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[spotlessvoid]

Hrothdane very nicely done

[Hrothdane]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I know this is something we've talked about before, but there's not really anything else to speculate on, so here's my rant.

Why was the Crucible plotline made so utterly ridiculous? The best scientific minds on the planet don't know how it works or what it will do, but The Illusive Man does? I don't even have to go into the way we learn about the Crucible, and how terrible the writing is there. We didn't even have a way of getting the Crucible to the Citadel, but the Reapers bring it to Earth, and then they leave a beam on Earth leading right to the control panel. This isn't a trap, this isn't some clever ploy for indoctrination this is just terrible writing.

Be a pessimist all you want, and bash Bioware all you want, but defaulting to bad writing gets us nowhere. I do agree with you to an extent about the crucible, but I think the only viable option for its existence is that it's a trap. Everything points to it. To quote Shepard:
"The reapers built the relays. It's all part of the same trap."

hmmm. Banshee, your post got me thinking. Do you know why exactly prompted the search of the Mars Archives?

I believe it was Liara's VI, Glyph who found some sort of new data there or something. It was never very clear. What I do know is Hackett's image is mirrored for some reason when he orders you to Mars. Another thing: How did Cerberus find out? They got there even faster. Only thing I can think of is that the reapers told both parties. That also fits with no reaper off-button, and excuses a superweapon being discovered in literally the second mission.
Edit: Comparison:

Video

Nice catch on the mirroring!

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

Nice catch on the mirroring!

Thanks! I'm gonna check some other missions to make sure something's up.

Edit: Just checked a couple of N7 missions. His scar is displayed properly on his right side. Something's definitely up...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 août 2012 - 07:19 .

[Hrothdane]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Nice catch on the mirroring!

Thanks! I'm gonna check some other missions to make sure something's up.

I might go play some more myself. Just got to Priority: Sur'Kesh. ****ing dalatrass.

Glad you guys liked the post! I figured we could all use a laugh, and my Shakespeare class started today, which made me think of my favorite Shakespeare play/movie, which made me think of the best speech in that play/move, etc....

[spotlessvoid]

JGibson really got me thinking

I think in a way, having all three choices given at the end was the worst possible scenario. The Mass Effect series has presented player agency as a defining characteristic, both through actual game play and promotional content. The narrative impact of your choices were presented as having a huge impact on "your story." To then remove that mechanism at the end while still attempting to give the appearance of choice, in such a horribly executed manner (can you say palette swap) was even worse than removing any pretense of choice. By forcing the player into subjectively varying degrees of losing scenarios, they fail to come off as nihilistic (in a freaking space opera) or even dark at that. I think an ending with either a "no choices you just die Shepard" or "there is only one **** choice but it's better than total annihilation" would be better than that literal interpretation crap. Pick a color and who the hell cares what happens after. It's so mind numbingly stupid for so many reasons that it's almost proof IT is correct. It's like they collectively stroked out in the last 20 minutes of the trilogy.
Really didn't like the sound of those community manager comments jgibson linked, but I'm keeping the faith that Bioware knows what they are doing. We have dlc in a week. Let's see what that brings to the table. I know I WANT to believe, but as Hrothdane so eloquently stated it's all about rigorously examining the evidence in search of truth

Ok time for sleep

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 21 août 2012 - 07:52 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Just saw an episode of Alphas where one of them could emit Infrasound from his body while he was in a comatose state. It was causing a lot of electrical problems in the hospital and, even more interesting, it was causing other Alphas to hallucinate based on the emotion the Infrasound Alpha was "emitting" from his state.

It's kind of interesting to think; if not for ME3 and the IT I'd have no clue what Infrasonic sound was and the episode (of Alphas) would've been a lot less interesting.

[BansheeOwnage]

Goodnight everyone, and we'll talk about Hackett tomorrow.

[MaximizedAction]

Not sure if this was already linked here, but here's and interesting bit from the recent encounter somone had with Casey at a Starbucks:

www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/ycmts/casey_hudson_came_into_my_starbucks_today_got_a/c5ufaos

"...he did say that the stuff in the extended cut they had wanted to put in the game in the first place."

(assuming the interviewer is legit here) this does make sense when considering for example that cutscene with the squad's death that got cut -- that btw. even more shows how the original ending only contained the low-ems version of the EC-ending.

[plfranke]

I have some speculations for you guys. When playing through "From Ashes", Javik talks a lot of smack to paragons. Paragon is perceived as doubt and fear. If you haven't made renegade decisions in me3 he says he senses anxiety and fear in you, because "the Reapers are winning". Also, at the very end of the conversation if you take the renegade route when he says if you don't care about killing the reapers you become a casualty, he will read you again. You will say that the singular goal of the Normandy is destroying the Reapers, and if you're paragon he will tell you that you're lying and there is doubt behind your words. Sounds like foreshadowing that "paragon" may not be the way to go.

[ebuchala]

plfranke wrote...

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. I find it very suspicious that Cerberus got there at the exact same time, and it's never explained how TIM knew before the Alliance did. I need to find out how long Dr. Eva was there for. Illusive Man says the Alliance has known about the archives for years, well so as he probably so why hasn't he done anything with it?

I'm pretty sure Liara said Dr. Eva had only been there a week or so. However, I also recall a datapad where a scientist was responding to an obviously negative comment about Dr. Eva and Liara both being around. The scientist mentioned Liara being famous and how excited he/she was to meet her but also mentioned being annoyed at having new people there digging into their project. Kind of made it sound like they both got there at the same time which was different than how Liara made it sound (like she had been there for a bit and then Dr. Eva showed up).

Personally, I thought the whole Mars archive thing seemed strange. The reapers appear and as Shep is heading off to the Citadel, Hackett suddenly contacts him to say go check out Mars first. I guess because Shepard was under house arrest or something, Hackett couldn't send him earlier.

Oh, wait, doesn't Hackett ask Liara to look into the archives? When Shephard and crew show up, Liara asks Shepard why they're on Mars and he says that Hackett told them Liara could explain what was going on. She tells them about the crucible and then, when Shepard asks Liara how she knew to look there for the suddenly important Prothean artifact, she said Hackett asked her to check it out.

Of course, I could just be remembering everything wrong

Modifié par ebuchala, 21 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Another thing: How did Cerberus find out? They got there even faster. Only thing I can think of is that the reapers told both parties.

You're forgetting about Dr Eva.

[Galifreya]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Another thing: How did Cerberus find out? They got there even faster. Only thing I can think of is that the reapers told both parties.

You're forgetting about Dr Eva.

"Every war has it's traitors."

That quote was even in the demo. I think it's a really important line. In the demo, it even takes place right after you leave Earth...after seeing Starbinger get smoked.

It could be referring to Hackett, Shepard (at the end), the Leviathan (traitor to the Reapers), Udina (obviously, this is possibly a red herring to throw us off of the trail of a bigger traitor), any of your crew. I'm convinced someone is a traitor. Someone we don't know about yet. I think Leviathan is going to make Shepard question that. I can almost hear it asking Shepard about it in that deep Reaper growl.

My bet is definitely Hackett.

[Carmin_Steele]

I'm still lurking. I'm a firm believer in IT, I just don't really have a whole lot to contribute and the thread moves -really- fast. I can only read 3 or 4 pages a night before bed to try and get 'caught up' as best I can before it jumps another 30-40 pages on me by the next time I have a chance to read.

Anyway.. I'm still here as I can be, and I'm still believing in IT... that mirroring thing with Hackett there is really interesting and I totally missed it myself. Of course, I've only played through twice now once as a Renegade-Post EC once as my Paragon pre-EC.

[spotlessvoid]

maximizedaction

thanks for that link. it just put a nice dent in my sleep time, but was definitely a great read.


off to bed for real

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 21 août 2012 - 08:43 .

[Carmin_Steele]

Gallifreya wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Another thing: How did Cerberus find out? They got there even faster. Only thing I can think of is that the reapers told both parties.

You're forgetting about Dr Eva.

"Every war has it's traitors."

That quote was even in the demo. I think it's a really important line. In the demo, it even takes place right after you leave Earth...after seeing Starbinger get smoked.

It could be referring to Hackett, Shepard (at the end), the Leviathan (traitor to the Reapers), Udina (obviously, this is possibly a red herring to throw us off of the trail of a bigger traitor), any of your crew. I'm convinced someone is a traitor. Someone we don't know about yet. I think Leviathan is going to make Shepard question that. I can almost hear it asking Shepard about it in that deep Reaper growl.

My bet is definitely Hackett.

Or James. James asks if you if you hear that buzzing sound in the cargo hold... Anyone read the comic based on him that came out after ME3? Any hints or ideas/forshadowing in that?

[Dam0299]

Hello all, I would like to have my say on a subject I have seen alot of people complain about. I am talking about the EC scene where your team is extracted from the beam run, while Harbinger just sits there, Doing nothing.

Alot of people have complained as to why Harbs would just sit their despite having a clear shot at the Normandy and Shepard. In my personal opinion this could be seen as another point for the IT.

Think about it, Harbinger could kill them all in the matter of seconds, yet he just stays their prehaps watching. The way I see it, Harbinger knows that Shepard is close to his trap, He probably wants to kill all the crew on the Normandy more then possibly imaginable.

But Harbinger is smart, If he destroyed the Normandy, Without a doubt Shepard would have been in such a rage over seeing the death of his/her friends (and love interest) and would not have even contemplated taking any other choice other then Destroy. By letting them live, Shepard could be more susceptable to the suggestion of alternatives. He wants Shepard like some freaky cyborg stalker and is willing to let people live if it means he can get Shep on his side.

Its just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

[plfranke]

Hahaha! Epic Foreshadowing! Talked to Bailey after the palaven mission and took the "War" Investigate option. Bailey said "We can only live in denial for so long." and Shepard replies "You either wake up or you die."

[Galifreya]

plfranke wrote...

Hahaha! Epic Foreshadowing! Talked to Bailey after the palaven mission and took the "War" Investigate option. Bailey said "We can only live in denial for so long." and Shepard replies "You either wake up or you die."

Excellently spotted.

[krogen117]

Does everyone even realize that despite the destroy ending, the other 2 options are exactly the same methodologies used by Saren and the illusive man to fight the reapers.

Saren wanted to join with the reapers, become as one with machines to serve the reapers so that organics may live. Does this sound familiar? Why yes it does, it's called synthesis.

The illusive man on the other hand wanted to try and control the reapers, and we all know they were both indoctrinated. do you see a pattern emerging here?

So in the end, why would Shepard choose those choices? Why would he succumb to those same beliefs that he already knew were wrong, and we all know he thought that because he disagreed with the illusive man and Saren in the previous games.

There for, there is only one true ending, destroy.

Modifié par krogen117, 21 août 2012 - 10:11 .

[Jusseb]

Great speculations and finds, i love you guys

[Ageless Face]

krogen117 wrote...

Does everyone even realize that despite the destroy ending, the other 2 options are exactly the same methodologies used by Saren and the illusive man to fight the reapers.

Saren wanted to join with the reapers, become as one with machines to serve the reapers so that organics may live. Does this sound familiar? Why yes it does, it's called synthesis.

The illusive man on the other hand wanted to try and control the reapers, and we all know they were both indoctrinated. do you see a pattern emerging here?

So in the end, why would Shepard choose those choices? Why would he succumb to those same beliefs that he already knew were wrong, and we all know he thought that because he disagreed with the illusive man and Saren in the previous games.

There for, there is only one true ending, destroy.

Technactly, even if IT is true, usually people don't pick control/Synthesis because of Saren's and TIM's reasons. In fact, what Saren wanted and what Synthesis is isn't the same. Saren's idea was submission to the Reapers, that is turning everyone to husks, Synthesis is a compromise between synthetics and organics.

Just saying...

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 août 2012 - 10:20 .

[krogen117]

HagarIshay wrote...

krogen117 wrote...

Does everyone even realize that despite the destroy ending, the other 2 options are exactly the same methodologies used by Saren and the illusive man to fight the reapers.

Saren wanted to join with the reapers, become as one with machines to serve the reapers so that organics may live. Does this sound familiar? Why yes it does, it's called synthesis.

The illusive man on the other hand wanted to try and control the reapers, and we all know they were both indoctrinated. do you see a pattern emerging here?

So in the end, why would Shepard choose those choices? Why would he succumb to those same beliefs that he already knew were wrong, and we all know he thought that because he disagreed with the illusive man and Saren in the previous games.

There for, there is only one true ending, destroy.

Technactly, even if IT is true, usually people don't pick control/Synthesis because of Saren's and TIM's reasons. In fact, what Saren wanted and what Synthesis is isn't the same. Saren's idea was submission to the Reapers, that is turning everyone to husks, Synthesis is a compromise between synthetics and organics.

Just saying...

Was Saren not half organic and machine? I believe he was and i remember him specifically saying something along the lines of "we can be become as one, all the strengths of both organics and machines and none of their weakness". That sounds like synthesis to me.

And with your first statement you have just strengthened my point.

Modifié par krogen117, 21 août 2012 - 10:47 .

[CoolioThane]

The blatant foreshadowing of Destroy being the only choice, for me, is a big hint that IT is true

[krogen117]

CoolioThane wrote...

The blatant foreshadowing of Destroy being the only choice, for me, is a big hint that IT is true

I am 95% certain it is.

[Ageless Face]

krogen117 wrote...
Was Saren not half organic and machine? I believe he was and i remember him specifically saying something along the lines of "we can be become as one, all the strengths of both organics and machines and none of their weakness". That sounds like synthesis to me.

And with your first statement you have just strengthened my point.

Yes, Saren is partly machine and partly organic. On that aspect, synthesis and Saren's plans were the same. But synthesis doesn't mean submtting to the Reapers (unless IT is true, of course. In that case only Shepard submitted ). Synthesis also change the synthetics, not only organics. Saren didn't plan that.

How did my first statement strengthened your point? If Shepard chose either control or synthesis, the reasons behind it were different than Saren and TIM's. That means, that Shepard still doesn't agree with them even if s/he picked this choices.