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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Popping in to say that TIM's hologram orb thingy is currently pulsing with RGB waves on my television. I'm talking to him on Thessia right now. Here's the interesting part that made me want to hop on here really quick to tell you all about it....

Every few seconds, while I've got him locked in place with the conversation wheel, his body flashes blue and green. Like when a streaming video goes all pixelated. It is consistent, and it is definitely on purpose.

No red. Just blue and green. Hmm.

EDIT: Also, is it good luck to be top 'o the page?

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Gallifreya wrote...

Popping in to say that TIM's hologram orb thingy is currently pulsing with RGB waves on my television. I'm talking to him on Thessia right now. Here's the interesting part that made me want to hop on here really quick to tell you all about it....

Every few seconds, while I've got him locked in place with the conversation wheel, his body flashes blue and green. Like when a streaming video goes all pixelated. It is consistent, and it is definitely on purpose.

No red. Just blue and green. Hmm.

EDIT: Also, is it good luck to be top 'o the page?


Sure it's not the lighting? If I remember correctly Thessia's encounter with TIM is in the dark temple area, right? No blazing sunset interfering? Great find though thats pretty cool!

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

Popping in to say that TIM's hologram orb thingy is currently pulsing with RGB waves on my television. I'm talking to him on Thessia right now. Here's the interesting part that made me want to hop on here really quick to tell you all about it....

Every few seconds, while I've got him locked in place with the conversation wheel, his body flashes blue and green. Like when a streaming video goes all pixelated. It is consistent, and it is definitely on purpose.

No red. Just blue and green. Hmm.

EDIT: Also, is it good luck to be top 'o the page?


Sure it's not the lighting? If I remember correctly Thessia's encounter with TIM is in the dark temple area, right? No blazing sunset interfering? Great find though thats pretty cool!


No. It is just him. Just the hologram. I wish I could capture video of it, but that just isn't in my skillset to do.

I'm going to try to find a good youtube video of it and a pause time. Because it put a huge smile on my face.

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There you go. I would recommend going to 3.52, and pressing pause and play very quickly. The actual shot is at 3.54. There is only the one shot of it in this video, so look carefully.

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Kulbelbolka wrote...

 ATTENTION, PLEASE!

Look at this picture. Take a look on his face and his head. It's not the same boy from the intro. Catalyst has another haircut and this creepy eyes... It's adult eyes, for not kid's.

In my opinion, the whole Citadel episode is some kind of virtual reality made of fragments that Shepard saw through entire trilogy: you can see engine from Shadow Broker's ship


It's good to know that my non-LotSB Shepard is completely sane by remembering things she has never experienced" along with a male version of herself which should only exist in a parallel universe!

Modifié par SubAstris, 20 août 2012 - 07:07 .


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I've seen a few RGB moments in the game as well. If you get up close with a Banshee and while she does her AOE biotic attack the colors are green and blue. No red can be found.

Modifié par magnetite, 20 août 2012 - 07:31 .


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What can be considered canon and what non-canon in terms of DLC missions? Arrival has been confirmed as cannon for Shepard. Any playthrough where a player has NOT done Arrival is considered non-canon. Can we say the same about the other DLC's?

Edit: Fixed typo

Modifié par Dam0299, 20 août 2012 - 07:49 .


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Overlord had a few hints on Synthesis (The M One console). Another one was when the VI had control of the mech, it was shooting at you, but when it lost control of the mech, it ran off in fear. Also, every synthetic in that DLC had green eyes, much like in the Synthesis ending.

Modifié par magnetite, 20 août 2012 - 07:39 .


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There's really no such thing as "adult" eyes--your eyes only grow about 7mm from infancy to adulthood (well to around age 16 or so, I believe). You essentially have "adult" eyes when you're born which is why kids eyes look so large in their baby faces. I guess they could have made the catalyst's eyes smaller for some reason but I suspect it's just a visual "trick" from making the character translucent and glowy.

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Dam0299 wrote...

What can be considered cannon and what non-cannon in terms of DLC missions? Arrival has been confirmed as cannon for Shepard. Any playthrough where a player has NOT done Arrival is considered non-cannon. Can we say the same about the other DLC's?


Yeah I would say so. I don't see bioware bothering with non-canon DLC.

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I think the eyes in the picture of the SC are slightly exaggerated seeing as how its hard to get that clear of view of his face. It may just be we havent seen it like that before.

For the green and blue flashes during TIM conversation, honestly its hard to tell. Its late over here so I may just be at a point where I'm too fatigued to actually discern what I'm looking at but I am having trouble seeing what your seeing :/

And I thought a canon playthrough involved all DLC's. Even though you may not have bought Arrival (and thus your Shepard never done that mission) and you see that the Alliance went and ran that mission and experience the effects of that in your story. But the canon storyline (if there is one) was with Shep doing everything, side-missions, loyalty missions, and DLC.

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Well, while the details might be missing for someone who didn't play LotSB, I would think it would still be considered canon since Liara is SB in ME3, as well. Similar to LotSB, Overlord details may not be the same but the info still shows up in ME3 if you didn't play the dlc. My first time through, I played Overlord after doing the suicide mission and it didn't port into ME3 so when I met Dr. I-love-my-autistic-brother-so-I'm-going-to-"volunteer"-him-for-something-dangerous-and-torture-him, it played through as if I'd never met him so I had to dialogue him into explaining the story of Overlord to me. However, the info was the same (brother was used in an experiment to control the geth and it went bad). I just supposedly didn't have the first-person experience with it.

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

I think the eyes in the picture of the SC are slightly exaggerated seeing as how its hard to get that clear of view of his face. It may just be we havent seen it like that before.

For the green and blue flashes during TIM conversation, honestly its hard to tell. Its late over here so I may just be at a point where I'm too fatigued to actually discern what I'm looking at but I am having trouble seeing what your seeing :/

And I thought a canon playthrough involved all DLC's. Even though you may not have bought Arrival (and thus your Shepard never done that mission) and you see that the Alliance went and ran that mission and experience the effects of that in your story. But the canon storyline (if there is one) was with Shep doing everything, side-missions, loyalty missions, and DLC.


It's much easier to spot if you do it yourself in game. I watched it flash blue and green pixels about twenty times. It's there, trust me. You see it when the investigate option pops up that you have to pick in order to get the Paragon/Renegade options to appear.

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Gallifreya wrote...

It's much easier to spot if you do it yourself in game. I watched it flash blue and green pixels about twenty times. It's there, trust me. You see it when the investigate option pops up that you have to pick in order to get the Paragon/Renegade options to appear.

It's likely it's just a visual effect because it's a holographic projection.

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DJBare wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

It's much easier to spot if you do it yourself in game. I watched it flash blue and green pixels about twenty times. It's there, trust me. You see it when the investigate option pops up that you have to pick in order to get the Paragon/Renegade options to appear.

It's likely it's just a visual effect because it's a holographic projection.


Quite possible. But it is interesting to see, none the less. Considering any visual clue given in game would have to involve a visual effect. Unless it's like, writing or something. c.c

Modifié par Gallifreya, 20 août 2012 - 08:32 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hey guys, I found something (probably old and fake Posted Image) that even if fake, is pretty interesting. Who wants to see?


Sure, why not? :happy:

At least this tree makes sense, even if fake.
Posted Image
Link


That was totally how I was expecting it to go :crying:

Kulbelbolka wrote...

 ATTENTION, PLEASE!

Look at this picture.
Take a look on his face and his head. It's not the same boy from the
intro. Catalyst has another haircut and this creepy eyes... It's adult
eyes, for not kid's.

In my opinion, the whole Citadel episode is
some kind of virtual reality made of fragments that Shepard saw through
entire trilogy: you can see engine from Shadow Broker's ship, "1M1"
inscriptions (in uncharted part of the Citadel, yeah), pile of bodies
covered with texture of Asley & Kaidan's  default suits from ME1.
Same story with Catalyst:
- His voice is mix of three voices (Jeniffer Hale, Mark Meer and some kid voice actor).
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His legs and torso from The Kid from intro, but his haircut and his
face are different from The Kid (look at his eyes - those have not the
same size).

I'm afraid the kid's model (whilst creepy anyway) isn't really altered for this scene, at least from what I can see of the game files:(

However, I think you're bang on with your virtual reality fragments thing.

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Also, I noticed only now, that in final moment with Stargazer kid has:
- The same silhouette as The Intro Kid/The Catalyst.
- "Middle" voice of the Catalyst (without Hale and Meer).

What's wrong with this kid?

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He dropped his ice cream and now he's blaming Shepard and the galaxy instead of buying a new ****ing ice cream. Bloody kids

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Dam0299 wrote...

What can be considered canon and what non-canon in terms of DLC missions? Arrival has been confirmed as cannon for Shepard. Any playthrough where a player has NOT done Arrival is considered non-canon. Can we say the same about the other DLC's?

Edit: Fixed typo


People can argue that there's no DLC canon, it's whatever you do (except Arrival, can't argue that). What's important isn't whether each person can choose to do or not do something, but that Bioware writes the story while including all parts of it. I didn't phrase that very well, but I think you all know what I mean. When they wrote ME3's story, the primary story they wrote was a Shepard who did everything. All the DLC, all the side quests, everything. Then they add little bits of info/dialogue if your particular Shepard didn't.

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Kulbelbolka wrote...

Also, I noticed only now, that in final moment with Stargazer kid has:
- The same silhouette as The Intro Kid/The Catalyst.
- "Middle" voice of the Catalyst (without Hale and Meer).

What's wrong with this kid?


I thought the kid's silhouette was that of an adult man but then miniaturized.

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I put together a video of previous clips I made into the ending. At certain points in the video it will switch back to Mass Effect 2 to explain a point, then go back to Mass Effect 3 where you are.

Indoctrination video

It's still uploading so check back in a few hours.

Modifié par magnetite, 20 août 2012 - 09:54 .


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so hows the speculation going?

#12123
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Slowing down until Leviathan comes out Wolfy!

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I'm sure it's already been mentioned before (I haven't browsed these forums since before the extended cut), but did anyone else find Shepard's "twitch" when he woke up on The Citadel to be... well, odd? When it first happened I genuinely thought that BioWare were going forward with the Indoctrination Theory... but now I wonder if it was merely just a nod towards the theory, or I'm thinking too much into it? :P

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Hello, everyone! I trust all is going well? No problems to report besides of the occasional speculation withdrawal symptoms?