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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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CoolioThane wrote...

Hey este's sister, hope your leg gets better :)

Everyone, when Leviathan finally comes out, will we all stay and speculate even if it doesn't give us much in the way of clues?


The spoilers seem to suggest there will be tons to speculate on.

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Come on Leviathan! Poppa needs a new set of clues!

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.


Nah, that can't be right. Are you saying that there never will be another person who can inspire others to enter battle and accomplish the impossible? What about 30 or 40 years down the road when Shepard's a bit too old to be running to hell and back? Or after s/he's dead? No Shepard means there are no other people anywhere in the ME universe at any point in time who can do something similar?

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Come on Leviathan! Poppa needs a new set of clues!

Good thing I'll first be relocated at the start of the fall vacation! I can actually play leviathan on release! YAY!

Modifié par estebanus, 23 août 2012 - 09:05 .


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estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.

I think Shepard would be more moral-boosting on the ground. More like the old roman generals who actually fought battles their soldiers, instead of being an arm chair general. You probably have more insight on that than I do though. Besides, she doesn't know anything about commanding ships.

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ebuchala wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.


Nah, that can't be right. Are you saying that there never will be another person who can inspire others to enter battle and accomplish the impossible? What about 30 or 40 years down the road when Shepard's a bit too old to be running to hell and back? Or after s/he's dead? No Shepard means there are no other people anywhere in the ME universe at any point in time who can do something similar?

Exactly my thoughts. I don't think Shepard is unique. She's just a normal soldier with an incredibly strong mind. I'm sure that there are other people out there that share that ability. It's a big galaxy, after all!^_^

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estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.

I think Shepard would be more moral-boosting on the ground. More like the old roman generals who actually fought battles their soldiers, instead of being an arm chair general. You probably have more insight on that than I do though. Besides, she doesn't know anything about commanding ships.

It's not that hard actually. I used to only command over a few men when I started out as an officer. As you rise in rank, you naturally also get more men assigned to you. I just pretend that these units are nothing but individual squaddies, and I manage to get around that way!

And, not to forget, those roman generals were generals, the army equivalent to what an admiral is in the navy.:)

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.

I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.

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I have not got the foggest idea what is happening with the Indoctrination Theory because I know the events of Indoctrination in ME 3 or ALL wrong but what "StarChild" say by saying the opposite of Shepards actions proves the Indoctination Theory true.

The "Extended Cut" answers nothing.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.

I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.

Well, Shepard is basically the leader of the entire galaxy at the end. Even Hackett takes "orders" from her. You see it throughout the game though. Anyway, I need to go for now, so I'll see you and everyone else later! Posted Image

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


Hate to burst your buble, but the Javelin missile system is nothing new. The Normandy SR-2 uses Javelin Torpedo Launchers as its primary weapon system and it can be seen in action against the Oculus Drones and the Collector ship (if you did not add the Thanix cannon)

The very idea of mounting Javelins on Dreadnoughts is ineffecient and has probably only been done because they ahd the ressources and expect knife fights. Javelin Torpedoes or oversized Disruptor Torpedoes as it really is are close range slow weapons and the primary target of the GARDIAN system on ships. Therefore they are most useful on Frigates as they are fast and usualy operate close to the enemy.

Launching them at Relay speeds would be impossible as the Relays operate by a two point system where a mass free corridor is created between the two points. Shortly said you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be part of the Corridor system to launch the missiles in that way. Even if you could do that somehow, the drift caused by Relay travel would most likely make the missile miss anyway.

FTL speed is also near impossible for Disruptor Torpedoes as they cause a mass increasing field as part of their payload, the opposite of the mass decreasing field needed for FTL travel.

However there is some good parts to this idea. I always found it odd that that paticular codex entry would be under the Crucible as it seems directed at the fleet...but a system for guiding vast qunatities of missiles and the energy to make them go faster or quickly charge them or similar could have uses.

Firing lets say a thousand Disruptor Torpedoes in a Javelin pattern would have two extreme effects. First of the the massive amount of missiles would completely overwhelm GARDIAN systems, but even more important is the second part of the Javelin system, the Dark Energy Resonance power increase caused by the recise detonations of the missiles. Nornally two missiles are used in such a way, but a system which could coordinate the precisely timed detonation of a thousand missiles at once? The magnified effect would be incredible.

Just my two cents on this.


Didn't know the Javelin missiles were already in use. :( I always got the Normandy fully upgraded.

About the drift, as long as we have a real-time map of the galaxy with the I.Array, we could circumvent the drift allowing missed missiles not to collide with Planets and the like.

Wouldn't the corridor the Mass Relay generate act like the barrel of a gun (increasing velocity on exit) ?

What about the Dark Energy propelling the missile through the ME corridor?
Couldn't the D.E surrounding it slightly disrupt the mass-increase phenomenon while in travel?

Thaks for the feedback.
I like your idea on the timed detonation, would make more sense.

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Even Turian Batman doesn't have Sheps level of swag

But of course another bad-ass protagonist is probably inevitable, doesn't mean they should finish Sheps fight. This is a video game space opera.

Anyways Sheps a merc now. Except you don't pay in money you pay in Reaper blood

btw interesting discussion over there ice, raistlin, and ebuchala

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 23 août 2012 - 09:20 .


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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.



I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.


You forget that Anderson is an Admiral, and he was going to use the Normandy as his command post/ ship. Shepard can do the same.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Even Turian Batman doesn't have Sheps level of swag

But of course another bad-ass protagonist is probably inevitable, doesn't mean they should finish Sheps fight. This is a video game space opera.

Anyways Sheps a merc now. Except you don't pay on money you pay in Reaper blood

Well, I'm ore or less saying that Shepard will finish the fight she started, but it'll just be in a way less spectacular manner.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.

I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.

Well, Shepard is basically the leader of the entire galaxy at the end. Even Hackett takes "orders" from her. You see it throughout the game though. Anyway, I need to go for now, so I'll see you and everyone else later! Posted Image

Goodbye!

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I have not got the foggest idea what is happening with the Indoctrination Theory because I know the events of Indoctrination in ME 3 or ALL wrong but what "StarChild" say by saying the opposite of Shepards actions proves the Indoctination Theory true.

The "Extended Cut" answers nothing.


MB he speaks your language-please translate

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Even Turian Batman doesn't have Sheps level of swag

But of course another bad-ass protagonist is probably inevitable, doesn't mean they should finish Sheps fight. This is a video game space opera.

Anyways Sheps a merc now. Except you don't pay in money you pay in Reaper blood

btw interesting discussion over there ice, raistlin, and ebuchala

Shepard a merc? Lol lol lol BioWare better kill him. 

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spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

I have not got the foggest idea what is happening with the Indoctrination Theory because I know the events of Indoctrination in ME 3 or ALL wrong but what "StarChild" say by saying the opposite of Shepards actions proves the Indoctination Theory true.

The "Extended Cut" answers nothing.


MB he speaks your language-please translate


NOt funny, but he is saying that he thinks IT is true, but doesn't know what is happening with IT.

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.



I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.


You forget that Anderson is an Admiral, and he was going to use the Normandy as his command post/ ship. Shepard can do the same.

I guess you're right. This is sci-fi, after all. It just doesn't sit so well with me.

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Even Turian Batman doesn't have Sheps level of swag

But of course another bad-ass protagonist is probably inevitable, doesn't mean they should finish Sheps fight. This is a video game space opera.

Anyways Sheps a merc now. Except you don't pay in money you pay in Reaper blood

btw interesting discussion over there ice, raistlin, and ebuchala

Shepard a merc? Lol lol lol BioWare better kill him. 

Uhm... there a reason you have a control ending support banner despite being an indoctrinationist?

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Even Turian Batman doesn't have Sheps level of swag

But of course another bad-ass protagonist is probably inevitable, doesn't mean they should finish Sheps fight. This is a video game space opera.

Anyways Sheps a merc now. Except you don't pay in money you pay in Reaper blood

btw interesting discussion over there ice, raistlin, and ebuchala

Shepard a merc? Lol lol lol BioWare better kill him. 

Uhm... there a reason you have a control ending support banner despite being an indoctrinationist?


Ya that's Paxxton, and ya he does, but likes IT.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Disagree esebanississer

Shepard kicking butt is always the best option. Shepards ability to inspire those who enter battle with him to accomplish the impossible is irreplaceable.

That's why I think she'd be of more use as an admiral on a dreadnought. She could enhance the morale of even more soldiers by leading more of them into battle at the same time.


I think Shepard would rather be on the Normandy, don't you think.

I disagree. as you rise in rank, you don't get to choose what kinda ship you command. You utilize the one you get and learn to live with it.
I'm not navy though, so I can't say for sure if that's true.


The bigger the ship, the bigger the target. The Reapers would not be able to resist taking Shepard out if she was stuck on a dreadnaught with a thoushand crew members. Dreadnaughts are slow to turn and cannot escape in the heat of battle unless it jumps to another location away from the action. The Normandy is fast, nimble, and interstellar communications take care of the entire fleet being able to hear him/her during the final confrontation. I don't think any dreadnaughts have a reaper IFF installed... That also helsp keep the Normandy safe.

I think s/he can do the job of an admiral from the Normandy. There is no reason s/he can't. The Normandy is the best ship in the fleet, in my opnion. Reapers take down dreadnaughts like they're piñatas.

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masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

I have not got the foggest idea what is happening with the Indoctrination Theory because I know the events of Indoctrination in ME 3 or ALL wrong but what "StarChild" say by saying the opposite of Shepards actions proves the Indoctination Theory true.

The "Extended Cut" answers nothing.


MB he speaks your language-please translate


NOt funny, but he is saying that he thinks IT is true, but doesn't know what is happening with IT.


I am saying that I'm unsure onit