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[estebanus]

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Modifié par estebanus, 22 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[Codename_Code]

estebanus wrote...

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Maybe this story ends with the hero being defeated by the impossible ?. I would take shepard and put her in a capsule Javik style with all the info about the reapers and the crucible and there you go, mass effect 4 with shepard and new races in a new cycle ... or maybe shepard wakes up and activates the crucible with the help of her friends and the crucible turns out to be a reaper killer EMP...who knows, the importan thing is that IT is true and  we deal with the reaper thing later.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 22 août 2012 - 08:52 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

estebanus wrote...

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Trap or not we will need the Crucible or something equivilant to it to even the odds. As things stand even under the best of circumtances we are horribly outgunned at Earth. Leviathan could be a huge step in the right direction for a conventional victory, but we I doubt a single Reaper for all we could learn will be the tipping point in the way we are allready outgunned.

But as for the Crucible, even if it is a trap it can be reconfigured. We know it can generate massive amounts of energy (not just from Kid) and the question is where to direct that energy. With some modifications we could direct it elsewhere than the Reaper intended on the Citadel possibly turning its relay into a weapon aka my Relay Accelerator Cannon idea.

But where should that modification come from? Well a possibility is it s done on the fly, but another and perhaps better posibility remains...Cerberus.

Yes TIM is Indoctrinated and as is most of forces, but not the Sciencetists (at least note som of them) as we know and I think, even hope that TIM had enough foresight to anticipate he might become Idoctrinate and set up countermeasures and projects to work even should he falter.

In fact if IT is true we havent gotten an explanation to that last surgery he went through.

A possibility my brother brought up is this...a control chip or VI or similar, a safety switch to allow him to continue in the critical moment even should his mind falter.

Imagine meeting TIM on the Citadel as we look to open it. He or perhaps a VI by him explains everything even as his body attacks you, fully under the reapers control and the VI also explains how the Crucible can be reconfigured to work in some way.

Yes it is far out, but it would make TIm both a bad guy that needs to be brought down, but also show he was still calculating and even more importantly show that even if their methods were wrong and even though they fell, Cerberus was always trying to protect humanity.

Just one of several ideas and posibilities.

[Arashi08]

Codename_Code wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Maybe this story ends with the hero being defeated by the impossible ?. I would take shepard and put her in a capsule Javik style with all the info about the reapers and the crucible and there you go, mass effect 4 with shepard and new races in a new cycle ... or maybe shepard wakes up and activates the crucible with the help of her friends and the crucible turns out to be a reaper killer EMP...who knows, the importan thing is that IT is true and  we deal with the reaper thing later.

Sry, gonna have to disagree with you there.  To me the important thing is that we actually get a good ending to a fantastic game series.  Whether this happens due to IT or not, is ultimately irrelevant, even though ti would be great to see all the research the contributors of this thread have done pay off.

but again, IMO

[Arashi08]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Trap or not we will need the Crucible or something equivilant to it to even the odds. As things stand even under the best of circumtances we are horribly outgunned at Earth. Leviathan could be a huge step in the right direction for a conventional victory, but we I doubt a single Reaper for all we could learn will be the tipping point in the way we are allready outgunned.

But as for the Crucible, even if it is a trap it can be reconfigured. We know it can generate massive amounts of energy (not just from Kid) and the question is where to direct that energy. With some modifications we could direct it elsewhere than the Reaper intended on the Citadel possibly turning its relay into a weapon aka my Relay Accelerator Cannon idea.

But where should that modification come from? Well a possibility is it s done on the fly, but another and perhaps better posibility remains...Cerberus.

Yes TIM is Indoctrinated and as is most of forces, but not the Sciencetists (at least note som of them) as we know and I think, even hope that TIM had enough foresight to anticipate he might become Idoctrinate and set up countermeasures and projects to work even should he falter.

In fact if IT is true we havent gotten an explanation to that last surgery he went through.

A possibility my brother brought up is this...a control chip or VI or similar, a safety switch to allow him to continue in the critical moment even should his mind falter.

Imagine meeting TIM on the Citadel as we look to open it. He or perhaps a VI by him explains everything even as his body attacks you, fully under the reapers control and the VI also explains how the Crucible can be reconfigured to work in some way.

Yes it is far out, but it would make TIm both a bad guy that needs to be brought down, but also show he was still calculating and even more importantly show that even if their methods were wrong and even though they fell, Cerberus was always trying to protect humanity.

Just one of several ideas and posibilities.

Well at Chronos Station Shepard does see the video of TIM preparing to get the implants, but when TIM contacts Shep via the hologram thing his face looks just like it always has, but on the Citadel it looks like the implants have eaten half of his face off.  So that is another pices of evidence that Shepard might be dreaming.  Either that or TIM was thinking REALLY negative thought's  (I still don't believe Shep has reaper tech implants tho lol)

[Arashi08]

Curse you double post!!!!

Modifié par Arashi08, 22 août 2012 - 09:06 .

[Codename_Code]

Arashi08 wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm still not quite sure how Shepard would end up defeating the reapers if the IT is true. That is, besides of my own idea. How would that work? thoughts?

EDIT: Ha! I'm on top! Be prepared Banshee, for I have bettered myself since last time!

Maybe this story ends with the hero being defeated by the impossible ?. I would take shepard and put her in a capsule Javik style with all the info about the reapers and the crucible and there you go, mass effect 4 with shepard and new races in a new cycle ... or maybe shepard wakes up and activates the crucible with the help of her friends and the crucible turns out to be a reaper killer EMP...who knows, the importan thing is that IT is true and  we deal with the reaper thing later.

Sry, gonna have to disagree with you there.  To me the important thing is that we actually get a good ending to a fantastic game series.  Whether this happens due to IT or not, is ultimately irrelevant, even though ti would be great to see all the research the contributors of this thread have done pay off.

but again, IMO

Yes but IT is only an ending if there is nothing more to see, the war is lost and there is no more shepard struggle. IT is a great twist, but it needs resolution. I believe they DID create this post Indonctrination ending and they cut it, the illusive man boss mode and the part where player lose control of shepard... they did cut Javik out of the game and then worked on it right ?

[estebanus]

Well, my idea is that the crucible makes a conventional victory achievable. The crucible would release these waves of energy in the form of a virus that scrambles the reapers' IFFs and communications. The reapers would then not be able to discern friend from foe, and they would not be able to control their ground troops any longer. They'd just start attacking anything in sight, even if it were another reaper. This would weaken the reaper's forces so much, that it would be able for the galactic fleets to destroy them once and for all. However, this war would still take years.

Shepard, being too wounded, would however not play a huge part in taking control of the citadel. s/he'd first go in the citadel after the arms are open, in order to defeat TIM and his remaining forces. Shepard can then either outright kill TIM, or coerce him to join the allied fleets. He would then call off his remaining trooops, and command them to help the resistance with purging the remaining reaper troops inside the citadel. Then, the crucible docks.

Oh, and Harby would be dead right after Shepard wakes up on Earth.

Modifié par estebanus, 22 août 2012 - 09:16 .

[Norlond]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
*snip*

Yes it is far out, but it would make TIm both a bad guy that needs to be brought down, but also show he was still calculating and even more importantly show that even if their methods were wrong and even though they fell, Cerberus was always trying to protect humanity.

Just one of several ideas and posibilities.

+1

I always liked TIMs character, even his more evil form in ME3 and I think that your idea would make a very good twist. But I seriously hope he doesn't transform in that machine thingy from the artbook, I agree with BW that this wouldn't fit his character at all.

[TheConstantOne]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Two secs need to facepalm myself...

Okay this is probably old news and we have already established that the Kid has to have some kind of connection to Shepards mind... but it is only now I realized he actually says it himself outright...I even quoted it without realizing.

"I know you have thought about destroying us."

Sure it is not hard to deduce Shepard wants the Reapers dead, but why not use a sentence like: "I know you want to destroy us."?

Probably old, but this...I really dont know how I missed that...

Interestingly, in low EMS scenarios where the Collector base was saved, the kid says, "I know you have thought about controlling us."

It seems that the kid has been trying to warm Shepard up to that idea for a while

[estebanus]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Two secs need to facepalm myself...

Okay this is probably old news and we have already established that the Kid has to have some kind of connection to Shepards mind... but it is only now I realized he actually says it himself outright...I even quoted it without realizing.

"I know you have thought about destroying us."

Sure it is not hard to deduce Shepard wants the Reapers dead, but why not use a sentence like: "I know you want to destroy us."?

Probably old, but this...I really dont know how I missed that...

Interestingly, in low EMS scenarios where the Collector base was saved, the kid says, "I know you have thought about controlling us."

It seems that the kid has been trying to warm Shepard up to that idea for a while

Actually, it says "you want to control us", not "I know you've thought about controlling us."

Modifié par estebanus, 22 août 2012 - 09:21 .

[Dam0299]

estebanus wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Two secs need to facepalm myself...

Okay this is probably old news and we have already established that the Kid has to have some kind of connection to Shepards mind... but it is only now I realized he actually says it himself outright...I even quoted it without realizing.

"I know you have thought about destroying us."

Sure it is not hard to deduce Shepard wants the Reapers dead, but why not use a sentence like: "I know you want to destroy us."?

Probably old, but this...I really dont know how I missed that...

Interestingly, in low EMS scenarios where the Collector base was saved, the kid says, "I know you have thought about controlling us."

It seems that the kid has been trying to warm Shepard up to that idea for a while

Actually, it says "you want to control us", not "I know you've thought about controlling us."

Actually I have heard the catalyst say many things, Pre and post EC it has said differant things about Control.

Modifié par Dam0299, 22 août 2012 - 09:30 .

[spotlessvoid]

Codename that's so crazy it might work.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Codename that's so crazy it might work.

To make an exact copy of the original trilogy and just put it in another time? Same storyline, too? Yeah, no thanks.

EDIT: The thread. I killed it again.

Modifié par estebanus, 22 août 2012 - 10:18 .

[FreddyCast]

So I hit a little snag in making my new IT vid. I can't seem to find a youtube vid which shows the boy running into the building and the Reapers destroying it. Can someone provide me a link?

[FreddyCast]

Found one. Sorry guys, back to making my IT vid.

[masster blaster]

Well PM me if something comes up. I will be playing Wolf Team in the mean time. Also what did you all think about my first post on page 510?

[plfranke]

I have a feeling that Omega will be like an "anti catalyst" or some sort. Remember TIM says "I've already acquired what you're after." The crucible can't be a complete trap, because it would feel ridiculous going through the whole game building something you know is a trap. It would kind of ruin replayability I think,

[The Heretic of Time]

Guys I'm convinced. After replaying ME3 I'm now 100% certain that my Shepard was indoctrinated in ME3. To read more details, check this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13794236

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 22 août 2012 - 11:05 .

[munnellyladt]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Guys I'm convinced. After replaying ME3 I'm now 100% certain that my Shepard was indoctrinated in ME3. To read more details, check this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13794236

Do you like the idea of becoming half husk?

Modifié par munnellyladt, 22 août 2012 - 11:28 .

[The Heretic of Time]

munnellyladt wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Guys I'm convinced. After replaying ME3 I'm now 100% certain that my Shepard was indoctrinated in ME3. To read more details, check this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13794236

Do you like the idea of becoming half husk?

If it gives me those awesome blue glowing eyes? Hell yes!

[FreddyCast]

Did I just witness a ITiest convert to ITianity? HAHAHA
But seriously, are you serious Heretic, that you finally believe in IT?
Puttting aside whether BW intended IT or not, do you finally believe in the merits of IT?

[The Heretic of Time]

FreddyCast wrote...

Did I just witness a ITiest convert to ITianity? HAHAHA
But seriously, are you serious Heretic, that you finally believe in IT?
Puttting aside whether BW intended IT or not, do you finally believe in the merits of IT?

Well whatever happened to Shepard in ME3, he definitely wasn't my Shepard anymore. He said and did all kinds of stuff my Shepard from ME1 and ME2 would never say or do. So that must mean he's indoctrinated right? From the very start of ME3 my Shepard already was full-blown indoctrinated.

[Hrothdane]

plfranke wrote...

I have a feeling that Omega will be like an "anti catalyst" or some sort. Remember TIM says "I've already acquired what you're after." The crucible can't be a complete trap, because it would feel ridiculous going through the whole game building something you know is a trap. It would kind of ruin replayability I think,

The codex says it was a prothean mining operation, but the codex is written in-universe and has been wrong before (see Citadel and Sovereign entries). What if Omega is the Crucible that the protheans were building?

Also, if the key to defeating the Reapers is at Omega, that would mean that the Reaper invasion began at the Alpha Relay and ended at the Omega Relay

[munnellyladt]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Guys I'm convinced. After replaying ME3 I'm now 100% certain that my Shepard was indoctrinated in ME3. To read more details, check this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13794236

Do you like the idea of becoming half husk?

If it gives me those awesome blue glowing eyes? Hell yes!

Fair enough.....