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[ZerebusPrime]

Can we agree that I'm not a troll?  Have I earned that yet?  I sure hope I have.
So let me say this: if the Indoctrination Theory is wrong...
...then there's a lot of bad writing.
I would much rather have IT be right, by intent or retcon.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

I've seen Heretic_Hanar actually attempt to discuss things in a reasonable manner before.

I'm going to do the paragon thing and give him a chance.

I'm back for now, what's going on?

6 days remaining!

[The Heretic of Time]

Everyone who comes to the IT thread yet doesn't believe in the IT is a troll according to some folks here.


not believing in IT = troll

Or sometimes they like to call you "literalist" or tell you that you're indoctrinated.



I won't stand for that. Even though I clearly see now that my Shepard is being indoctrinated from the start of ME3, I won't call other people who rather think ME3 is just badly written "literalists", not will I accuse other people of being indoctrinated. The only person being indoctrinated here is my pro-human pro-Cerberus renegade Shepard. Somehow the Reapers managed to turn him into a dumb pseudo-paragon moronic alien-loving douchebag.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Hrothdane wrote...

I've seen Heretic_Hanar actually attempt to discuss things in a reasonable manner before.

I'm going to do the paragon thing and give him a chance.

Can we be renegades instead and just shoot this obvious troll in the face?  

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 23 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[The Heretic of Time]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

I've seen Heretic_Hanar actually attempt to discuss things in a reasonable manner before.

I'm going to do the paragon thing and give him a chance.

Can we be renegades instead and just shoot this obvious troll in the face?

No, that would be dumb and totally not renegade-like. Renegades are actually smart and don't do dumb ****.

[Jere85]

bad trolls are bad

Anyways hows it going guys?

[BansheeOwnage]

prettz wrote...

something to entertain you as we look for something to speculate


oh and um... violence is bad^_^

That's halarious! I've never seen that Anderson scene bofore! Anyway, I think I'll just come back later.

Edit: Maybe I'll stay for a bit; a couple of nice people just showed up.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 août 2012 - 12:38 .

[jgibson14352]

my shep wasnt allowed to kill infants in any of the ME games, thats all hes ever wanted to do ever.......bad writing...

does anybody know what time DLC hits the market place on xbox? i used to think 3 am but that never turned out true. im getting up early, figure if its out by 5 am i can start a background download before i leave

Modifié par jgibson14352, 23 août 2012 - 12:41 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Try to forgive them, Hanar Who Fails to Worship The Enkindlers By Accepted Standards.  The longer a topic exists, the more clique-like its audience becomes.  And the longer a clique exists, the more resistent its members become to outsiders.  They have (momentarily) forgotten one of the core principles of the IT threads.

These threads have benefitted greatly from those who would challenge the reasoning behind the Indoctrination Theory.  Skepticism weeds out the weak evidence and the weak arguments.  The I.T. NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED.

Trouble is, there's been a rash of idjiots who ignore counter arguments and appeals to logic.  Deal with enough of those and anyone can be turned cranky.

[BansheeOwnage]

jgibson14352 wrote...

my shep wasnt allowed to kill infants in any of the ME games, thats all hes ever wanted to do ever.......bad writing...

does anybody know what time DLC hits the market place on xbox? i used to think 3 am but that never turned out true. im getting up early, figure if its out by 5 am i can start a background download before i leave

I think it's 2 PST. I don't know though. Also, you made me actually laugh outloud there.  In short, there are some parts of Shepard's character that we don't have control of. A lot of people seem to forget that.

[jgibson14352]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Try to forgive them, Hanar Who Fails to Worship The Enkindlers By Accepted Standards.  The longer a topic exists, the more clique-like its audience becomes.  And the longer a clique exists, the more resistent its members become to outsiders.  They have (momentarily) forgotten one of the core principles of the IT threads.

These threads have benefitted greatly from those who would challenge the reasoning behind the Indoctrination Theory.  Skepticism weeds out the weak evidence and the weak arguments.  The I.T. NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED.

Trouble is, there's been a rash of idjiots who ignore counter arguments and appeals to logic.  Deal with enough of those and anyone can be turned cranky.

it is challenged, regularly by people like hagar, epyon, and some other randoms, and even new trolls temporarily. its the old, proven trolls that just need to stop being fed

Modifié par jgibson14352, 23 août 2012 - 12:48 .

[Hrothdane]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Try to forgive them, Hanar Who Fails to Worship The Enkindlers By Accepted Standards.  The longer a topic exists, the more clique-like its audience becomes.  And the longer a clique exists, the more resistent its members become to outsiders.  They have (momentarily) forgotten one of the core principles of the IT threads.

These threads have benefitted greatly from those who would challenge the reasoning behind the Indoctrination Theory.  Skepticism weeds out the weak evidence and the weak arguments.  The I.T. NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED.

Trouble is, there's been a rash of idjiots who ignore counter arguments and appeals to logic.  Deal with enough of those and anyone can be turned cranky.

Pretty much this.

If I can't accept the possibility that someone can change their mind, then what is the point of trying to convince them of anything?

[ZerebusPrime]

jgibson14352 wrote...

does anybody know what time DLC hits the market place on xbox? i used to think 3 am but that never turned out true. im getting up early, figure if its out by 5 am i can start a background download before i leave

It's variable.  You might see it at 5 AM EST, you might not.  The only thing for sure is that it's being released on the 28th.

[GethPrimeMKII]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Try to forgive them, Hanar Who Fails to Worship The Enkindlers By Accepted Standards.  The longer a topic exists, the more clique-like its audience becomes.  And the longer a clique exists, the more resistent its members become to outsiders.  They have (momentarily) forgotten one of the core principles of the IT threads.

These threads have benefitted greatly from those who would challenge the reasoning behind the Indoctrination Theory.  Skepticism weeds out the weak evidence and the weak arguments.  The I.T. NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED.

Trouble is, there's been a rash of idjiots who ignore counter arguments and appeals to logic.  Deal with enough of those and anyone can be turned cranky.

Heretic_Hanar happens to be one of those idiots. 

[ZerebusPrime]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Heretic_Hanar happens to be one of those idiots. 

All those replies and yet you're the first one to pick up on the subtle part. 

Idjiots can sometimes be made allies, though.

[jgibson14352]

you realize hes not even here anymore and hes still trolling us. lets get back on topic.

does the beam turn off in all the endings or just destroy?

[GethPrimeMKII]

I think it does turn off. I'm not sure.

[The Heretic of Time]

You know, f*ck you guys. I don't even want to be part of the IT crew anymore. You guys are a bunch of douchebags. F*ck you all, I'm gonna chill with the TIM crew, they're a lot more friendly than you douchebags are.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 23 août 2012 - 12:58 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

If IT is true, then I consider Shepard to be suffering from Indoctrination since at least the final battle in the Collector Base, possibly Arrival.  From the reactions we get from squadmates, that protoreaper was definitely giving off an ominous vibe/signal (and I believe another poster her pointed out that there's a spot with many cigarettes on the floor where the protoreaper hangs in Cerberus HQ, indicating that the Illusive Man spent a lot of time in close proximity to that monster during the last six months while trying to find a way to subvert the Reapers).

I do not personally believe that vent boy is real any of the times we see him; I believe that Shepard is already experiencing hallucinations in the opening moments of the game.  James walks in, Shepard stops looking at the imaginary garden.  Anderson walks in, Shepard stops talking to empty ventilation ducts.  Etc.  Having other people around helps Shepard to reground himself in reality, but the damage is already there and is progressing.

I thought it was already established in IT that Shepard's time around Reaper objects (begining in Mass Effect) led to the gradual Indoctrination that climaxed in Arrival. 

I like your speculation on how people help ground Shepard to reality but there was some good banter previously on how Hackett's transmission leading you to Mars was a Reaper trick, quite hilarious actually when you watch the scene with that perspective, as Ashley and Vega's lines and actions could fit well with that theory. But you see, if that is true then James and Ashley's prescence do nothing, not even being aboard the old home, Normandy, help that. 
(Help ground Shepard to reality that is)

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 23 août 2012 - 01:05 .