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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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The counter at the top of the forum is counting down to next tuesday.

Packs always only last 1 week.


Naturally.  There's often an eagle in them, and it doesn't take flies and such long to eat a turd.

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TSA_383 wrote...


Also, regarding the Liara scene in the FOB - I'm sure it'll end up having something to do with Shepard's ability to resist indoctrination, although the mechanics of that are anyone's guess.


That's right guys, Liara saved you.
Again.

It's also possible the rachni queen will help if saved, due to their 'massive consequences, even in the final battle' or whatever it was.

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CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING


Any opinions? I workeded hard being a tinhat!

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RavenEyry wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


Also, regarding the Liara scene in the FOB - I'm sure it'll end up having something to do with Shepard's ability to resist indoctrination, although the mechanics of that are anyone's guess.


That's right guys, Liara saved you.
Again.

It's also possible the rachni queen will help if saved, due to their 'massive consequences, even in the final battle' or whatever it was.


"When the time comes our voice will join with yours, and our crescendo will burn the darkness clean."

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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

I feel ignored now.


Don't despair, happens to everyone in here.

Yeah I know. ;)

No, you have to give in to despair and then turn to the dark side to rule over this thread.


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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So, has anyone considered the possibility that the destroy option destroys not the Reapers themselves but rather the Reaper collective? In other words, it sends out a signal with the the relays that corrupts or destroys the Catalyst's hold on the Reapers?

I suggest this because it would bring an explanation to the Arrival "game over" image of Reapers attacking each other. The Crucible might operate with the intention of turning the Reapers against each other. Any thoughts on this?

What?


Yeah, if you look up the Arrival images, you can see Reapers attacking each other. See this:

 


BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So, has anyone considered the possibility that the destroy option destroys not the Reapers themselves but rather the Reaper collective? In other words, it sends out a signal with the the relays that corrupts or destroys the Catalyst's hold on the Reapers? 

I suggest this because it would bring an explanation to the Arrival "game over" image of Reapers attacking each other. The Crucible might operate with the intention of turning the Reapers against each other. Any thoughts on this?

Well from an IT perspective, there is no catalyst-child and thus no collective. But that theory is similar to the one where the crucible is an unindoctrination device that frees all thralls. If you combine this with my (and others') theory that the reapers are indoctrinated, they could be "set free".

 

Even an IT perspective doesn't forbid the possibility of a Reaper collective.  I imagine it being less of a collective mind and more of a collective purpose.  The programmed purpose for all Reapers is to harvest organic and synthetic life.  The Star Child is the essence of indoctrination and would thus be a represntation of the Reapers' goals.  So, in that regard, it could be telling the truth.

Even with all of the lies in the end scenario, there could still be half truths presented to us. The Reapers' purpose is likely a lie, by the Star Child's rendition of how they were created may have some elements of truth.  We don't have the data to know for certain

Not technically, but it would kind of defeat the purpose of the whole "We are each a nation, free of all weakness" thing.

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.

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masster blaster wrote...

Braz you do realize Paxxton is going to flip when he finds out about Banshee, and so are a lot of others but we can't tell anyone that Banshee is Chris. For if the people of BSN were to find out that Banshee, and Bill Casey are in fact the real Bioware staff members, then well prepare the IT's defences for the great battle that is coming.

[in Shepard's voice] How can I flip if I'm dead? jk

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paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

"Gentlemen, there's no fighting in here, this is the war room!"

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So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

"There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your fanbase."

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Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

The counter at the top of the forum is counting down to next tuesday.

Packs always only last 1 week.


Naturally.  There's often an eagle in them, and it doesn't take flies and such long to eat a turd.

Tough luck?

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

I know that that cooperation isn't seamless and is increasingly difficult. Maybe not the best example. But something similar only closer to perfection. 

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.


Lol, not sure if serious. UN is just a bunch of people talking about potentially working together.

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

I know that that cooperation isn't seamless and is increasingly difficult. Maybe not the best example. But something similar only closer to perfection. 


No such thing as perfection.  No matter what Miranda's hypergiant of an ego says.

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paxxton wrote...

So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

"There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your fanbase."

No.
No we do not.

Also, I got a demolisher in my pack it turns out. Unfortunately more exams and so no MP today :(

Still...
ERMAHGERD ARCENADES

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paxxton wrote...

So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

Masster decided it must be Banshee for reasons that only make sense to him and got really angree when no one agreed.

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TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

"There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your fanbase."

No.
No we do not.

Also, I got a demolisher in my pack it turns out. Unfortunately more exams and so no MP today :(

Still...
ERMAHGERD ARCENADES

I should've added "jk"s everywhere in that post. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

I know that that cooperation isn't seamless and is increasingly difficult. Maybe not the best example. But something similar only closer to perfection. 

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It occurs to me that I haven't advertised myself for MP in here yet so.. considered this an invitation to add me on Origin (same username). Not too keen on Gold or Platinum unless ya'll have a bit of a patience but slowly getting better at playing the Shadow. But will play a bit of everything, always looking for great people to play with.

And on-topic.. if the Rachni queen turns out to be important than I am so screwed, Paragade Shep didn't give her a second chance to potentially screw things up.

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RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

Masster decided it must be Banshee for reasons that only make sense to him and got really angree when no one agreed.

How did he arrive at that conclusion? lol

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But nations cooperate. E.g. UN.


You're not very familiar with the UN I take it.

I know that that cooperation isn't seamless and is increasingly difficult. Maybe not the best example. But something similar only closer to perfection. 

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"Cut off, I said."

Modifié par paxxton, 01 août 2012 - 01:11 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

No.
No we do not.

Also, I got a demolisher in my pack it turns out. Unfortunately more exams and so no MP today :(

Still...
ERMAHGERD ARCENADES


Opposite here. MP's about all I got to do today, and I still can't enjoy it after the nerf. I keep trying, just... tastes like ashes.

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we have a camouflaged BioWare spy among our ranks, huh?

Masster decided it must be Banshee for reasons that only make sense to him and got really angree when no one agreed.

How did he arrive at that conclusion? lol


Please, please don't ask. He might pop back in and answer. It's like asking a genie to show you the meaning of madness.

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paxxton wrote...

How did he arrive at that conclusion? lol

Banshee posted at the same time Chris locked mark II. Which somehow makes them the same person, even though Banshee has a brother here atteting that they aren't.

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Rifneno wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

No.
No we do not.

Also, I got a demolisher in my pack it turns out. Unfortunately more exams and so no MP today :(

Still...
ERMAHGERD ARCENADES


Opposite here. MP's about all I got to do today, and I still can't enjoy it after the nerf. I keep trying, just... tastes like ashes.

Too bad you can't always come first because of an op gun.

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leonia42 wrote...

It occurs to me that I haven't advertised myself for MP in here yet so.. considered this an invitation to add me on Origin (same username). Not too keen on Gold or Platinum unless ya'll have a bit of a patience but slowly getting better at playing the Shadow. But will play a bit of everything, always looking for great people to play with.

I remember doing a gold game with you, but I also remember Pacifien being the lone survivor. ^_^