creating people with it.

There'll be replicants in the streets I tell ya. Nanoaugs everywhere!

Oh My. Does anyone know when the next portal to another universe will arrive. This universe has lost its mind.

THE RAPTURE OF THE NERDS IS COMING. AUGMENT, AND TRANSCEND YOUR SOULS TO GLORY!

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 août 2012 - 09:40 .

[estebanus]

Hrothdane wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

demersel wrote...

Hi everyone! What's new?

You just entered LA LA LAND. Come back later.

Seriously....

First the trolls, now people claiming synthesis is the "obvious" future of the galaxy based on loose projections and the theme-park version of evolution. I'm getting fed up with the forums today.

Whenever someone says something is "obvious," what they really mean is they don't want to try to prove it.

How can I prove something if it hasn't occured yet? I only have my own thoughts on it. I only think that it will be the eventual future for humanity. Doesn't mean it will, of course.

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Not exactly. Maybe I should make myself more clear. It is a melding. A melidng doesn't have to go down to the genetic level, far from it, in fact. Say for example, you lose your hand, and instead, you get a synthetic hand. This is Synthesis. You're no longer fully one thing. You're now a combination of two different things, synthetic and organic.

No you're not. Your one thing, organic, everything else is extra appendages that are of use. You just proved my point.

[demersel]

I hate to bring it to you people, but obvious future of the galaxy is empty vastness of nothingness. The stars will die, turning to supernovas, and supermassive black holes will eventually consume all.

Modifié par demersel, 19 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Not exactly. Maybe I should make myself more clear. It is a melding. A melidng doesn't have to go down to the genetic level, far from it, in fact. Say for example, you lose your hand, and instead, you get a synthetic hand. This is Synthesis. You're no longer fully one thing. You're now a combination of two different things, synthetic and organic.

No you're not. Your one thing, organic, everything else is extra appendages that are of use. You just proved my point.

Not true. You're not only one thing after getting this extra hand. It is now a part of you. it replaces what is lost. Therefore, it isn't an addition, it's a replacement.

[Hrothdane]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

First the trolls, now people claiming synthesis is the "obvious" future of the galaxy based on loose projections and the theme-park version of evolution.

Whenever someone says something is "obvious," what they really mean is they don't want to try to prove it.

>Implying one can prove a prediction.

True, proof is a bad word choice there. People claiming something is obvious or objective truth without sufficient evidence pisses me off. Also, like I said, the trolls have put me in a bad mood : /

I need to go do something else for awhile.

[estebanus]

Hrothdane wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

First the trolls, now people claiming synthesis is the "obvious" future of the galaxy based on loose projections and the theme-park version of evolution.

Whenever someone says something is "obvious," what they really mean is they don't want to try to prove it.

>Implying one can prove a prediction.

True, proof is a bad word choice there. People claiming something is obvious or objective truth without sufficient evidence pisses me off. Also, like I said, the trolls have put me in a bad mood : /

I need to go do something else for awhile.

I don't have any evidence. I only have my own thoughts on it.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

I hate to bring it to you people, but obvious future of the galaxy is empty vastness of nothingness. The srars will die, turning to supernovas, and supermassive black holes will eventually consume all.

That is likely, but what about the time scales? The dinosaurs were ~60m years ago. Andromeda and the Milkyway will collide in ~4-5 b years. What you discribe will take even longer.

Evolution obviously takes less time, especially if humans try to accelerate it. So such cosmic evolutions will likely take wayyyy longer than humanity is even going to live as we know it; especially in the ME universe.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

I hate to bring it to you people, but obvious future of the galaxy is empty vastness of nothingness. The stars will die, turning to supernovas, and supermassive black holes will eventually consume all.

Oh, and the Milky Way will collide with another galaxy.

[Simon_Says]

Bionconservatives are a blight on transhuman purity!

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...

I hate to bring it to you people, but obvious future of the galaxy is empty vastness of nothingness. The srars will die, turning to supernovas, and supermassive black holes will eventually consume all.

That is likely, but what about the time scales? The dinosaurs were ~60m years ago. Andromeda and the Milkyway will collide in ~4-5 b years. What you discribe will take even longer.

Evolution obviously takes less time, especially if humans try to accelerate it. So such galactic evolutions will likely take wayyyy longer than humanity is even going to live as we know it; especially in the ME universe.

Exactly. Organic evolution is microscopic in the greater picture of galactic evolution. Earth will already be void of life long before any of that happens.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Not exactly. Maybe I should make myself more clear. It is a melding. A melidng doesn't have to go down to the genetic level, far from it, in fact. Say for example, you lose your hand, and instead, you get a synthetic hand. This is Synthesis. You're no longer fully one thing. You're now a combination of two different things, synthetic and organic.

No you're not. Your one thing, organic, everything else is extra appendages that are of use. You just proved my point.

Not true. You're not only one thing after getting this extra hand. It is now a part of you. it replaces what is lost. Therefore, it isn't an addition, it's a replacement.

Whether an addition or a replacement, it is not part of who you essentially are. Whether you are holding a hammer in your hand or it's stitched to your hand, or you cut of your hand and make the hammer your hand, you still are essentially organic. There is no escaping who you are, there is no escaping nature.

[spotlessvoid]

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 19 août 2012 - 09:54 .

[demersel]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...

I hate to bring it to you people, but obvious future of the galaxy is empty vastness of nothingness. The srars will die, turning to supernovas, and supermassive black holes will eventually consume all.

That is likely, but what about the time scales? The dinosaurs were ~60m years ago. Andromeda and the Milkyway will collide in ~4-5 b years. What you discribe will take even longer.

Evolution obviously takes less time, especially if humans try to accelerate it. So such galactic evolutions will likely take wayyyy longer than humanity is even going to live as we know it; especially in the ME universe.

So? You don't know the timescale for evolution. However you do know that the universe will one day sieze to exist. That is certain. And really it can happen at any second - there can be a second big bang, or some black hole will expand for no reason and consume all universe.  And besides, life will go out much earlier than the whole universe. Life is really very insignificant in scale, and extremly fragile. It has a tendence to die off of natral reasons at any moment. )) Besides syntesis in a sensy ME3 talk about it is really bull^32t evet by ME3 own lore standarts. 

[desert_beagle]

I know what will happen. First they will release Leviathan. We'll see how that plays out. There might be one or two more extra mission DLC quests that get released like ME2's Firewalker and Operation Overlord missions.  

Then we will get the Mass Effect 3 Final Extended Extended Cut. If you pick the Destroy option, the only good option IMHO, then we will see Shepard wake up, stand up in the rubble with his/her back towards the camera. Then Shepard will turn around to face the player and his/her face will have turned into...THE TROLL FACE.

Modifié par desert_beagle, 19 août 2012 - 09:53 .

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

But that's the thing, it's not a melding of two things. It's a combining of two things. Like when a hand is combined with a hammer, so half a leg is combined with a robotic lower leg. If it was a melding, then both organic and robotic parts would be joined on a genetic level. No such thing is possible.

Not exactly. Maybe I should make myself more clear. It is a melding. A melidng doesn't have to go down to the genetic level, far from it, in fact. Say for example, you lose your hand, and instead, you get a synthetic hand. This is Synthesis. You're no longer fully one thing. You're now a combination of two different things, synthetic and organic.

No you're not. Your one thing, organic, everything else is extra appendages that are of use. You just proved my point.

Not true. You're not only one thing after getting this extra hand. It is now a part of you. it replaces what is lost. Therefore, it isn't an addition, it's a replacement.

Whether an addition or a replacement, it is not part of who you essentially are. Whether you are holding a hammer in your hand or it's stitched to your hand, or you cut of your hand and make the hammer your hand, you still are essentially organic. There is no escaping who you are, there is no escaping nature.

Isn't there? I'm not so sure. I guess it depends on what individuals define organic and synthetic to be like.

This is actually an incredibly great discussion topic for moral philosophy. Are you truly fully organic if you have synthetic materials implanted in to you? I guess that hinges on your own personal interpretation of what organic is.

[anmiro]

While I do think IT is a cool interpretaion of the ending, I dont think its the ending Bioware intended.

[spotlessvoid]

Anmiro

Please elaborate on why.

[FreddyCast]

MY GOODNESS, WE DESCENDED INTO THE REAPERS' WORLD. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL OF HUMANITY. WAKE UP EVERYONE, WAKE UP. YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED. THEY"RE CONTROLLING YOU.
"I'm Admiral Anderson and they're controlling YOU."

Modifié par FreddyCast, 19 août 2012 - 09:56 .