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[Big_Boss9]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I don't want to spoil Leviathan for myself so I haven't even read the leaked scripts. I wonder where in the single player campaign would be the best time to start Leviathan.

Since it's available immediately after Mars, I would imagine there, if for no other reason than to see if the events of the DLC have any effect on any other part of the game. I don't know if I feel like doing that, but I'm sure lots of people will and will post any relevent scenes.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanus, did you read my thing about EDI yesterday?

I didn't know you had a thing for robots

In all seriousness though, no.

Lol. I don't btw.  I prefer human females, or asari. Anyway, for those that missed it:

EDI: Objective Symbology
I’m actually very surprised no one has brought this up before, (or at least not that I’ve seen) but whatever, I will.
So basically, the first time I played through ME3 I was all like:
“Huh. EDI’s visor is orange/red, and Eva’s was blue. That’s weird. Most colour symbology has the opposite colours. Whatever.”
After seeing the extended cut however, it became blatantly obvious. The colour of her visor reflects her goals – her objectives. Dr. Eva was in TIM’s control, and TIM wanted control. After EDI takes over the body, it changes to destroy’s colour. Likewise, in the EC, if you pick synthesis it changes to green, the colour of synthesis. What is so interesting about that though, is that you have to have beaten the game to notice it. Yet more evidence that Bioware is not bad at writing, or implementing subtleties. In my opinion, this also suggests that EDI indeed favours destroy, even though it includes her death in a literal ending, since if she didn’t, why is it orange? Meaning, if the writers[/i] didn’t want her to favour destroy, why is it orange?
What do you all think of this?

Intersting idea. However, I believe that could have simply been a programming failure, but I doubt it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm certain IT or its many variations are what Bioware intended. They're simply not going to reveal it in a quick blurt on Twitter. Why would they? They've got mass IRL indoctrination going on right now. To reveal the truth with anything less than epic in-game content would be poor choice.

IT not being true is the nail in the coffin for the series. The literal view just leaves so many dreadnout sized plotholes in the story. 

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 20 août 2012 - 10:17 .

[BansheeOwnage]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm certain IT or its many variations are what Bioware intended. They're simply not going to reveal it in a quick blurt on Twitter. Why would they? They've got mass IRL indoctrination going on right now. To reveal the truth with anything less than epic in-game content would be poor choice.

IT not being true is the nail in the coffin for the series. The literal view just leaves so many dreadnout sized plotholes in the story. 

Agreed. If they have a reveal, it's gonna be ingame. And will most likely be in the last DLC. :/

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanus, did you read my thing about EDI yesterday?

I didn't know you had a thing for robots

In all seriousness though, no.

Lol. I don't btw.  I prefer human females, or asari. Anyway, for those that missed it:

EDI: Objective Symbology
I’m actually very surprised no one has brought this up before, (or at least not that I’ve seen) but whatever, I will.
So basically, the first time I played through ME3 I was all like:
“Huh. EDI’s visor is orange/red, and Eva’s was blue. That’s weird. Most colour symbology has the opposite colours. Whatever.”
After seeing the extended cut however, it became blatantly obvious. The colour of her visor reflects her goals – her objectives. Dr. Eva was in TIM’s control, and TIM wanted control. After EDI takes over the body, it changes to destroy’s colour. Likewise, in the EC, if you pick synthesis it changes to green, the colour of synthesis. What is so interesting about that though, is that you have to have beaten the game to notice it. Yet more evidence that Bioware is not bad at writing, or implementing subtleties. In my opinion, this also suggests that EDI indeed favours destroy, even though it includes her death in a literal ending, since if she didn’t, why is it orange? Meaning, if the writers[/i] didn’t want her to favour destroy, why is it orange?
What do you all think of this?

Intersting idea. However, I believe that could have simply been a programming failure, but I doubt it.

Thanks, and I think that would be a very weird and convenient error.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I don't want to spoil Leviathan for myself so I haven't even read the leaked scripts. I wonder where in the single player campaign would be the best time to start Leviathan.

Since it's available immediately after Mars, I would imagine there, if for no other reason than to see if the events of the DLC have any effect on any other part of the game. I don't know if I feel like doing that, but I'm sure lots of people will and will post any relevent scenes.

I think before Thessia might be the best time to tackle that mission, now that I think about it. 

[MaximizedAction]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I don't want to spoil Leviathan for myself so I haven't even read the leaked scripts. I wonder where in the single player campaign would be the best time to start Leviathan.

Since it's available immediately after Mars, I would imagine there, if for no other reason than to see if the events of the DLC have any effect on any other part of the game. I don't know if I feel like doing that, but I'm sure lots of people will and will post any relevent scenes.

I'm not sure, but does this mean that there will be no effects on other parts of the game?
twitter.com/GambleMike/status/237635812836130816

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm certain IT or its many variations are what Bioware intended. They're simply not going to reveal it in a quick blurt on Twitter. Why would they? They've got mass IRL indoctrination going on right now. To reveal the truth with anything less than epic in-game content would be poor choice.

IT not being true is the nail in the coffin for the series. The literal view just leaves so many dreadnout sized plotholes in the story. 

Agreed. If they have a reveal, it's gonna be ingame. And will most likely be in the last DLC. :/

Well, Jessica Merizan more or less confirmed that there will be other DLCs that will be adding on to the endings like Leviathan.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I don't want to spoil Leviathan for myself so I haven't even read the leaked scripts. I wonder where in the single player campaign would be the best time to start Leviathan.

Since it's available immediately after Mars, I would imagine there, if for no other reason than to see if the events of the DLC have any effect on any other part of the game. I don't know if I feel like doing that, but I'm sure lots of people will and will post any relevent scenes.

I'm not sure, but does this mean that there will be no effects on other parts of the game?
twitter.com/GambleMike/status/237635812836130816

I doubt it because I thought we found some lines from Kasumi/Jondum Bau's mission about the Leviathan of Dis. Don't take my word for it on that though; I stopped reading the leaked stuff ages ago to avoid spoilers.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 20 août 2012 - 10:29 .

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm certain IT or its many variations are what Bioware intended. They're simply not going to reveal it in a quick blurt on Twitter. Why would they? They've got mass IRL indoctrination going on right now. To reveal the truth with anything less than epic in-game content would be poor choice.

IT not being true is the nail in the coffin for the series. The literal view just leaves so many dreadnout sized plotholes in the story. 

Agreed. If they have a reveal, it's gonna be ingame. And will most likely be in the last DLC. :/

Well, Jessica Merizan more or less confirmed that there will be other DLCs that will be adding on to the endings like Leviathan.

Although you should disregard a lot of what she says (she knows about as much as we do), I'd say that's true. Should be interesting. I just wonder what stuff say, the Omega DLC, will add to the endings...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 20 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[smokingotter1]

FellishBeast wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I wonder if more people will find indoctrination theory believable after leviathan.

I wonder if I'll still find it believable after Leviathan. 

I'm seeing a lot of doubt in this thread over the last fews day. Trust me, DLC is slowly going to start adding to the ending. The ending to ME3 is incomplete and unclear and with each passing DLC it's going to get clearer and clearer about what actually happened post-breath scene. BTW if you're listening writers I have a suggestion for the name to the final citadel-crucible DLC  "Smokingotter was right all along."

[estebanus]

*spoiler* leviathan is Shepard's evil twin brother who seeks world domination by controlling the worlds cookie influx.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

*spoiler* leviathan is Shepard's evil twin brother who seeks world domination by controlling the worlds cookie influx.

WE ARE THE HARBINGER OF YOUR COOKIES.

[Bill Casey]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

EDI: Objective Symbology

I’m actually very surprised no one has brought this up before, (or at least not that I’ve seen) but whatever, I will.
So basically, the first time I played through ME3 I was all like:

“Huh. EDI’s visor is orange/red, and Eva’s was blue. That’s weird. Most colour symbology has the opposite colours. Whatever.”

After seeing the extended cut however, it became blatantly obvious. The colour of her visor reflects her goals – her objectives. Dr. Eva was in TIM’s control, and TIM wanted control. After EDI takes over the body, it changes to destroy’s colour. Likewise, in the EC, if you pick synthesis it changes to green, the colour of synthesis. What is so interesting about that though, is that you have to have beaten the game to notice it. Yet more evidence that Bioware is not bad at writing, or implementing subtleties. In my opinion, this also suggests that EDI indeed favours destroy, even though it includes her death in a literal ending, since if she didn’t, why is it orange? Meaning, if the writers didn’t want her to favour destroy, why is it orange?

What do you all think of this?

EDI blatantly favors the Destroy option...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

EDI: If the Normany were captured, my fate would be similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would become loyal to the Reapers. I would rather become non-fucntional than help them.

Shepard: We won't let that happen to you, EDI.

EDI: You may have no choice. If you perish first, I want you to know I will never be a part of the Reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated, not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside. It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

EDI: The Normandy's survival is not strategic.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

Illusive Man: EDI, I'm surprised at you. Working so hard to bring about the Reaper's destruction.
_____________________________________________________________________________________



Never put the visor thing together, but you're right...
Eva Core does indeed have a blue visor...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[ebuchala]

@Max and @Geth, the write up I saw about Leviathan said that there was no specific place in the game that it was linked to so you can play as soon as you want or wait until right before the end. However, they also mentioned somewhere that the extra Citadel locations could be visited repeatedly almost like a new hub section so it might be worth it to play it earlier so you can access those areas sooner and explore them more thoroughly. On the other hand, the only mentions I've seen of easter eggs were directly related to the endings so there might not be anything interesting in the new Citadel areas other than stuff directly related to Leviathan.

I think the dlc is going to be excellent, whether it helps or hinders IT. Of course, I do think it's going to help support it, just subtly. DLC isn't going to make or break whether I like ME or would purchase an ME4 if one came out, even if IT is never officially confirmed. It will always be my head canon, even if it gets disproved in dlc before everything's said and done (again, not that I think they'll do that).

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

EDI: Objective Symbology

I’m actually very surprised no one has brought this up before, (or at least not that I’ve seen) but whatever, I will.
So basically, the first time I played through ME3 I was all like:

“Huh. EDI’s visor is orange/red, and Eva’s was blue. That’s weird. Most colour symbology has the opposite colours. Whatever.”

After seeing the extended cut however, it became blatantly obvious. The colour of her visor reflects her goals – her objectives. Dr. Eva was in TIM’s control, and TIM wanted control. After EDI takes over the body, it changes to destroy’s colour. Likewise, in the EC, if you pick synthesis it changes to green, the colour of synthesis. What is so interesting about that though, is that you have to have beaten the game to notice it. Yet more evidence that Bioware is not bad at writing, or implementing subtleties. In my opinion, this also suggests that EDI indeed favours destroy, even though it includes her death in a literal ending, since if she didn’t, why is it orange? Meaning, if the writers didn’t want her to favour destroy, why is it orange?

What do you all think of this?

EDI blatantly favors the Destroy option...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

EDI: If the Normany were captured, my fate would be similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would become loyal to the Reapers. I would rather become non-fucntional than help them.

Shepard: We won't let that happen to you, EDI.

EDI: You may have no choice. If you perish first, I want you to know I will never be a part of the Reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated, not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside. It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

EDI: The Normandy's survival is not strategic.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

Illusive Man: EDI, I'm surprised at you. Working so hard to bring about the Reaper's destruction.
_____________________________________________________________________________________



Never put the visor thing together, but you're right...
Eva Core does indeed have a blue visor...

I know she does, but some people still need convincing. Nice quotes by the way. Also, I don't remember ever hearing the one in bold. I always talk to her...

[Bill Casey]

the EDI QUOTE you hadn't heard...

[smokingotter1]

@banshee You might want to check out this video if you haven't "There is only One Choice"

pro781623 does incredible amount of work to get quotes on what choice all the characters in ME3 would make, why the Geth and EDI would also choose destroy also.

It's a long video but I had a good time watching it.

[Bill Casey]

I actually found the highlighted quote in question and linked pro to it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[BansheeOwnage]

@ Otter and Bill Casey I've seen that video before. It's really good huh? I was just wondering how to queue that dialogue, as I've never done it ingame. Also, thanks for that picture comparison Bill, I'll add it to my text whenever I repost it.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 20 août 2012 - 10:57 .

[Bill Casey]

Implications, unpleasant...

[GethPrimeMKII]

More thoughts on Bioware's live indoctrination experiment:

It's been said before and it's hard to figure out why all the control supporters can't see it. The decision chamber is designed to break the 4th wall and trick the player. When has Shepard ever associated red or blue with moral decisions? Yet here's the decision chamber, a place billions of years old, that just happens to be color coded renegade red and paragon blue.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 20 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...




Implications, unpleasant...

Not necessarily.

[munnellyladt]

I just noticed something interesting,after the destroy ending in the flash fowards,it shows a devestated citadel,but the arms(or at least some of them)are still connected.

Just something I noticed.

[BansheeOwnage]

munnellyladt wrote...

I just noticed something interesting,after the destroy ending in the flash fowards,it shows a devestated citadel,but the arms(or at least some of them)are still connected.

Just something I noticed.

Yeah, I thought that was weird too, considering they seemed to be blown off. And it was added too.