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I never understood the love for Star Wars. John Williams was the only thing outstanding about it.

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Rifneno wrote...

I never understood the love for Star Wars. John Williams was the only thing outstanding about it.

I never really liked the originals for more than the music and the action, which is probably why I don't hate the prequels as much as I'm told I should.
I also don't get the big deal about Lord of the Rings.

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Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece imo

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RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I never understood the love for Star Wars. John Williams was the only thing outstanding about it.

I never really liked the originals for more than the music and the action, which is probably why I don't hate the prequels as much as I'm told I should.
I also don't get the big deal about Lord of the Rings.


Book or movies?  The books put me to sleep.  Tolkien took forever to say nothing.  The movies were good, but they weren't insta-classics like many say.

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CoolioThane wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING


Any opinions? I workeded hard being a tinhat!


All of these pre-release puzzles seem to go unused, just as many of the dev's promises if taken literally.
You can't explain thatActually you can explain it, with IT.

And thanks for the sum up for the new thread!

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Rifneno wrote...

Book or movies?  The books put me to sleep.  Tolkien took forever to say nothing.  The movies were good, but they weren't insta-classics like many say.

Movies were fun but nothing special. I've never even got halfway through Fellowship before giving up trying to read them, and I'm a big reader.

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RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Also interesting:

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/230652736557957121

"Any chance of a DLC/Patch for the Codex? Explain how synthesis works, why catalyst didn't let sovereign in etc?"
"nope, not in the plans"

They're not planning an easy fix for massive plot holes? That is interesting.

So, the big press event thursday - who thinks Leviathan is getting announced tomorrow? :lol:

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I've just watched the FemShep version of Choose Wisely. Very nice video. I really like that piano motif at the beginning. And lol I was there in the "We believe" section. Image IPB Thanks!

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Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING


Any opinions? I workeded hard being a tinhat!


All of these pre-release puzzles seem to go unused, just as many of the dev's promises if taken literally.
You can't explain thatActually you can explain it, with IT.

And thanks for the sum up for the new thread!


Also, Vostok 1 was the first Russian space craft to carry a human into space.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Not sure if you missed my post, but no love on the front page for the FemShep version of Choose Wisely?

Your femshep scares me. Something about the eyes.


Haha. Biotic Shepard's are somewhat of an anomaly. They are older than any reported public exposures. Not only that, but if you have a Spacer background, Hannah survived said exposure without getting cancer. To reflect that Amy is an anomaly, her eyes are purple. They are actually the same color in ME3 via mod as they were in ME1 and 2 via selection. ME3 made 'gray' eyes actually appear gray.

And she is a little scary... Trust me. I wrote her back story.

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I'm sure this has been discussed countless times already and that others have made the same discoveries and had the same thoughts earlier. I have, however, rediscovered something interesting that I felt like bringing up here, though I sincerely apologize if it's already been analyzed 50 times.

Anyway, the topic is 1M1 and here are my thoughts on it.

I've seen mentions of this puzzling text before, but have not read in detail what others have thought of it, therefore it was a revelation to me last night playing the ending when I started thinking and playing around with what it might mean.

1M1
One M One
One Am One
I Am One
One Am I
I Am I
I M I

Those are the possible meanings I came up with. First of all, I don't believe it is possible that they just happened to put a architectural thingy with the text on it there. The whole citadel level must have been designed meticulously because of its importance in terms of story. They would think before they put human writing where no one has gone before. Therefore -

1) 1M1 is deliberatly put there.

This is a message to the players. And as gamers are the one group of people that are the most accustomed to using numbers instead of letters, all the time it would seem in gamer tags in fact, it is not such a stretch that the ones in 1M1 could be I, or that M could be short for "am" for that matter. So i find -

2) "I am one" is the meaning that makes the most sense (or "One am I", but that's just the Yoda version)

But what does it mean?

Now here comes the interpretation part. Is it Shepard's mind that is telling her that "I am one"="I am also one of those indoctrinated"?/"I am a reaper"? Or is it significant that the writing is on the citadel itselt saying the citadel is one? The citaldel is a reaper? It's yet another warning that Shepard can't trust the station? And therefore not Starbrat either as the citadel is part of him?

"I (the citadel, the catalyst) AM ONE(a reaper)" therefore don't trust it!

That's the message that made the most sense to me anyway. Thoughts?

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Turbo_J wrote...

Haha. Biotic Shepard's are somewhat of an anomaly. They are older than any reported public exposures. Not only that, but if you have a Spacer background, Hannah survived said exposure without getting cancer. To reflect that Amy is an anomaly, her eyes are purple. They are actually the same color in ME3 via mod as they were in ME1 and 2 via selection. ME3 made 'gray' eyes actually appear gray.

And she is a little scary... Trust me. I wrote her back story.


Anyone with special eyes tends to be more than a little scary in ME. :)

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leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

What press conference?

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Cecilia L wrote...

"I (the citadel, the catalyst) AM ONE(a reaper)" therefore don't trust it!

That's the message that made the most sense to me anyway. Thoughts?


I think with the 1M1 thing you're clutching at straws so hard you should probably check and see if you've turned them into diamonds...

leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

 
Talons....
Talons?

How do you play multiplayer with talons? :P

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

What press conference?


Mike Gamble announced that he's going to some big press event tomorrow.

I assume he's not there as a waiter [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Modifié par TSA_383, 01 août 2012 - 02:39 .


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paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

What press conference?


That one:
twitter.com/GambleMike/status/230528187740872704

EDIT: semi-:ph34r:'d by TSA.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 août 2012 - 02:40 .


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Finally getting around to reading some of the novels... did you guys know Anderson was born in London? Says so right in Revelations. A proper name, because I never knew Anderson was born in London!

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Rifneno wrote...

Finally getting around to reading some of the novels... did you guys know Anderson was born in London? Says so right in Revelations. A proper name, because I never knew Anderson was born in London!


Really?

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Rifneno wrote...

Finally getting around to reading some of the novels... did you guys know Anderson was born in London? Says so right in Revelations. A proper name, because I never knew Anderson was born in London!

I read Revelation almost 3 years ago. Great read especially right after completeing the first game. You really get to appreciate the main story when you know where the characters come from. Unfortunately, some of the details have been lost in time. Image IPB

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Listening to A Future for the Krogan... Image IPB

Modifié par paxxton, 01 août 2012 - 02:48 .


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Listening to I Will Watch Over The Ones Who Live On...
Those non-destroy crazies do get some good music.

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Listening to The View of Palaven...
Some heavy tones and mood.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 août 2012 - 02:53 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

Cecilia L wrote...

"I (the citadel, the catalyst) AM ONE(a reaper)" therefore don't trust it!

That's the message that made the most sense to me anyway. Thoughts?


I think with the 1M1 thing you're clutching at straws so hard you should probably check and see if you've turned them into diamonds...

leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

 
Talons....
Talons?

How do you play multiplayer with talons? :P

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Talons crossed for Leviathan announcement, the fact that they're holding a press event means something big is afoot.

What press conference?


Mike Gamble announced that he's going to some big press event tomorrow.

I assume he's not there as a waiter [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


Agreed, however the BW crew is a little psychotic when it comes to obscure details and 1*(M^(-1)) is the mathematical expression of convergence. Exactly what we get in the end and exactly what cannot happen.

"Convergence" also represents a sequence of transformations that inevitably come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in.

Convergence is what happens with red green and blue color cathodes in a TV.

So... Shepard is indoctrinated regardless of choice, however, the level of indoctrination obviously varies.

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Turbo_J wrote...

*snip*

Convergence is what happens with red green and blue color cathodes in a TV.


As seen on some light spots during the ending epilogue (RGB) and especially well during in the Synthesis epilogue.

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I wonder how it's possible that the Normandy's crew doesn't sway from side to side when Joker flies it? There must be some kind of artificial gravity field that is adjusted when the ship changes orientation.

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