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[demersel]

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

[munnellyladt]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Sooo,anything new going on here?

I'm too lazy to read.

Coming to the IT thread not wanting to read? THIS IS MADNESS.

The past few speculative posts have all had pictures, go look at those.

*Auuugh*

THE EFFORT!

EDIT:NOOOOOOO!

Nearly got top of pg 500.

Modifié par munnellyladt, 21 août 2012 - 07:13 .

[spotlessvoid]

Banshee...certainly sounds like that's what he is implying

[demersel]

 Mass Effect 3, and it's approach to the storytelling (if you take IT into account) remind me of this - 

[ZerebusPrime]

So with the reverse image Hackett thing...

It's no small feat to fake a QEC transmission. You have to be in possession of one of the transmitters with a set of entangled particles linked to whoever you are transmitting to, unless the Alliance has set up a giant QEC switchboard somewhere (in which case every QEC is entangled to the switchboard).

[D.Sharrah]

Lokanaiya wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone want to guess who I was quoting?

*snip*

Right universe...wrong person...

Oops :/

No reason for the oops...impressive that you got the right universe - one last hint: think sequel.

Yoda, he says "Truth that is, from a certain point of view" or something along those lines in response to Luke's accusation that he said that Vader killed his father.

I didn't even remember that...ashamed....I was actually thinking of Kreia...she says it several times in KOTOR II.

[BansheeOwnage]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

So with the reverse image Hackett thing...

It's no small feat to fake a QEC transmission. You have to be in possession of one of the transmitters with a set of entangled particles linked to whoever you are transmitting to, unless the Alliance has set up a giant QEC switchboard somewhere (in which case every QEC is entangled to the switchboard).

I think Ontarom might be something like a QEC switchboard right? Could be wrong here. In any case, I think that the reapers could pull it off.

[D.Sharrah]

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I always got the impression that what synthetics "wanted" from synthesis was "true understanding of organic emotion"...and that is what they got - after all, that is what our "strength" is right?

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 août 2012 - 07:36 .

[D.Sharrah]

@Banshee: Yet another detail that I would have missed w/o the community here - you guys/gals are truly extraordinary!

[demersel]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

So with the reverse image Hackett thing...

It's no small feat to fake a QEC transmission. You have to be in possession of one of the transmitters with a set of entangled particles linked to whoever you are transmitting to, unless the Alliance has set up a giant QEC switchboard somewhere (in which case every QEC is entangled to the switchboard).

It's not on the QEC - it's oon some monitor in the hangar. All you have to do is face the output on the monitor. Also - it could all be in shepards head, I don't remember the whole scene - but from that part on you tube it really looks like as if shepard is just leaning on some console, hearing thing, and ashley there has no clue what is going on - she is walking back and forth as if nothing is happening. 

Edit - in the full scene it looks like he ended his argument with Vega and then started hearing things - joker's voice is in his head - ashley is there in the back and she acts as if she hears nothing, 

Modifié par demersel, 21 août 2012 - 07:41 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Synthesis completely takes away any sense of achievement for the survivors. Synthetics don't have to work towards understanding, they just understand organics, there is no sense of achievement for them there. All organics are near the pinnicle of evolution. They don't have to train or study to become better, they just automatically have it, no sense of achievement here either. Synthesis is just the instant gratification ending that eventually ends up creating a stale life for everyone still alive.

[D.Sharrah]

demersel wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

So with the reverse image Hackett thing...

It's no small feat to fake a QEC transmission. You have to be in possession of one of the transmitters with a set of entangled particles linked to whoever you are transmitting to, unless the Alliance has set up a giant QEC switchboard somewhere (in which case every QEC is entangled to the switchboard).

It's not on the QEC - it's oon some monitor in the hangar. All you have to do is face the output on the monitor. Also - it could all be in shepards head, I don't remember the whole scene - but from that part on you tube it really looks like as if shepard is just leaning on some console, hearing thing, and ashley there has no clue what is going on - she is walking back and forth as if nothing is happening. 

I always did find it odd, that right after the transmission ends James asks what's going on and VS never supports Shep despite being in the room at the same time - you would think that they would have heard the message too...

[D.Sharrah]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Synthesis completely takes away any sense of achievement for the survivors. Synthetics don't have to work towards understanding, they just understand organics, there is no sense of achievement for them there. All organics are near the pinnicle of evolution. They don't have to train or study to become better, they just automatically have it, no sense of achievement here either. Synthesis is just the instant gratification ending that eventually ends up creating a stale life for everyone still alive.

The real crap bag there is that you already have two characters that have been introduced to the story that are well on there way there already...granted Legion is dead by the end game, but EDI almost gives you the exact same speech at the FOB as she does in the synthesis ending...

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Banshee: Yet another detail that I would have missed w/o the community here - you guys/gals are truly extraordinary!

Thanks! I would have missed a hell of a lot of stuff too! Something I said to that effect:

That's the point of the IT thread if you ask me. We are the geth consensus. We share perspectives. We combine our intellect to achieve something greater than any one of us could come up with individually. Through the trials of repetition, we discard the unnecessary and fortify the important. The weaknesses of one of us are insignificant because the strengths of the rest of us do more than compensate for them, they overshadow them. We can be wrong as individuals, but as a group, a team, we become something greater: what humanity could become if we put our minds to it. If we work together. This is my vision of the future.

Great job everyone!

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Why do they need to understand organics if there no organics any more? Everything organic is synthesised, so now there is no reason for them to understand something special about them - everything is syntetic now. 

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

The real crap bag there is that you already have two characters that have been introduced to the story that are well on there way there already...granted Legion is dead by the end game, but EDI almost gives you the exact same speech at the FOB as she does in the synthesis ending...

That last part is very strange indeed. Also, they made a smiley just for synthesis!  I knew it was green for a reason! Wait...

Control:
Synthesis:
Destroy:
Refuse:

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 août 2012 - 07:50 .

[demersel]

D.Sharrah wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I always got the impression that what synthetics "wanted" from synthesis was "true understanding of organic emotion"...and that is what they got - after all, that is what our "strength" is right?

No, our greatest strengths are mortality and ability to feel pain. - emotions come from that. 

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Why do they need to understand organics if there no organics any more? Everything organic is synthesised, so now there is no reason for them to understand something special about them - everything is syntetic now. 

Wow I never even thought of that. Great point. Your point will make a fine addition to my collection.

Edit: My collection is at 14957 words!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 août 2012 - 07:49 .

[D.Sharrah]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I don't think synthetics get organic parts in synthesis, rather, they get organics. Understand them. Regardless synthesis FTL!

Edit:  

Why do they need to understand organics if there no organics any more? Everything organic is synthesised, so now there is no reason for them to understand something special about them - everything is syntetic now. 

Again...its not the understanding of organics that synthetics gain, but the understanding of emotion...for a Star Trek comparison, think of Data from TNG when he has the emotions chip plugged in - he senses fear, etc. but w/o he is always struggling to grasp the subleties of the crews' emotions (from anger and sarcasm to love and humor).  That is what synthetics get from synthesis...

[ice-vision]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@banshee
It is also interesting to note that Eva was FORCIBLY controlled by TIM. In synthesis everyone was FORCED to become part organic/synthetic. However, during the majority of the game EDI's visor is red, by her own accord, nobody forced her to do so, yet in the other two situations it is forced.

She was created to serve TIM, not forcibally controlled, she can only follow her programming or TIM's orders.

[D.Sharrah]

demersel wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also there is a question - what organic parts does EDI get after synthsis? What is the nature of her transformation, except for the visir colour change? As it seems to me in syntesys, al the wave does is give tech stuff to all organics - but to the syntetics it does almost nothing, just changing the colours of their lights - as in giving them new programming, as in being controled!

I always got the impression that what synthetics "wanted" from synthesis was "true understanding of organic emotion"...and that is what they got - after all, that is what our "strength" is right?

No, our greatest strengths are mortality and ability to feel pain. - emotions come from that. 

In the terms of synthesis I am not sure that this is accurate...think of Saren's words, "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither" and EDI's speech from the synthesis ending where she talks about how now there is no worry about disease, death, etc. (not exact words I know - but definetly not screaming behold our mighty mortality).  You may be right that emotions themselves have an origin - but I think it is the emotions themselves that is the strength that synthetics desire...especially in the ME Universe - just think of some of the conversations that you have with EDI in ME 3.

[demersel]

D.Sharrah wrote...
Again...its not the understanding of organics that synthetics gain, but the understanding of emotion...for a Star Trek comparison, think of Data from TNG when he has the emotions chip plugged in - he senses fear, etc. but w/o he is always struggling to grasp the subleties of the crews' emotions (from anger and sarcasm to love and humor).  That is what synthetics get from synthesis...

Yeah, and i always thought that DATA's subplots are lame. 

You get understanding of emotions, spending time with those individuals who has them, and dispays them constantly. 

Again why do they need understanding of emotions if there are no emotions anymore? Emotions is a mean of communication, when everything is syntetic, there is now need for that anymore, since communications between everything are now digital and handled at the speed of light. 

[ebuchala]

demersel wrote...

The problem with Rufuse being the true ending - it doesn't have breath scene. And they could have easili added that, or changed it so destroy doesn't have it and refuse does. 

Also, ypu're thinking about it from the wrong angle.
We used to have three options, now we have four. 
High EMS destroy has breath scene at the end. 
Before EC people chose destroy for two reasons: 
1 - they truly wanted to destroy the reapers at all costs. 
2 - they liked the other two options even less. 

Now, after the EC release - only people who want to chose destroy, chose it. Others, those who are not commited, or who doesn't like the options given have refuse, which really does nothing. 
Imagine, you struggle through countless hordes of enemies, with one goal - do destroy the reapers, and then, the catalyst says," OK, you've gone so far, you've done so many thing, now you have three options - you can destroy us at all costs, as you wanted; you can try to control us, as illusive man suggested, OR! Power option! You can fuse all organic life in the galaxy with the machines some how! And go - naah,, i don't feel like doing anything. 

Addition of refuse in the EC has two purposes:

1- to make a treat to the community - We do listen you! We give you what you want! (and they did EXACTLY what the community asked for - add an option to tell the catasyst off with an epic speach! Let it be the lose option, but give us an opportunity to go with a blast.

2 - futher test the resolve of true fans, who want to wake up and fight off indoctrination. 

On the other hand, if everything the starbrat tells you is a lie, then why would destroy be anything more than a ploy to get you to do something that the reapers want? I mean, if we know the starbrat is lying, manipulating, and being deliberately vague, etc. (which we do), then what makes one of HIS three options any better than the other two? Maybe the destroy option actually destroys all non-sentient technology which would take out pretty much all of our ships, weapons and communications and anyone who relied on technology to survive (Shepard, the quarians, etc.). I'm not saying it does, just pointing out that simply because Shep breathes after that option doesn't make it the "right" one--perhaps the breath scene is also part of the hallucination. I don't actually believe this, though, because that would mean that BW shipped a game with a no-win ending. (Of course, with talk of having dlc complete a game, I suppose it's not any worse than having a game without an ending, as long as the dlc does eventually give you the chance to win at some point).

Anyway, you have to admit that the refuse option is the only "option" that isn't offered by the starbrat so it's pretty much the only one untainted by Catalyst cooties. My current canon choice is destroy because that was everything my broshep worked towards. But my femshep might end up having refuse as her canon choice because, in my opinion, from a purely logical perspective, refuse would be the best IT option since you're essentially telling the reapers that you don't accept their logic or their solutions and will make your own solution, as Shepard has done  repeatedly throughout the series.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

About Synthesis...





A different kind of Control? 

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 21 août 2012 - 08:01 .