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[plfranke]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

It's not all or nothing. Some of the stuff he says is true, but not most of it. Telling half-thruths makes him a much better villain.

[X086573]

who's to say the entire series is shephard's vision after engullfing the eden prime's prothean beacon's information. he could still be sleeping in the med-bay on SR-1.

Shepard: "i saw... i don't know what i saw... death, destruction... nothing's really clear."

[smokingotter1]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

It's not all or nothing. Some of the stuff he says is true, but not most of it. Telling half-thruths makes him a much better villain.

"The best lies are seasoned with a bit of truth"
and salt.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

It's not all or nothing. Some of the stuff he says is true, but not most of it. Telling half-thruths makes him a much better villain.

"The best lies are seasoned with a bit of truth"
and salt.

Exactly. [/Anderson]

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 août 2012 - 12:44 .

[Ambrosine333]

Off topic, but has anyone ever looked at the child hallucination throughout the series (especially at the beginning) and felt like Shepard is seeing him/herself in the child (and that's part of why s/he is so fixated on him)? I know the child represents those who Shepard can't save, but sometimes I wonder if it could be more personal. 

Also, I just wanted to say that I'm extremely relieved to find this thread after wading through all the nonsense out there. Since the day I finished ME3 the logical part of my brain realized the ending was about indoctrination, but ever since the EC especially, any SLIGHT mentioning of  IT can recieve some pretty nasty responses. I was beginning to lose hope. So yes, you guys are awesome.

[spotlessvoid]

Ambrosine-thanks



And do you mean it's Shepard as a child or that he emphasizes with it?

[BansheeOwnage]

Ambrosine333 wrote...

Off topic, but has anyone ever looked at the child hallucination throughout the series (especially at the beginning) and felt like Shepard is seeing him/herself in the child (and that's part of why s/he is so fixated on him)? I know the child represents those who Shepard can't save, but sometimes I wonder if it could be more personal. 

Also, I just wanted to say that I'm extremely relieved to find this thread after wading through all the nonsense out there. Since the day I finished ME3 the logical part of my brain realized the ending was about indoctrination, but ever since the EC especially, any SLIGHT mentioning of  IT can recieve some pretty nasty responses. I was beginning to lose hope. So yes, you guys are awesome.

Thanks! It's disappointing to have seen so many people believe some form of IT before EC, and after, we get insulted even though EC didn't change anything.

Anyway, yes the child is very important to Shepard for some reason. I don't know.

[Ambrosine333]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ambrosine-thanks



And do you mean it's Shepard as a child or that he emphasizes with it?

More that Shepard empathizes with it than it being literally Shepard as a child

[TJBartlemus]

Sup guys!!! Dang school and now that I got a new job I may not be on here as often anymore... =/ It certainly won't stop me from trying to be on BSN though!!! =)

@Ambrosine - The idea is interesting. Seeing as the only child we have seen in the ME universe is the child in the beginning it could make sense that the reapers use the memory of Shepard as a child against him/her. Except for the fact that the child is male. =/

[TJBartlemus]

Oh yeah. For those who have read the WNT I would recommend that you vote on this poll if you haven't already!!!!

http://social.biowar...87/polls/38661/

[spotlessvoid]

Like banshee said-the child is important to Shep for some reason

Definitely couldn't be KidShep though. Shepard would recognize himself and although that wouldn't necessarily sound the alarm in his dreams, it would definitely freaked him out in the vent scene lol

And like TJ said - that would make Femshep post-op

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 24 août 2012 - 01:09 .

[Ambrosine333]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ambrosine333 wrote...

Off topic, but has anyone ever looked at the child hallucination throughout the series (especially at the beginning) and felt like Shepard is seeing him/herself in the child (and that's part of why s/he is so fixated on him)? I know the child represents those who Shepard can't save, but sometimes I wonder if it could be more personal. 

Also, I just wanted to say that I'm extremely relieved to find this thread after wading through all the nonsense out there. Since the day I finished ME3 the logical part of my brain realized the ending was about indoctrination, but ever since the EC especially, any SLIGHT mentioning of  IT can recieve some pretty nasty responses. I was beginning to lose hope. So yes, you guys are awesome.

Thanks! It's disappointing to have seen so many people believe some form of IT before EC, and after, we get insulted even though EC didn't change anything.

Anyway, yes the child is very important to Shepard for some reason. I don't know.

I know right?! The EC didn't change a thing, if anything, it provided even more clues.

[FFZero]

TSA_383 wrote...

So, you know when we were speculating that the crucible is likely a trap, and that someone (or something) was leading us into a trap?



Implications...interesting...

Glyph being a traitor would be rather cool and it makes much more sense than some of the other theories about potential traitors aboard the Normandy. Also, since it’s stated countless times throughout the game that within each cycle there are certain organizations that exist, like the Council and Cerberus, I wonder if each cycle has their equivalent of the Shadow Broker. If so then the Shadow Broker base could simply be another space station/ship left by the Reapers for organics to discover with Glyph is acting as the VI equivalent of the Keepers. It could be how every cycle discovers the Crucible.

Also sorry if this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s late and I’m having another bout of insomnia

[Ambrosine333]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Like banshee said-the child is important to Shep for some reason

Definitely couldn't be KidShep though. Shepard would recognize himself and although that wouldn't necessarily sound the alarm in his dreams, it would definitely freaked him out in the vent scene lol

Yeah, that's why I'm thinking it's more that Shepard relates to the kid, more than literally seeing it as himself (otherwise obviously the kid would look different for each Shepard, and would be female for femShep).

[TJBartlemus]

FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So, you know when we were speculating that the crucible is likely a trap, and that someone (or something) was leading us into a trap?



Implications...interesting...

Glyph being a traitor would be rather cool and it makes much more sense than some of the other theories about potential traitors aboard the Normandy. Also, since it’s stated countless times throughout the game that within each cycle there are certain organizations that exist, like the Council and Cerberus, I wonder if each cycle has their equivalent of the Shadow Broker. If so then the Shadow Broker base could simply be another space station/ship left by the Reapers for organics to discover with Glyph is acting as the VI equivalent of the Keepers. It could be how every cycle discovers the Crucible.

Also sorry if this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s late and I’m having another bout of insomnia

Nah. Makes total sense.  At least to me. 

It does seem strange though. Cerberus seems to have a lot of focus being put on them in ME3. Actually a lot of the main missions either are focused on or end with Cerberus. Grissom, Citadel, Mars, Sur'Kesh, Thessia, etc. 

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ambrosine333 wrote...

Off topic, but has anyone ever looked at the child hallucination throughout the series (especially at the beginning) and felt like Shepard is seeing him/herself in the child (and that's part of why s/he is so fixated on him)? I know the child represents those who Shepard can't save, but sometimes I wonder if it could be more personal. 

Also, I just wanted to say that I'm extremely relieved to find this thread after wading through all the nonsense out there. Since the day I finished ME3 the logical part of my brain realized the ending was about indoctrination, but ever since the EC especially, any SLIGHT mentioning of  IT can recieve some pretty nasty responses. I was beginning to lose hope. So yes, you guys are awesome.

Thanks! It's disappointing to have seen so many people believe some form of IT before EC, and after, we get insulted even though EC didn't change anything.

Anyway, yes the child is very important to Shepard for some reason. I don't know.

some of them left to get away from all of this, and I can't blame them, but I can't get enough of this thread. It's just that we have gotten to know each other since this thread was born. Even though we came on diffrent times on the IT thread's, we eventully managed to meet as one. Let's be honest if it wasn't for the endings, then we would have never meet each other, or gotten to know one another. So this I say it was fate that brought us here together, for this. Everything that we are, and our time is here. Sure we may never know what Bioware was planing, but we will always try to stay in touch, and may stay friends.

Until IT is still here, so will I. It may take some time, but we will previal. What we have done here is amazing, and we went the extar lighter to build a foundation on this thread. i don't know if Bioware is listening, but we ITers don't see ME3's endings as bad writing, and nor do others. Granted we may never know what happened, but you have to realize that we want to move on, and so do you.

If you keep the endings as they are nobody is going to remember ME3, for it's epicness, but for it's endings. I trust, and hope as do many others that you have a plan, but we can only go so far.

All I am trying to say is, is that once IT, WNM, are no more, it's here on out people that hate ME3, people that are trools, and people that just plain don't care about ME, and only play for the action. We ITers, and so many others love the ME story, but you can't make everyone happpy, and I understand, but you need to know that you can't please everyone.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 août 2012 - 01:25 .

[Ambrosine333]

Glyph being a traitor would be rather cool and it makes much more sense than some of the other theories about potential traitors aboard the Normandy. Also, since it’s stated countless times throughout the game that within each cycle there are certain organizations that exist, like the Council and Cerberus, I wonder if each cycle has their equivalent of the Shadow Broker. If so then the Shadow Broker base could simply be another space station/ship left by the Reapers for organics to discover with Glyph is acting as the VI equivalent of the Keepers. It could be how every cycle discovers the Crucible.

Also sorry if this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s late and I’m having another bout of insomnia

Interesting idea about the Shadow Broker and Glyph, I'll never look at Glyph the same way again

[ebuchala]

Ambrosine333 wrote...

Glyph being a traitor would be rather cool and it makes much more sense than some of the other theories about potential traitors aboard the Normandy. Also, since it’s stated countless times throughout the game that within each cycle there are certain organizations that exist, like the Council and Cerberus, I wonder if each cycle has their equivalent of the Shadow Broker. If so then the Shadow Broker base could simply be another space station/ship left by the Reapers for organics to discover with Glyph is acting as the VI equivalent of the Keepers. It could be how every cycle discovers the Crucible.

Also sorry if this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s late and I’m having another bout of insomnia

Interesting idea about the Shadow Broker and Glyph, I'll never look at Glyph the same way again

Someone else brought this up not that long ago on the thread. Around the time everyone was discussing Hackett being indoctrinated and the Mars transmission from Hackett having a reversed image of him so maybe it was a faked transmission. Unfortunately, I don't remember who brought that up or where that part of the discussion is so you'll just have to take my word for it 

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...


It does seem strange though. Cerberus seems to have a lot of focus being put on them in ME3. Actually a lot of the main missions either are focused on or end with Cerberus. Grissom, Citadel, Mars, Sur'Kesh, Thessia, etc. 

ME1: Geth = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME2: Collectors = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME3: Cerberus = indoctrinated by the reapers

We still need to beat the reapers themselves! Oh, and uh, the true enemy of the series is indoctrination. It would make perfect sense to fight it yourself.

[BansheeOwnage]

ebuchala wrote...

Ambrosine333 wrote...

Glyph being a traitor would be rather cool and it makes much more sense than some of the other theories about potential traitors aboard the Normandy. Also, since it’s stated countless times throughout the game that within each cycle there are certain organizations that exist, like the Council and Cerberus, I wonder if each cycle has their equivalent of the Shadow Broker. If so then the Shadow Broker base could simply be another space station/ship left by the Reapers for organics to discover with Glyph is acting as the VI equivalent of the Keepers. It could be how every cycle discovers the Crucible.

Also sorry if this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s late and I’m having another bout of insomnia

Interesting idea about the Shadow Broker and Glyph, I'll never look at Glyph the same way again

Someone else brought this up not that long ago on the thread. Around the time everyone was discussing Hackett being indoctrinated and the Mars transmission from Hackett having a reversed image of him so maybe it was a faked transmission. Unfortunately, I don't remember who brought that up or where that part of the discussion is so you'll just have to take my word for it 

I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.

[TJBartlemus]

YES!!! Recognition for my work!!! Thank you InfiniteTolerance!!!! :happy: (I know it is 13 days old but whatever....)

http://www.clevernoo...re-it-evidence/

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


It does seem strange though. Cerberus seems to have a lot of focus being put on them in ME3. Actually a lot of the main missions either are focused on or end with Cerberus. Grissom, Citadel, Mars, Sur'Kesh, Thessia, etc. 

ME1: Geth heritcs = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME2: Collectors = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME3: Cerberus = indoctrinated by the reapers

We still need to beat the reapers themselves! Oh, and uh, the true enemy of the series is indoctrination. It would make perfect sense to fight it yourself.

Fixed.

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

YES!!! Recognition for my work!!! Thank you InfiniteTolerance!!!! :happy: (I know it is 13 days old but whatever....)

http://www.clevernoo...re-it-evidence/

grats, but do you have the other WNM thread up, or is this the old one. On the top of that, have we ever came to a conclusion, that when Shepard is semi hit by Harbinger, the dream starts there, but later after Shepard passes out do to blood lose on the Citadel, Shepard then wakes ups to an over lay of the Conduit run, and once Shepard picks Destroy, he/she wakes up.

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

YES!!! Recognition for my work!!! Thank you InfiniteTolerance!!!! :happy: (I know it is 13 days old but whatever....)

http://www.clevernoo...re-it-evidence/

grats, but do you have the other WNT thread up, or is this the old one. On the top of that, have we ever came to a conclusion, that when Shepard is semi hit by Harbinger, the dream starts there, but later after Shepard passes out do to blood lose on the Citadel, Shepard then wakes ups to an over lay of the Conduit run, and once Shepard picks Destroy, he/she wakes up.

Fixed for ya. 

The thread is still up. A link to it is actually in my signature if ya look. The link is under "Official Thread".