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TJBartlemus wrote...

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How does having a hammer as hand make the person less human/organic, and thus, something "new"? Please stop it with the LA LA LAND kind of thinking. I can only take so much.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. The hammer is made out of wood and iron, which are both organic materials.

A hammer isn't a real replacemnet for a hand. You can't compare anything like a hammer to something as sophisticated and innovative as a fully controllable synthetic hand. It is more or less a part of you. You are no longer fully organic.

Uh, no they aren't both organic materials. An organic material has to have been living cells at one point of time and able to decay. Such as plants and animals. Iron isn't an organic material.  :blush:

I guess you're right. It was a failure on my part.

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Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

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I want to see what a synthesized giraffe looks like.

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Really? No thoughts on Henriksen interview and the reason Bioware gave him why there is a need for the EC??

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FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

How does having a hammer as hand make the person less human/organic, and thus, something "new"? Please stop it with the LA LA LAND kind of thinking. I can only take so much.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. The hammer is made out of wood and iron, which are both organic materials.

A hammer isn't a real replacemnet for a hand. You can't compare anything like a hammer to something as sophisticated and innovative as a fully controllable synthetic hand. It is more or less a part of you. You are no longer fully organic.


Who cares if its a hammer or a metal/plastic version of a hand controllable through muscle twitching, whatever material it is, it came from the ground and is not organic. Our organic parts may have the building blocks of ground/water material, but wood, iron, metal, plastic, etc. is not organic. You may no longer have the full package of a human body, but it makes you no less human than another. You still are essentially organic.

That remains entirely up to personal opinion. I would say that if part of you is synthetic, then you're no longer fully organic, you say this is not so.

Let's just leave it at that, shall we? We won't convince eachother anyway.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

How does having a hammer as hand make the person less human/organic, and thus, something "new"? Please stop it with the LA LA LAND kind of thinking. I can only take so much.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. The hammer is made out of wood and iron, which are both organic materials.

A hammer isn't a real replacemnet for a hand. You can't compare anything like a hammer to something as sophisticated and innovative as a fully controllable synthetic hand. It is more or less a part of you. You are no longer fully organic.


What I term "organic" is simply what an entity becomes through natural evolution only. If something develops a hammerhand on its own, it is organic. If it is added, it is...synthetic? Pretty simple mindset.


Is a transplanted heart synthetic? No. Here's the definition:

Organic matter (or organic material, Natural Organic Matter, or NOM) is matter that has come from a once-living organism; is capable of decay, or the product of decay; or is composed of organic compounds. 

It is only synthetic if it doesn't naturally occur. 

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plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

even then I wouldn't want it

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Drewton wrote...

I want to see what a synthesized giraffe looks like.


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Really? No thoughts on Henriksen interview and the reason Bioware gave him why there is a need for the EC??

What he meant was, everybody lost with those endings.

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Yeah cause Only humans mastered fire in ME and only humans are violent. Lol. I'm done with this

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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

As this is kind of related, what is your opinion of the Nanosuit from crysis. It is symbiotic. Do you think it is synthesis? (I realize you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Posted Image)
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plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

even then I wouldn't want it

I would, because it's nothing else but technological progression. People are naturally allowed to choose themselves if they'd want this, it shouldn't be forced.

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estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

How does having a hammer as hand make the person less human/organic, and thus, something "new"? Please stop it with the LA LA LAND kind of thinking. I can only take so much.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. The hammer is made out of wood and iron, which are both organic materials.

A hammer isn't a real replacemnet for a hand. You can't compare anything like a hammer to something as sophisticated and innovative as a fully controllable synthetic hand. It is more or less a part of you. You are no longer fully organic.


Who cares if its a hammer or a metal/plastic version of a hand controllable through muscle twitching, whatever material it is, it came from the ground and is not organic. Our organic parts may have the building blocks of ground/water material, but wood, iron, metal, plastic, etc. is not organic. You may no longer have the full package of a human body, but it makes you no less human than another. You still are essentially organic.

That remains entirely up to personal opinion. I would say that if part of you is synthetic, then you're no longer fully organic, you say this is not so.

Let's just leave it at that, shall we? We won't convince eachother anyway.

Agree to disagree. I have to get back to making my creepy Posted Image IT vid for youtube anyways. It's nice debating with you. Stay tuned folks.
Your fellow IT bro, I'm out. Seeya.Posted Image

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estebanus wrote...

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demersel wrote...

Really? No thoughts on Henriksen interview and the reason Bioware gave him why there is a need for the EC??

I'm not sure. It is weird though. Posted Image

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I want to see what a synthesized giraffe looks like.


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Yeah cause Only humans mastered fire in ME and only humans are violent. Lol. I'm done with this


Not only humans mastered fire but is the core of every our techology. For turians, asari, salarians, and quarians there are other things that drove their science before they discoverd mass relays (after  that everybody go the same way)

Not only humans are violent, but humans are EXCESSIVLY Violent. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

As this is kind of related, what is your opinion of the Nanosuit from crysis. It is symbiotic. Do you think it is synthesis? (I realize you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Posted Image)

I know about the nanosuit. My Crytek friend talks about it constantly.

It is a kind of synthesis, as a matter of fact. When Alcatraz or prophet is hurt, the suit heals the wound by going in to it, right? Therefore, Alcatraz/prophet are in some way merged together with the suit. They are a form of synthesis, IMO.

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You know all this talk about Synthesis, is making me think of Braiack, and Ultron. They have similar goals to the Catalyst, well except harvestin the organics, and synthetics genetic material. My point is that Brainiack gathers all the planets knwology, and then Destroys the planet, and the race on there. It will keep doing this, until it's programming is complete.

Ultron wanted to Destroy mankind, but make the world of Organics his own, and create more of him, to solve the problem.

Ultion was to help the Organics, but it came up with only one soultion, to Destroy mankind. Mankin is the problem to everything, and so is knowlogy. With out the speration between Organic and Synthetic, there can be peace, but everything has a price.

I like to go back to the third Materix movie, and here agent smith tell Nio

Everythin that has a begnning has an End.

Synthesis doesn't, and that has to end. Everthing that happend had to have a beginning has to have an end. Synthesis may be the end of Evolution, but what does that make us.

If we can live forever, then what is the point of living, if know everythin already.

In ME, if Bioware goes eith this, they can either.

1 Devolve Synthesis races, back to them self, and cause a hugh war.

Or

2. Have a huge war, about the Synthesis races, about the past, and that's it.

But with Control, and Destroy there are more possiblilitys for Bioware.

Even without IT, they can go with Control and Destroy, but Synthesis has no purpose anymore to ME.

That is why I find it hard that Bioware will pick Synthesis as there new trilogy, to ME.

But then if they don't have Shepard's choice, then what's the point.

Shepard's chocies we to change the galaxy, but if they don't include them, then there will be no point.

You can argue, that it worked for SWKOTOR, but for ME, they let us import our saves/ chocies and we got to see our chocies play out.

That's Biowares problem, when they say Shepard's chocie, will change the galaxy forever, it's a slap in the face if they don't import Shepard's chocies he/she has made.

But I will say this, I don't think Synthesis is Biowares best ending, because Destroy breath scene, is still high than Synthesis. In why case, if Bioware's favorit ending was synthesis, why not have the Breath scene, in low/mid Destroy endings, then.

That's just it. Why is Destroy ending high than Synthesis.

I mean the breath scene is high than Synthesis it's self. And Bioware lowered it, because they wanted to let the fans that don't have the EMS, to get it.

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demersel wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I want to see what a synthesized giraffe looks like.


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Isn't that a synthetic giraffe?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Synthesis seems like it was just designed to create arguments. It's just not natural, should have never been in the game.

As an ending choice certainly not. It's wrong on so many levels. It truly only is good if organic life itself achieves synthesis naturally.

As this is kind of related, what is your opinion of the Nanosuit from crysis. It is symbiotic. Do you think it is synthesis? (I realize you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Posted Image)
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it is synthesis of sorts. (since you can't really survive taking it off)

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For future reference for people on the thread I recommend that you look up the definition if not sure.

Synthesis is a process that occurs unnaturally. Evolution is a process that occurs naturally over lots of time. Synthesis is a cheat to evolution. In essence it is an abomination to nature cause it challenges the very basis of organic development. To choose an advancement to cheat nature and is an abomination is foolish. It also is certainly not inevitable cause it will never happen naturally and since organic choice is impossible to predict you cannot make a claim like that.

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estebanus wrote...
Isn't that a synthetic giraffe?


Fine! 
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TJBartlemus wrote...

For future reference for people on the thread I recommend that you look up the definition if not sure.

Synthesis is a process that occurs unnaturally. Evolution is a process that occurs naturally over lots of time. Synthesis is a cheat to evolution. In essence it is an abomination to nature cause it challenges the very basis of organic development. To choose an advancement to cheat nature and is an abomination is foolish. It is certainly not inevitable cause it will never happen naturally and since organic choice is impossible to predict you cannot make a claim like that.

How could there be so much truth and so much win in just one post?