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[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If me4 starts at the breath scene then that means we have a whole new game with Shep and company. That would make up for everything. Everything!

Not that I find it plausible

Certain things may and will happen regardless of how plausible they seem.  My understanding of what's happening and what is going to happen in the future has changed significantly since the EC came out, and since I was posting regularly in the thread. 

Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I don't think Shepard has earned any right to rest (in peace or otherwise). He just lied on the ground and took a breath. That's not what he was meant to do in the war! He didn't finish the job!

I think she did more than enough. If I'd have done what Shepard did, my COs would've probably already promoted me to a general. Not to mention that no matter what, Shepard would be nothing else but a clusterf*ck of broken bones. She would need a lot of time to recover from such serious injuries. I think a new protagonist should end the reaper war.

But the story is just cut in half without any explanation what actually happens. Shepard was supposed to stop the Reapers and finish the war. There's no reason he shouldn't do it. It just can't be that at a moment in the middle of the story Shepard quits.

[spotlessvoid]

MassEffect has been all about creating your own story out of the Shepard template. A new protagonist wouldn't be me, if that makes any sense

I don't want a new protagonist until this narrative arc is over. Shepard beats the Reapers or dies trying.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I mean no disrespect, but what's up with the grammar? Wait... are you the same guy who came up with the idea to combine both the non-IT theories and the IT theories into a new theory?

Its like estebanus somehow forgot who masster blaster is...

It'd be like asking Arian 'Hey, whats up with the walls of text?'

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.

That would require a massive amount of additional dialogue. Each character would have to have vastly different responses based on their history with Shep, and total lack of any with the noob

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think she did more than enough. If I'd have done what Shepard did, my COs would've probably already promoted me to a general. Not to mention that no matter what, Shepard would be nothing else but a clusterf*ck of broken bones. She would need a lot of time to recover from such serious injuries. I think a new protagonist should end the reaper war.

I dont really know how well another protagonist for the main games would go over. The series has pretty much always been about Shepard and her relationships with her squad first, and the Reapers second. To me at least. A new protagonist wouldnt really be able to capture that as well, I dont think.

I'd definitely play a game or DLC where you play as Anderson on Earth, leading the resistance. They could incorporate the suicide mission type of mechanics into it. Send the right squad and you get better results, and maybe how well you do could tie into ME3, and either raise or lower how much EMS you'd need to get the best endings of ME3.

But I wouldnt want anyone to replace Shepard's central role in the series.

I dont make games though. For all I know thats a horrible idea.

You're the person who came up with the IT, right? Nice to meet you!

Anyway, it just seems to me that reusing the same character again and again would end up decreasing the quality of the character itself and possibly the overall storyline.
And in a sci-fi universe with the potential of Mass Effect, it'd be foolish to limit its view to that of only one character.

[byne]

Estebanus, did you ever finish Rin's path?

[ice-vision]

ebuchala wrote...

This is totally awesome!!! I spent the majority of ME3 assuming Shepard was going to be the Catalyst until Vendetta said it was the Citadel. I was quite shocked when he said that because I was convinced it was going to be Shepard.

Thanks, theoretically though, anyone who has the H.O. implants could link with Vendetta and the Citadel controls to use it, but since Shepards eyes are synthetic, I think he'd probably be able to circumvent this part.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.

That would require a massive amount of additional dialogue. Each character would have to have vastly different responses based on their history with Shep, and total lack of any with the noob

This "noob" you're talking about would not even have the same teammates. The character would have a whole collection of new characters. It would be two vastly different environments. One with the familiar old squad, and one with the new one.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.

That would require a massive amount of additional dialogue. Each character would have to have vastly different responses based on their history with Shep, and total lack of any with the noob

This "noob" you're talking about would not even have the same teammates. The character would have a whole collection of new characters. It would be two vastly different environments. One with the familiar old squad, and one with the new one.

Plus they did it with the DA:O expansion. It wouldnt be that difficult to do with ME.

[ebuchala]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Personally, I think that Lietenant Commander Shepard's story is finished. I don't care if it's gonna be the indoctrination theory or the literal endings, but I just don't think anything should be added on to Shepard herself anymore. Let her finally rest. She's earned it. Let it be someone else who finally defeats the reapers. That is, if there'll be any reapers in Mass Effect 4.

I agree, but I want my Shepard to finish the war with the Reapers. Shepard has every right ti continue to fight the Reapers, and if Shepard lives and the Reapers are still out there. And Trillions of people are dying, and Shepard know that if he/she does not end this once and for all more lives will be lost, and new heros will have to take on the role of stoping the Reapers. I for one want to end Shepard's story the right way, and end the Reapers once and for all, but what I would love to happen, is if the Reapers have a back up plain if they fail. yet it will take place after everyone from ME 1- ME3 is no longer alive, and thus new heros arise, and a new enemy as well.

I think it's possible for Shepard to continue fighting the reapers in ME4 without being the main character of the story. If we get some kind of post-ending DLC to bridge the two after the breath scene where we see the reapers defeated on Earth only, then they could fast forward 30 years or so and put Shepard into Anderson's or Hackett's position. Shepard's story is over but s/he's still in the fight. Then we take on a new commander as our character and defeat the reapers in the rest of the galaxy. Of course, that would mean being able to port our Shepard into ME4 so s/he looks "right."

The Protheans fought the reapers for 150 years, according to Javik, but it hasn't even been a full year in this cycle, has it? Plus, the whole promo for ME3 was take back Earth, not take back the galaxy. I'd love to be in a fight that requires taking down reapers on all the major home worlds/systems even if it means moving the Citadel/Crucible around to do it (not that that's feasible or anything ).

Modifié par ebuchala, 23 août 2012 - 08:43 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Estebanus, did you ever finish Rin's path?

What? I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not estebanus. I'm his sister. Sorry, I probably should have clarified that. I'm not really used to people not knowing who I am before meeting them.

Who is Rin? Is that a character from some kinda game?

[Lokanaiya]

Estebanus, as long as there are Reapers left to fight, Shepard should be there fighting them. It's his/her fight, and they wouldn't leave the fight unfinished.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.

That would require a massive amount of additional dialogue. Each character would have to have vastly different responses based on their history with Shep, and total lack of any with the noob

This "noob" you're talking about would not even have the same teammates. The character would have a whole collection of new characters. It would be two vastly different environments. One with the familiar old squad, and one with the new one.

Plus they did it with the DA:O expansion. It wouldnt be that difficult to do with ME.

That's right! You played a default orlesian warden if you didn't import, right? I seem to recall that working well!

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Estebanus, did you ever finish Rin's path?

What? I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not estebanus. I'm his sister. Sorry, I probably should have clarified that. I'm not really used to people not knowing who I am before meeting them.

Who is Rin? Is that a character from some kinda game?

Oh! I was super confused. It was like Estebanus had lost all his memories or something. I thought he was just screwing with me when you said it was nice to meet me.

Rin is a character from a game, yeah.

Nice to meet you as well!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ebuchala wrote...

Developed by the Alliance, Javelin missiles release dark energy upon impact. This creates devastating space-time disruptions, magnified warp fields that strip away a target's molecular bonds. Even the strongest kinetic barriers will eventually collapse after multiple impacts from these rockets. Alliance R&D commandeered several colony factories, and now produces enough Javelin missile launchers for all dreadnoughts in the allied fleet.

Should have enough power to disable a Sovereign-class Reaper's Kinetic barriers.

The Crucible combined with the Citadel is a giant cannon, and Shepard is the Catalyst, someone who has interfaced with Virtual Reality, Vendetta will enable Shepard to integrate using the Haptic Optics Array, target every Reaper using the Interferometric Array, launch Javelin Missiles faster than Mass Relay Travel (using Dark Energy) at any Reapers in any system s/he desires, disabling their Kinetic Barriers allowing the united fleets to destroy the Reapers.

Hate to burst your buble, but the Javelin missile system is nothing new. The Normandy SR-2 uses Javelin Torpedo Launchers as its primary weapon system and it can be seen in action against the Oculus Drones and the Collector ship (if you did not add the Thanix cannon)

The very idea of mounting Javelins on Dreadnoughts is ineffecient and has probably only been done because they ahd the ressources and expect knife fights. Javelin Torpedoes or oversized Disruptor Torpedoes as it really is are close range slow weapons and the primary target of the GARDIAN system on ships. Therefore they are most useful on Frigates as they are fast and usualy operate close to the enemy.

Launching them at Relay speeds would be impossible as the Relays operate by a two point system where a mass free corridor is created between the two points. Shortly said you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be part of the Corridor system to launch the missiles in that way. Even if you could do that somehow, the drift caused by Relay travel would most likely make the missile miss anyway.

FTL speed is also near impossible for Disruptor Torpedoes as they cause a mass increasing field as part of their payload, the opposite of the mass decreasing field needed for FTL travel.

However there is some good parts to this idea. I always found it odd that that paticular codex entry would be under the Crucible as it seems directed at the fleet...but a system for guiding vast qunatities of missiles and the energy to make them go faster or quickly charge them or similar could have uses.

Firing lets say a thousand Disruptor Torpedoes in a Javelin pattern would have two extreme effects. First of the the massive amount of missiles would completely overwhelm GARDIAN systems, but even more important is the second part of the Javelin system, the Dark Energy Resonance power increase caused by the recise detonations of the missiles. Nornally two missiles are used in such a way, but a system which could coordinate the precisely timed detonation of a thousand missiles at once? The magnified effect would be incredible.

Just my two cents on this.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 23 août 2012 - 08:44 .

[estebanus]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Estebanus, as long as there are Reapers left to fight, Shepard should be there fighting them. It's his/her fight, and they wouldn't leave the fight unfinished.

Shepard is still a soldier. If she were ordered to fight the reapers, then I have no doubts she'd do her duty. However, if her CO told her to take a break, then she'd do it. After all, she's nothing if not a good soldier. That is, unless you pick control, synthesis and refusal, of course.

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A new protagonist that late in the game?

Not late. Early. If they decide to make a new game that continues the reaper war, then I think you should have the liberty to either choose a new character, or continuing with Shepard.

That would require a massive amount of additional dialogue. Each character would have to have vastly different responses based on their history with Shep, and total lack of any with the noob

This "noob" you're talking about would not even have the same teammates. The character would have a whole collection of new characters. It would be two vastly different environments. One with the familiar old squad, and one with the new one.

that would be making two different games, they'd both suffer for it

[CoolioThane]

Hey este's sister, hope your leg gets better

Everyone, when Leviathan finally comes out, will we all stay and speculate even if it doesn't give us much in the way of clues?

[ebuchala]

^^^^Just so you know--that wasn't my idea. Some of these details y'all are discussing are way outta my league. I could never have put together that kind of info into some kind of coherent description %P

ETA: @Raistlin Majare

Modifié par ebuchala, 23 août 2012 - 08:49 .

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Estebanus, as long as there are Reapers left to fight, Shepard should be there fighting them. It's his/her fight, and they wouldn't leave the fight unfinished.

Shepard is still a soldier. If she were ordered to fight the reapers, then I have no doubts she'd do her duty. However, if her CO told her to take a break, then she'd do it. After all, she's nothing if not a good soldier. That is, unless you pick control, synthesis and refusal, of course.

Shepard isnt just a good soldier. Didn't take orders from TIM and has a long history of chosing what is right over just following orders

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Estebanus, as long as there are Reapers left to fight, Shepard should be there fighting them. It's his/her fight, and they wouldn't leave the fight unfinished.

Shepard is still a soldier. If she were ordered to fight the reapers, then I have no doubts she'd do her duty. However, if her CO told her to take a break, then she'd do it. After all, she's nothing if not a good soldier. That is, unless you pick control, synthesis and refusal, of course.

Well, Shepard doesnt exactly always follow orders. She stole the Normandy at the end of ME1 to chase Saren, despite being told not to chase after him.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Estebanus, did you ever finish Rin's path?

What? I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not estebanus. I'm his sister. Sorry, I probably should have clarified that. I'm not really used to people not knowing who I am before meeting them.

Who is Rin? Is that a character from some kinda game?

Oh! I was super confused. It was like Estebanus had lost all his memories or something. I thought he was just screwing with me when you said it was nice to meet me.

Rin is a character from a game, yeah.

Nice to meet you as well!

Looks like everyone missed the memo. Nice to meet you, Estebanus' sister. What's going on right now?

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Estebanus, as long as there are Reapers left to fight, Shepard should be there fighting them. It's his/her fight, and they wouldn't leave the fight unfinished.

Shepard is still a soldier. If she were ordered to fight the reapers, then I have no doubts she'd do her duty. However, if her CO told her to take a break, then she'd do it. After all, she's nothing if not a good soldier. That is, unless you pick control, synthesis and refusal, of course.

Shepard isnt just a good soldier. Didn't take orders from TIM and has a long history of chosing what is right over just following orders

There's a difference between doing what is right and necessary and doing what is unnecessary. Shepard would not be needed after the battle for Earth is finished, and the tables turned. She wouldn't need to be in the thick of battle anymore. As a matter of fact, she may even be of more use as an admiral on a ship.

If she hadn't pursued Saren then the galaxy would've been destroyed. I think cour-martialling would be preferable to that fate.
And when it comes to TIM, Shepard had no loyal bindings to him. It was merely and agreement to finish a job, not an oath of honour. An agreement she ended up keeping loyal to, if you choose so!

Modifié par estebanus, 23 août 2012 - 09:00 .

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

Hey este's sister, hope your leg gets better

Thanks!

[spotlessvoid]

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

Look, I'm all for Shepards story ending, but it hasnt yet

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 23 août 2012 - 09:01 .