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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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So if the wave is channeled through the relays, and it starts in the Viper Nebula where Arrival took place...what relay is it coming from? Of all the star clusters to "accidentally" make the energy wave start at, Bioware just happened to pick the one we know is lacking a relay.

I think this gives further credence to the idea that the Alpha Relay has some special significance. We never did find out exactly why the Reapers chose THAT relay as their entry point to the galaxy. I'm betting the reveal will bring up a connection to the Omega-4 Relay, the other relay that has a specific connection to the Reapers.

Speaking of which, did we ever get an explanation as to why the Omega-4 Relay has different colored energy?

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Hrothdane wrote...

So if the wave is channeled through the relays, and it starts in the Viper Nebula where Arrival took place...what relay is it coming from? Of all the star clusters to "accidentally" make the energy wave start at, Bioware just happened to pick the one we know is lacking a relay.

I think this gives further credence to the idea that the Alpha Relay has some special significance. We never did find out exactly why the Reapers chose THAT relay as their entry point to the galaxy. I'm betting the reveal will bring up a connection to the Omega-4 Relay, the other relay that has a specific connection to the Reapers.

Speaking of which, did we ever get an explanation as to why the Omega-4 Relay has different colored energy?


Omega is the last letter in the greek alphabet. It means "the end." And it is a bright and shiny red, that Omega-4 relay.

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Gallifreya wrote...

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Banshee, what are you referring to when you post that screencap of the red splosions? Just the fact that the chain reaction starts in the wrong place, or did I miss something else? I've missed a lot, so I'm just not sure. =)

Yes, exactly right. I suppose I can be a bit vague sometimes. :/ Anyway, yeah it's a clip that is all of maybe 10 seconds, and is obviously wrong to the point of everyone knowing about it, yet they didn't fix it in EC. Only reason I can think of for this is it is symbolic and doesn't need "fixing" = IT. Just like everyone knew about the "Admiral Anderson" thing and that wasn't fixed. Still, I just can't get over the fact that it starts where the indoctrination most likely started, and resembles Shepards brain either clearing indoc, or getting overcome by it.


That's what I thought you were referencing. I really like that theory, because if you've seen images of the universe, it looks incredibly similar to a human brain cell.

Have a look at this image. I think BioWare wants us to connect the dots.......literally.

EDIT: Ugh, it will not link. xP Just search "universe looks like a brain cell." I mean, if don't you already know what that looks like. You probably do. =3

Haha you mean Galaxy looks like a brain cell? :P

Anyways, just doing my playthrough on Mass Effect and I noticed right after you wake up on the Normandy after Eden Prime, as you are describing your dream there are voices in the background (voices that obviously aren't Shepard's). Personally I believe that it is too early in the story for him to be experiencing Indoctrination, I think we can conclude the Prothean Beacons do not Indoctrinate, even though they do hum! Seeing as how Shepard didn't experience the soundwave pulsating from Sovereign nor was s/he in the direct presence of the Reaper, I think its just an interesting tidbit that s/he is already hearing voices. If only there were more scenes like that, outside of the dream sequences in ME3.

Anyways, speculate! I'm washing my clothes and need some interesting IT chatter to keep me up :D

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OFF-TOPIC MADNESS Posted Image

Those action figures BioWare Store sells look totally unlike the in-game models, especially the human ones but aliens too. Guess that's the problem with most action figures of game characters. 3D computer graphics are just too complex to be accurately reproduced as physical models. Or they simply don't use high-end manufacturing processes to not increase the prices of the figures. Still some of them look really cool.

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Gallifreya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

Banshee, what are you referring to when you post that screencap of the red splosions? Just the fact that the chain reaction starts in the wrong place, or did I miss something else? I've missed a lot, so I'm just not sure. =)

Yes, exactly right. I suppose I can be a bit vague sometimes. :/ Anyway, yeah it's a clip that is all of maybe 10 seconds, and is obviously wrong to the point of everyone knowing about it, yet they didn't fix it in EC. Only reason I can think of for this is it is symbolic and doesn't need "fixing" = IT. Just like everyone knew about the "Admiral Anderson" thing and that wasn't fixed. Still, I just can't get over the fact that it starts where the indoctrination most likely started, and resembles Shepards brain either clearing indoc, or getting overcome by it.


That's what I thought you were referencing. I really like that theory, because if you've seen images of the universe, it looks incredibly similar to a human brain cell.

Have a look at this image. I think BioWare wants us to connect the dots.......literally.

EDIT: Ugh, it will not link. xP Just search "universe looks like a brain cell." I mean, if don't you already know what that looks like. You probably do. =3


This one? ^_^

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Edit: Found a bigger one. Bigger the better, right?

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Hrothdane wrote...

So if the wave is channeled through the relays, and it starts in the Viper Nebula where Arrival took place...what relay is it coming from? Of all the star clusters to "accidentally" make the energy wave start at, Bioware just happened to pick the one we know is lacking a relay.

I think this gives further credence to the idea that the Alpha Relay has some special significance. We never did find out exactly why the Reapers chose THAT relay as their entry point to the galaxy. I'm betting the reveal will bring up a connection to the Omega-4 Relay, the other relay that has a specific connection to the Reapers.

Speaking of which, did we ever get an explanation as to why the Omega-4 Relay has different colored energy?

I always figured it was red because it was a "closed" relay but upon further research it would seem closed relays need activation to transport ships. The Omega 4 relay has seen traffic of all kind from many cycles, to and fro.

I never understood why that cinematic was never "fixed" in the EC, it was obviously well known before EC hit. But, I happen to be along the lines of thinking that the images seen (including slideshow epilogue) are just images of hope from Shepard's mind, so, who knows?


^^^Ahh, I have seen that before, but as we know- within Mass Effect lore the civilizations of the galaxy cannot travel to another galaxy. The universe (as seen in your picture comparison) is made up of multiple galaxies. Even the Reapers have not been shown able to visit other galactic civilizations, they, like us, are confined to the beautiful Milky Way. They just reside in the space in-between galaxies, dark space, while resting after saving organics from synthetics :P

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Gallifreya wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

So if the wave is channeled through the relays, and it starts in the Viper Nebula where Arrival took place...what relay is it coming from? Of all the star clusters to "accidentally" make the energy wave start at, Bioware just happened to pick the one we know is lacking a relay.

I think this gives further credence to the idea that the Alpha Relay has some special significance. We never did find out exactly why the Reapers chose THAT relay as their entry point to the galaxy. I'm betting the reveal will bring up a connection to the Omega-4 Relay, the other relay that has a specific connection to the Reapers.

Speaking of which, did we ever get an explanation as to why the Omega-4 Relay has different colored energy?


Omega is the last letter in the greek alphabet. It means "the end." And it is a bright and shiny red, that Omega-4 relay.


I actually took a summer class on ancient greek. Forgot most of it and lost the book, but I do remember that much.

"The Alpha and the Omega" is a well-used phrase as well. Literally, "the beginning and the end," it means that the subject it refers to is the entirety or the essence of the object.

As for the Omega-4 Relay, what does that bright shiny red mean!? Why is it the only relay that isn't control-the-Reapers blue?

As a side note, it's probably nothing, but the number 4 is considered very unlucky in japanese, even to the same level western culture ascribes to 13. This superstition arises from the fact that the characters for 4 and death are both pronounced the same (shi).

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Haha you mean Galaxy looks like a brain cell? :P

Anyways, just doing my playthrough on Mass Effect and I noticed right after you wake up on the Normandy after Eden Prime, as you are describing your dream there are voices in the background (voices that obviously aren't Shepard's). Personally I believe that it is too early in the story for him to be experiencing Indoctrination, I think we can conclude the Prothean Beacons do not Indoctrinate, even though they do hum! Seeing as how Shepard didn't experience the soundwave pulsating from Sovereign nor was s/he in the direct presence of the Reaper, I think its just an interesting tidbit that s/he is already hearing voices. If only there were more scenes like that, outside of the dream sequences in ME3.

Anyways, speculate! I'm washing my clothes and need some interesting IT chatter to keep me up :D


Actually, I meant the universe. Unless that famous side-by-side comparison is labeled wrong. What I was saying, is that when the red Crucible energy is spiderwebbing out into the galaxy in ME3, it looks a lot like the side-by-side comparison of a real life brain cell and the real universe. Just the energy, though. It looks like to me, that BioWare just took that idea and ran with it in a galaxy sized scope, instead of universal scope.

Also, I noticed that as well. I too came to the conclusion that it was neat, but probably not intentional that early on, as Karpyshyn had other plans for how things were going to end at the time ME1 was made.

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Gwyphon wrote...
This one? ^_^
*snip*

Edit: Found a bigger one. Bigger the better, right?


YES!!! That one. Thank you! =D

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Gallifreya wrote...
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Actually, I meant the universe. Unless that famous side-by-side comparison is labeled wrong. What I was saying, is that when the red Crucible energy is spiderwebbing out into the galaxy in ME3, it looks a lot like the side-by-side comparison of a real life brain cell and the real universe. Just the energy, though. It looks like to me, that BioWare just took that idea and ran with it in a galaxy sized scope, instead of universal scope.

Also, I noticed that as well. I too came to the conclusion that it was neat, but probably not intentional that early on, as Karpyshyn had other plans for how things were going to end at the time ME1 was made.

Haha I know, I figured you didnt mean that the galaxy as the universe, per se. I like the comparisons between them, actually, should have a picture up soon that will spark more interest in that :lol:

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When did imageshack start requiring registration?
I thought this was worth a small chuckle, kept me busy while the clothes are drying at the very least =]

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Ugh, bedtime. Tomorrow (er, today) is my day off, so I will be able to (hopefully) finish my dissection/translation of the planet/system/cluster names. Interesting things are happening there...oh my goodness. I think I could write a poem with all the different words and references they snuck in. Maybe I'll do that.

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Cool pictures are cool. If you're ever bored, think about the universe. Think about your place in it, how small Earth is compared to everything, how small our galaxy is compared to everything. About the relays, I think the Alpha could be linked to several other relays or something? Not sure. I'm too tired right now to talk about the Alpha/Omega stuff. Goodnight everyone! Posted Image


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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

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When did imageshack start requiring registration?
I thought this was worth a small chuckle, kept me busy while the clothes are drying at the very least =]


HA! It's funny because it's true.

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Gallifreya wrote...

Ugh, bedtime. Tomorrow (er, today) is my day off, so I will be able to (hopefully) finish my dissection/translation of the planet/system/cluster names. Interesting things are happening there...oh my goodness. I think I could write a poem with all the different words and references they snuck in. Maybe I'll do that.

Looking forward to it! Sleep... time. Posted Image

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I wonder if the Alpha relay could have transported people to different galaxies.... That's something to ponder. OKAY. Bedtime for sure. Goodnight everyone.

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Fare thee well, brethren!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Cool pictures are cool. If you're ever bored, think about the universe. Think about your place in it, how small Earth is compared to everything, how small our galaxy is compared to everything. About the relays, I think the Alpha could be linked to several other relays or something? Not sure. I'm too tired right now to talk about the Alpha/Omega stuff. Goodnight everyone! Posted Image


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Oh, and don't forget how far apart everything is and how improbable (according to today's physics and its applications) it is we get anywhere in the Universe anytime soon. Posted Image

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Silent silence keeps the thread mum.

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A point that I don't think has been raised regarding Anderson. He follows you yet...
1 - Takes zero shots at the three husketters. Gee, thanks, are you just munching popcorn and sitting against a rock, wondering if Shep even stands a chance? And remember, they already had Combat!Anderson programmed in, due to the game's beggining.

2- Thanks for helping Shep to the beam. I mean, you're apparently right behind, but can't be bothered to provide a shoulder for Shep to lean on.

3 - Harby's gone, but hey, why bother informing Coates or anyone else about that fact. I mean, it's only your golden opportunity to get a force up there.

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A little help with Marauder Shields would have been great too.

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Only 5 days I'm excited

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Speaking of brain cell comparisons, someone did a side-by-side comparison of a brain cell and the tree branches of the dream sequences. There were surprising similarities. The tree branches look just like a brain cell.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Speaking of brain cell comparisons, someone did a side-by-side comparison of a brain cell and the tree branches of the dream sequences. There were surprising similarities. The tree branches look just like a brain cell.



They did, all teh way back in Mark I and a few times in II. I'm pretty sure Arian Dynas reposted it in this Mark III thread...don't know where though. Will try google.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Speaking of brain cell comparisons, someone did a side-by-side comparison of a brain cell and the tree branches of the dream sequences. There were surprising similarities. The tree branches look just like a brain cell.



They did, all teh way back in Mark I and a few times in II. I'm pretty sure Arian Dynas reposted it in this Mark III thread...don't know where though. Will try google.


I remember reading this analogy for the first time here.
(Though it might not be the first time someone came up with it)

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