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[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

Hmmmm... I guess that depends on what a person defines as synthesis. Organic life can't become fully synthetic, because They wouldn't be able to live without some form of organic material staying with them, be it the brain, heart, or other essential things, organics can still not become fully synthetic.

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

MY GOODNESS, WE DESCENDED INTO THE REAPERS' WORLD. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL OF HUMANITY. WAKE UP EVERYONE, WAKE UP. YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED. THEY"RE CONTROLLING YOU.
"I'm Admiral Anderson and they're controlling YOU."

Uhm... what?

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 

As you no doubt aware of, this is an Indocrination Theory Discussion forum. I'm afraid i have to ask to stay on topic and refrain from discassing syntesis here - there is a dedicated thread, and in light of the IT there is no such thing. 

Modifié par demersel, 19 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Spotlessvoid, as you no doubt aware of, this is an Indocrination Theory Discussion forum. I'm afraid i have to ask to stay on topic and refrain from discassing syntesis here - there is a dedicated thread, and in light of the IT there is no such thing. 

Are you sure? Hasn't Synthesis already occured in some form regardless of IT? Isn't Shepard a form of Synthesis?

[masster blaster]

Estebanus that's the problem. Synthesis causes the balance to go into chaos. Synthetics are ment to stay as Synthetics, and Organics are ment to stay has Organics. If either one were to go away, then the balance of evelotuion, will be done.

Sythesis is the worst, since if you have every races in the galaxy, that is has the same DNA, and can never age, then it's going to cause a problem.

If there are Organics that haven't evolved into Synthesis, then the Synthesis races may either force it on them, or let them stay the as they are. However if Synthesis happence, then this may lead to the New Reapers.

Think about this, if there was ever a Synthesis race, that want's to know why can't there ever be peace, since they reached Synthesis the final evolution, why is there still wars.

They will create a Synthetic, or Organic race to study/ take notic on why wars start. If the Synthetics, or Organics one come up with one solution to the problem, you know what it's going to be.

Evoltuion. If all races have the same adapt tations, then each one can not live together as one. The balance of power has shifted the wrong way, and the reason is because of evloution. Evoltion can not stop, but it has, the only way to stop this from happening, is to restart everything, to find a way to stop Synthesis, for disrupting the laws of nature/ Evoultion.

It's up to Bioware, but it makes no sence to have already Synthesis happen, in Destroy. The child said the cycle will start over, and we have to go through this all over again, and Control, Shepard may not like were this Synthesis up rising, because the Organics, and Synthetic races my have to fight the Synthesis races from reaching the Synthesis once and for all.

Also I hate Synthesis because that's what the Reapers want, so in the end, they were right, even though their methods were f***** stupid, they were right.

That means all the fighting to stop the Reapers, was pointless because even tough we stoped them, in the end they get what they wanted, and we have to let this happen naturly, even though the Catalyst could have thought of this, but it didn't.

Bioware is better off not doind Synthesis, because a lot of fans hate Synthesis, and the general fans like Destroy. Destroy opens up the history repeting thing, but there could be more to the future of Destroy, then we think.

Control I can see that Shepard has a galactic problem that he/she and the Areapers must deal with in order to main tain the peace.

This is were I think Drak matter, will play into, if they go with Synthesis, Control, and Destroy.

Dark Matter will cause the Synthesis races to either de evolve, or turn them into a ahorrific race, that the Organics and Synthetics must top, before they become Synthesis races.

Destroy Will have the Organics, creating new Synthetics, and depending on Shepard's chocies, they will cause the future off ME, to either learn from their mistakes, or start everything all over again.

Control like I said something is happening out side of the galaxy, and has to leave to take care of the problem. While Shepard is awaythe fromer Catalyst sees the Organics and Synthetics startin another war, and starts to start the cycle all over again. The Catalyst orders Harbinger to kill Shepard, but fails, but then Leviathan assainates Shepard because Leviathan's shackells are broken, and is now in the hands of the Catalyst again.

[FreddyCast]

anmiro wrote...

While I do think IT is a cool interpretaion of the ending, I dont think its the ending Bioware intended.

Please keep in mind that the merits of the IT is a separate issue from whether Boware intended the IT or not.

[spotlessvoid]

Estebanus

I think, to me, the line of demarcation is whether or not ones cognitive function remains organic. Humanity is distinguished by it's cognitive abilities and emotional capacity. Our minds are what, above all else, make us who we are.

[demersel]

Also, Any one remember the interview with Lence Henricsen about him doing lines for the EC?

There was something very curious there -

THe way he phrased it - the way it was in ME3 proper, when player LOSES the game in the end, it ends rather abruptly, with just the words "the end". - so naturally players got confused and concerned, and so that is why they are making the EC

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Estebanus that's the problem. Synthesis causes the balance to go into chaos. Synthetics are ment to stay as Synthetics, and Organics are ment to stay has Organics. If either one were to go away, then the balance of evelotuion, will be done.

Sythesis is the worst, since if you have every races in the galaxy, that is has the same DNA, and can never age, then it's going to cause a problem.

If there are Organics that haven't evolved into Synthesis, then the Synthesis races may either force it on them, or let them stay the as they are. However if Synthesis happence, then this may lead to the New Reapers.

Think about this, if there was ever a Synthesis race, that want's to know why can't there ever be peace, since they reached Synthesis the final evolution, why is there still wars.

They will create a Synthetic, or Organic race to study/ take notic on why wars start. If the Synthetics, or Organics one come up with one solution to the problem, you know what it's going to be.

Evoltuion. If all races have the same adapt tations, then each one can not live together as one. The balance of power has shifted the wrong way, and the reason is because of evloution. Evoltion can not stop, but it has, the only way to stop this from happening, is to restart everything, to find a way to stop Synthesis, for disrupting the laws of nature/ Evoultion.

It's up to Bioware, but it makes no sence to have already Synthesis happen, in Destroy. The child said the cycle will start over, and we have to go through this all over again, and Control, Shepard may not like were this Synthesis up rising, because the Organics, and Synthetic races my have to fight the Synthesis races from reaching the Synthesis once and for all.

Also I hate Synthesis because that's what the Reapers want, so in the end, they were right, even though their methods were f***** stupid, they were right.

That means all the fighting to stop the Reapers, was pointless because even tough we stoped them, in the end they get what they wanted, and we have to let this happen naturly, even though the Catalyst could have thought of this, but it didn't.

Bioware is better off not doind Synthesis, because a lot of fans hate Synthesis, and the general fans like Destroy. Destroy opens up the history repeting thing, but there could be more to the future of Destroy, then we think.

Control I can see that Shepard has a galactic problem that he/she and the Areapers must deal with in order to main tain the peace.

This is were I think Drak matter, will play into, if they go with Synthesis, Control, and Destroy.

Dark Matter will cause the Synthesis races to either de evolve, or turn them into a ahorrific race, that the Organics and Synthetics must top, before they become Synthesis races.

Destroy Will have the Organics, creating new Synthetics, and depending on Shepard's chocies, they will cause the future off ME, to either learn from their mistakes, or start everything all over again.

Control like I said something is happening out side of the galaxy, and has to leave to take care of the problem. While Shepard is awaythe fromer Catalyst sees the Organics and Synthetics startin another war, and starts to start the cycle all over again. The Catalyst orders Harbinger to kill Shepard, but fails, but then Leviathan assainates Shepard because Leviathan's shackells are broken, and is now in the hands of the Catalyst again.

You know what the funniest part of it is, Masster? I think we were discussing synthesis IRL, not in ME.

Mass Effect's representation of Synthesis is absolutely retarded. Nothing else. It creates an utopia, the worst thing you could create in a sci-fi. Synthesis is nothing like that what you saw In Mass Effect 3. That's just space magic, nothing else.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Estebanus

I think, to me, the line of demarcation is whether or not ones cognitive function remains organic. Humanity is distinguished by it's cognitive abilities and emotional capacity. Our minds are what, above all else, make us who we are.

Exactly. As long as we have feelings, emotions, and possibilities of error, we are still organic.

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Spotlessvoid, as you no doubt aware of, this is an Indocrination Theory Discussion forum. I'm afraid i have to ask to stay on topic and refrain from discassing syntesis here - there is a dedicated thread, and in light of the IT there is no such thing. 

Are you sure? Hasn't Synthesis already occured in some form regardless of IT? Isn't Shepard a form of Synthesis?

No, he's not. He's held together by those synthetic parts, but he is not essentially half of synth/org.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Estebanus

I think, to me, the line of demarcation is whether or not ones cognitive function remains organic. Humanity is distinguished by it's cognitive abilities and emotional capacity. Our minds are what, above all else, make us who we are.

Wrong. Humanity is distinguished by it's ability to control fire, it's need for fine Arts, and it's exsessive violent nature. 

You should trust me on this, since i majored in anthropology, archeology, phylosophy and history. 

[spotlessvoid]

Uh no demersel


My argument is that synthesis may be a trick to turn organics into straight up synthetics. I fail to see how pointing out the possible pitfalls/lies regarding the end choices doesn't relate to IT.

And I'm certainly not putting my trust in your self proclaimed expertise

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 19 août 2012 - 10:06 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Hi Estebanus!  What's happening here?

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Spotlessvoid, as you no doubt aware of, this is an Indocrination Theory Discussion forum. I'm afraid i have to ask to stay on topic and refrain from discassing syntesis here - there is a dedicated thread, and in light of the IT there is no such thing. 

Are you sure? Hasn't Synthesis already occured in some form regardless of IT? Isn't Shepard a form of Synthesis?

No, he's not. He's held together by those synthetic parts, but he is not essentially half of synth/org.

Here's a description of what a synthesis is, taken from Wikipedia:

"In general, the noun synthesis (from the ancient Greek σύνθεσις,
σύν "with" and θέσις "placing") refers to a combination of two or more
entities that together form something new; alternately, it refers to the
creating of something by artificial means. The corresponding verb, to synthesize (or synthesise), means to make or form a synthesis."

Shepard is a combination of synthetic and organic. Therefore, s/he is a form of synthesis.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 10:07 .

[Simon_Says]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Damn it I'll keep linking as long as people bringing up the subject.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 août 2012 - 10:09 .

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

MY GOODNESS, WE DESCENDED INTO THE REAPERS' WORLD. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL OF HUMANITY. WAKE UP EVERYONE, WAKE UP. YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED. THEY"RE CONTROLLING YOU.
"I'm Admiral Anderson and they're controlling YOU."

Uhm... what?

You know exactly what i mean.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...
So? You don't know the timescale for evolution. However you do know that the universe will one day sieze to exist. That is certain. And really it can happen at any second - there can be a second big bang, or some black hole will expand for no reason and consume all universe.  And besides, life will go out much earlier than the whole universe. Life is really very insignificant in scale, and extremly fragile. It has a tendence to die off of natral reasons at any moment. )) Besides syntesis in a sensy ME3 talk about it is really bull^32t evet by ME3 own lore standarts. 

Dafuq did I just read.

But yeah, I don't want to bring too much real life science into the discussion about ME science. That leads to nowhere.

And the only problem is indeed, that even without a proper codex entry (that Mike said is "not in the plans") Synthesis remains up for discussion. However, Jessica's take on it, as FFZero reported, seems like it is 'as good as' part of the lore.

But that makes (and has made me thing for some time), did any dev (like Mike) ever say something similar to what Chris and Jessica keep saying with regards to the endings (that they are 100% final)?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 août 2012 - 10:07 .

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Also, Any one remember the interview with Lence Henricsen about him doing lines for the EC?

There was something very curious there -

THe way he phrased it - the way it was in ME3 proper, when player LOSES the game in the end, it ends rather abruptly, with just the words "the end". - so naturally players got confused and concerned, and so that is why they are making the EC

Wait what?

[spotlessvoid]

Simon that link didn't work

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hi Estebanus!  What's happening here?

Well, I've been saying that Synthesis as an ending choice is disgusting and wrong, but if it were to be achieved naturally, then it is indeed something great.

Just read the last few pages to get the gist of what I mean.

[FreddyCast]

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What advantages do organics have over synthetics? The brain is the only thing I could even think of. Even then, I doubt an advanced enough synthetic brain couldn't far out pace what an organic brain is capable of. I don't see how synthesis is a merger of organics and synthetics. Why wouldn't we upgrade to fully synthetic, given all the advantages?

To me, choosing synthesis results in not half organic half synthetic, but rather full synthetic. As such, it leads only to the ultimate annihilation of organic life.

It's certainly curious that the definition of synthesis is the combining of different elements, yet synthetic means artificial or non organic.

Spotlessvoid, as you no doubt aware of, this is an Indocrination Theory Discussion forum. I'm afraid i have to ask to stay on topic and refrain from discassing syntesis here - there is a dedicated thread, and in light of the IT there is no such thing. 

Are you sure? Hasn't Synthesis already occured in some form regardless of IT? Isn't Shepard a form of Synthesis?

No, he's not. He's held together by those synthetic parts, but he is not essentially half of synth/org.

Here's a description of what a synthesis is, taken from Wikipedia:

"In general, the noun synthesis (from the ancient Greek σύνθεσις,
σύν "with" and θέσις "placing") refers to a combination of two or more
entities that together form something new; alternately, it refers to the
creating of something by artificial means. The corresponding verb, to synthesize (or synthesise), means to make or form a synthesis."

Shepard is a combination of synthetic and organic. Therefore, s/he is a form of synthesis.

Please Harbinger, stop it. Replacing a hand with a hammer does not make the person something "new". Nor are we created by artificial means.

[spotlessvoid]

Btw demersel, humanity's cognitive ability is what gives us the capacity to do a neat trick called time binding, in short the ability to place events in sequential order, giving us the ability to understand causality. That's how we can master fire.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...



Uh no demersel


My argument is that synthesis may be a trick to turn organics into straight up synthetics. I fail to see how pointing out the possible pitfalls/lies regarding the end choices doesn't relate to IT.

And I'm certainly not putting my trust in your self proclaimed expertise

It's a shame, cause you really should. It is not self-proclamed. I've got two high education, and know six languages. (used to anyway, now i mostly use two, and started to slowly forget the rest)

Also for some reason i feel a lot of hostility from you constantly, for which there is really no couse.  

Modifié par demersel, 19 août 2012 - 10:13 .

[estebanus]

FreddyCast wrote...


Please Harbinger, stop it. Replacing a hand with a hammer does not make the person something "new". Nor are we created by artificial means.

It doesn't? How often do you see people running around with hammers instead of hands? Isn't this something new?

Modifié par estebanus, 19 août 2012 - 10:12 .