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[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

 Hey everyone! Just wanted to post a reminder to look out for Choose Wisely Episode 1, which will finally be coming out tomorrow. 



Link to the trailer

Description:

Thousands of hours of collective speculation and dozens of hours of filming and editing come together to provide exposition into the themes of the Mass Effect trilogy. In these upcoming videos, we will walk the viewer through these themes, ask thought-provoking questions, and arm them with the knowledge they need to Choose Wisely.

Features:
30 minutes in length, and fully narrated.
A great soundtrack, including 2 tracks by Jack Wall for those of us that miss his work from ME1 and 2.
Several topics and tidbits that have never been discussed in the IT thread before.

Cool. What time is the premiere? I have to check if I've got enough popcorn and Coke.

I will aim to have it posted at 6PM CST, though I cant guarantee that. If there are any last minute fixes or changes I need to make, those will take priority. All I can guarantee is that it will be tomorrow. :happy:

[TheConstantOne]

HellishFiend wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So, I've been thinking about what the Reapers are looking for in London since they are up to something there since before the Thessia mission and I have had an idea.

The trinket that the asari Consort gives Shepard is indicative that the Protheans were studying Cro-Magnon people. This group of early humans did wander around in the European area. What if the Reapers found the Prothean notes on our ancestors and stopped by Earth to do some kind of experiment? Either by 1) hiding some Reaper device or 2) some kind of genetic tampering? Perhaps both?

I suggest this because the Reapers may have found that the most descendents from this experiment are located in London. This would mean that harvesting the population there might take on a higher priority, though what their overall intention is remains a mystery.

Any thoughts on this?

Turbo and I have some thoughts on this, and they should be in an upcoming CW episode. 

Let's just say that we think there is a lot more of a connection between the Humans and the Asari than we have been led to believe. 

I've been looking forward to those episodes.  An asari-human link, you say?  Now, that's evidence I would really like to see.

I am fairly confident now that the Reapers' London objective is absolutely crucial to make full sense of the ending.  That declaration goes for both literal and IT interpretations... the "London Plot" is the biggest thing Reaper plan that we know of and yet know next to nothing about

[jgibson14352]

ice-vision wrote...
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thats a really good idea, but it cant be plausible because those are all optional. you can beat the game with the "best" endings without touching those

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...
What exactly is "Choose wisely?" Is it some kinda film about the IT? 

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to write this. I'm Estebanus' sister. He's allowed me to use his account while he works on his essay and other work, so please be considerate if I decide to ask questions.

Heya!  The best description I can provide is the one in the description of the trailer:


"...an exposition into the themes of the Mass Effect trilogy. In these upcoming videos, we will walk the viewer through these themes, ask thought provoking questions, and arm them with the knowledge they need to Choose Wisely."

Basically, it will be covering the actual themes of the trilogy, and how they point to which decision we should make at the end, rather than focusing on "tangible" or "hard evidence" clues (though those will make an appearance from time to time if they wind up being part of a theme). 

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...
What exactly is "Choose wisely?" Is it some kinda film about the IT? 

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to write this. I'm Estebanus' sister. He's allowed me to use his account while he works on his essay and other work, so please be considerate if I decide to ask questions.

Heya!  The best description I can provide is the one in the description of the trailer:


"...an exposition into the themes of the Mass Effect trilogy. In these upcoming videos, we will walk the viewer through these themes, ask thought provoking questions, and arm them with the knowledge they need to Choose Wisely."

Basically, it will be covering the actual themes of the trilogy, and how they point to which decision we should make at the end, rather than focusing on "tangible" or "hard evidence" clues (though those will make an appearance from time to time if they wind up being part of a theme). 

Ah. Thanks!

[TheConstantOne]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...
What exactly is "Choose wisely?" Is it some kinda film about the IT? 

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to write this. I'm Estebanus' sister. He's allowed me to use his account while he works on his essay and other work, so please be considerate if I decide to ask questions.

Heya!  The best description I can provide is the one in the description of the trailer:


"...an exposition into the themes of the Mass Effect trilogy. In these upcoming videos, we will walk the viewer through these themes, ask thought provoking questions, and arm them with the knowledge they need to Choose Wisely."

Basically, it will be covering the actual themes of the trilogy, and how they point to which decision we should make at the end, rather than focusing on "tangible" or "hard evidence" clues (though those will make an appearance from time to time if they wind up being part of a theme). 

I appreciate that kind of presentation in plot analyses.  Hard evidence is certainly nice and useful (as a scientist that's basically what I've been trained to work with) but a thematic background and working completely within the confines of a story always struck me as more a compelling argument for events in-plot as opposed to game coding or real world influences/intentions

Yet another reason for me to check out that documentary

[ice-vision]

jgibson14352 wrote...
thats a really good idea, but it cant be plausible because those are all optional. you can beat the game with the "best" endings without touching those

True, but then it would probably be tied into the EMS system, if you never got all those components, once we snap out of the final indoctrination attempt (if I.T. is confirmed), Shepard only needs to be conscious to integrate with the Optics system, upon activating the Crucible will basically have it backfire on them, the Citadel, the Earth and possibly the system/s.

If you managed to claim all the Crucible Assets, then the Crucible will work as intended and allow the fleets to destroy the Reapers conventionally.

[HellishFiend]

TheConstantOne wrote...


I appreciate that kind of presentation in plot analyses.  Hard evidence is certainly nice and useful (as a scientist that's basically what I've been trained to work with) but a thematic background and working completely within the confines of a story always struck me as more a compelling argument for events in-plot as opposed to game coding or real world influences/intentions

Yet another reason for me to check out that documentary

I agree completely. The only times we step out of the story in this series will be for "author intent" purposes, which is important for some of the themes we'll be covering. 

For something like the Indoctrination Theory, I think that the themes are far more applicable as evidence rather than the "hard evidence" clues. And I think a video presentation is the best way to get that point across. 

I should also emphasize that TurboJ has been vital to the production of these videos. I could even go so far as to say that the activity in this thread has been a big part of it, too. That's why I label the series an "Indoctrination Theory Production", to imply that it is something we can all be proud of as a community. 

[Xamufam]

Ithurael wrote...

@Troxa: The first doc was nice and seemed the most objective of the two (soon to be three) documentaries.

However, this vid, you can see him convince himself that IT is real...then start to doubt...then crack...then get p*ssed

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwSKdB1wWZA&feature=share&list=UUDWRGUs_jy1nESYT-BlnP8A

I can understand why he get pissed, He could not make sense of the things bioware wanted & neither can I.
The ec should have answered most question we had but now we have to pay for some of them.
Meaning we bought an incomplete game are you not pissed about that?

I can understand if it's sidestorys but information that should have been in the game no way am i paying for that.

Modifié par Troxa, 23 août 2012 - 07:44 .

[Ithurael]

Troxa wrote...


I can understand why he get pissed, He could not make sense of the things bioware wanted & neither can I.
The ec should have answered most question we had but now we have to pay for some of them.
Meaning we bought an incomplete game are you not pissed about that?

I can understand if it's sidestorys but information that should have been in the game no way am i paying for that.

Presuming that IT Dream theory is true. I will have to admit I am one of the crowed that believes in the "bad writing" theory 98% of the game before the beam rush was beautiful, then it all gets a bit weird.

IDK. I think ME3 is over all that is left is pre ending DLC that may expand the catalyst scene. IT Dream requires that there is a DLC that Adds onto the ending - not really expand on it. And as for ME4 continuing after the breath scene, I think that may just p*ss off everyone as that means we did - in fact - but a game with no ending.

[Hrothdane]

Ithurael wrote...

Troxa wrote...


I can understand why he get pissed, He could not make sense of the things bioware wanted & neither can I.
The ec should have answered most question we had but now we have to pay for some of them.
Meaning we bought an incomplete game are you not pissed about that?

I can understand if it's sidestorys but information that should have been in the game no way am i paying for that.

Presuming that IT Dream theory is true. I will have to admit I am one of the crowed that believes in the "bad writing" theory 98% of the game before the beam rush was beautiful, then it all gets a bit weird.

IDK. I think ME3 is over all that is left is pre ending DLC that may expand the catalyst scene. IT Dream requires that there is a DLC that Adds onto the ending - not really expand on it. And as for ME4 continuing after the breath scene, I think that may just p*ss off everyone as that means we did - in fact - but a game with no ending.

I think we can all agree the Bioware and EA don't let the small fact that they will ****** people off stop them from doing anything.

The fact is, we WILL get more Mass Effect games. The franchise is a guaranteed money maker, and EA needs money more than ever after became the fastest MMO to go to free-to-play ever. If we get a whole new game continuing from the breath scene, I know that I will be happy. I'm still getting my money's worth out of ME3. Structurally, we may not have defeated the Reapers yet, but ME3 would end on the great triumph of defeating their post powerful and fearful weapon (indoctrination) and perhaps their greatest trap (the Crucible, if it was a trap).

I, for one, am not so certain we won't see that post-ending DLC. I'll wait until I see all the DLC myself.

[spotlessvoid]

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Although Hrothdane makes a great point

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 23 août 2012 - 08:10 .

[HellishFiend]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

[Xamufam]

Ithurael wrote...

Troxa wrote...


I can understand why he get pissed, He could not make sense of the things bioware wanted & neither can I.
The ec should have answered most question we had but now we have to pay for some of them.
Meaning we bought an incomplete game are you not pissed about that?

I can understand if it's sidestorys but information that should have been in the game no way am i paying for that.

Presuming that IT Dream theory is true. I will have to admit I am one of the crowed that believes in the "bad writing" theory 98% of the game before the beam rush was beautiful, then it all gets a bit weird.

IDK. I think ME3 is over all that is left is pre ending DLC that may expand the catalyst scene. IT Dream requires that there is a DLC that Adds onto the ending - not really expand on it. And as for ME4 continuing after the breath scene, I think that may just p*ss off everyone as that means we did - in fact - but a game with no ending.

It is bad writing, like these vids explain
TUN: Extended Complaining
TUN: The Elder Scrolls VI - Youtubia 2:50-4:40
but things in the documentaries makes sense

[estebanus]

Troxa wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Troxa wrote...


I can understand why he get pissed, He could not make sense of the things bioware wanted & neither can I.
The ec should have answered most question we had but now we have to pay for some of them.
Meaning we bought an incomplete game are you not pissed about that?

I can understand if it's sidestorys but information that should have been in the game no way am i paying for that.

Presuming that IT Dream theory is true. I will have to admit I am one of the crowed that believes in the "bad writing" theory 98% of the game before the beam rush was beautiful, then it all gets a bit weird.

IDK. I think ME3 is over all that is left is pre ending DLC that may expand the catalyst scene. IT Dream requires that there is a DLC that Adds onto the ending - not really expand on it. And as for ME4 continuing after the breath scene, I think that may just p*ss off everyone as that means we did - in fact - but a game with no ending.

It is bad writing, like these vids explain
TUN: Extended Complaining
TUN: The Elder Scrolls VI - Youtubia 2:50-4:40
but things in the documentaries makes sense

Uhm... What does "The Elder Scrolls VI" have to do with Mass Effect 3?

Modifié par estebanus, 23 août 2012 - 08:19 .

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I don't think Shepard has earned any right to rest (in peace or otherwise). He just lied on the ground and took a breath. That's not what he was meant to do in the war! He didn't finish the job!

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I agree, but I want my Shepard to finish the war with the Reapers. Shepard has every right ti continue to fight the Reapers, and if Shepard lives and the Reapers are still out there. And Trillions of people are dying, and Shepard know that if he/she does not end this once and for all more lives will be lost, and new heros will have to take on the role of stoping the Reapers. I for one want to end Shepard's story the right way, and end the Reapers once and for all, but what I would love to happen, is if the Reapers have a back up plain if they fail. yet it will take place after everyone from ME 1- ME3 is no longer alive, and thus new heros arise, and a new enemy as well.

[ebuchala]

[quote]jgibson14352 wrote...

anybody remember that one war asset for the crucible that was able to map the location of every reaper in the galaxy in real time? what was the point of that? that has to have some connection to how the crucible works, with the current endings it means nothing (like most of the ME series with the endings)[/quote]

Reading the Crucible War Assets alone, i've come up with a theory, if everyone knows this i'm sorry.

The Haptic Optics Array scanned from Canrum, Hydra, Argos Rho.
[quote]The Haptics Optics Array is an experimental computer user interface, Cortical implants allow users to "see" screens projected in front of them. A user's eye movements are tracked, syncing to hand gestures as they sift through data. While disorienting at first, people using the Optics Array report increased efficiency, and the technology has been adapted by several dozen engineers for use on the Crucible.[/quote]Sort of like interfacing with the Geth Consensus, but this time in real-time.

Interferometric Array scanned from Eletania, Hercules, Attican Beta.
[quote]Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.[/quote]This combined with the Haptic Optics above will allow to see every Reaper in every system.

Prothean Data Files scanned from Zion, Utopia, Exodus Cluster.
[quote]These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.[/quote]+
Dark Energy Dissertation obtained from Conrad Verner during Citadel: Medi-Gel Sabotage.
[quote]Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible.[/quote]When activated, Dark Energy is used along with Mass Effect generator to fire something in a faster time than when the Relays propel something.

Javelin Missile Launchers scanned from Watson, Skepsis, Sigurd's Cradle
[quote]Developed by the Alliance, Javelin missiles release dark energy upon impact. This creates devastating space-time disruptions, magnified warp fields that strip away a target's molecular bonds. Even the strongest kinetic barriers will eventually collapse after multiple impacts from these rockets. Alliance R&D commandeered several colony factories, and now produces enough Javelin missile launchers for all dreadnoughts in the allied fleet.[/quote]
Should have enough power to disable a Sovereign-class Reaper's Kinetic barriers.

The Crucible combined with the Citadel is a giant cannon, and Shepard is the Catalyst, someone who has interfaced with Virtual Reality, Vendetta will enable Shepard to integrate using the Haptic Optics Array, target every Reaper using the Interferometric Array, launch Javelin Missiles faster than Mass Relay Travel (using Dark Energy) at any Reapers in any system s/he desires, disabling their Kinetic Barriers allowing the united fleets to destroy the Reapers.

Wikia on Crucible War Assets: http://masseffect.wi...Assets/Crucible 
[/quote]

This is totally awesome!!! I spent the majority of ME3 assuming Shepard was going to be the Catalyst until Vendetta said it was the Citadel. I was quite shocked when he said that because I was convinced it was going to be Shepard.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I don't think Shepard has earned any right to rest (in peace or otherwise). He just lied on the ground and took a breath. That's not what he was meant to do in the war! He didn't finish the job!

I think she did more than enough. If I'd have done what Shepard did, my COs would've probably already promoted me to a general. Not to mention that no matter what, Shepard would be nothing else but a clusterf*ck of broken bones. She would need a lot of time to recover from such serious injuries. I think a new protagonist should end the reaper war.

[Xamufam]

estebanus wrote...

Troxa wrote...


It is bad writing, like these vids explain
TUN: Extended Complaining
TUN: The Elder Scrolls VI - Youtubia 2:50-4:40
but things in the documentaries makes sense

Uhm... What does "The Elder Scrolls VI" have to do with Mass Effect 3?

It explains secondary beliefs in the vid, It's one of the most imprtant things in a story.

Inside it, what [the author] relates is 'true:' it accords with the laws of
that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside.
The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather
art, has failed. You are then out in the Primary World again, looking at
the little abortive Secondary World from the outside.

Modifié par Troxa, 23 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

A new protagonist that late in the game?

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I agree, but I want my Shepard to finish the war with the Reapers. Shepard has every right ti continue to fight the Reapers, and if Shepard lives and the Reapers are still out there. And Trillions of people are dying, and Shepard know that if he/she does not end this once and for all more lives will be lost, and new heros will have to take on the role of stoping the Reapers. I for one want to end Shepard's story the right way, and end the Reapers once and for all, but what I would love to happen, is if the Reapers have a back up plain if they fail. yet it will take place after everyone from ME 1- ME3 is no longer alive, and thus new heros arise, and a new enemy as well.

I mean no disrespect, but what's up with the grammar? Wait... are you the same guy who came up with the idea to combine both the non-IT theories and the IT theories into a new theory?

I still believe that Shepard should get some rest. Promote her to an admiral. Make her do tactical planning. After all, I doubt she'll be able to fight anyway after getting a beam with the power of several nukes shot right at her. She'd probably also suffer from PTSD afterwards. I know I would.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I think she did more than enough. If I'd have done what Shepard did, my COs would've probably already promoted me to a general. Not to mention that no matter what, Shepard would be nothing else but a clusterf*ck of broken bones. She would need a lot of time to recover from such serious injuries. I think a new protagonist should end the reaper war.

I dont really know how well another protagonist for the main games would go over. The series has pretty much always been about Shepard and her relationships with her squad first, and the Reapers second. To me at least. A new protagonist wouldnt really be able to capture that as well, I dont think.

I'd definitely play a game or DLC where you play as Anderson on Earth, leading the resistance. They could incorporate the suicide mission type of mechanics into it. Send the right squad and you get better results, and maybe how well you do could tie into ME3, and either raise or lower how much EMS you'd need to get the best endings of ME3.

But I wouldnt want anyone to replace Shepard's central role in the series.

I dont make games though. For all I know thats a horrible idea.

[estebanus]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.