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[TJBartlemus]

Gotta go...but I will be back later!!!!!

PS. ON TOP!!! 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 24 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[Ambrosine333]

I'd like to see the reapers beaten by tuning the Shepard VI into a virus and infecting them with it.

[plfranke]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

It's not all or nothing. Some of the stuff he says is true, but not most of it. Telling half-thruths makes him a much better villain.

"The best lies are seasoned with a bit of truth"
and salt.

Yes, but you guys aren't basing what you're saying he's telling the truth about off of anything solid. It's like you guys saying glyph is evil, you have no evidence or foreshadowing of that whatsoever. For instance, it's plausible he's not telling you everything you need to know whenever he's saying "There's not enough time" because he's answering everything else. You're basically saying I don't believe him except when it helps my cause.

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Guys I believe refuse will become the IT ending, because if the Crucible really does what it says it will do then all destroy does is continues the cycle. The catalyst says so himself. Organics will create synthetics and then they'll create a catalyst, and bam the cycle continues. Refusal and defeating the Reapers "conventionally" is the only way to truly end the cycle.

Since when did we start listening to him?

You have to believe him to some degree, otherwise we could start calling everything into question and you might as well throw that scene out the window. It's either all or nothing, except for the intentionally vague answers like who is creators are and who created the Crucible, and the sarcastic response to why the Crucible plans weren't destroyed.

It's not all or nothing. Some of the stuff he says is true, but not most of it. Telling half-thruths makes him a much better villain.

"The best lies are seasoned with a bit of truth"
and salt.

Yes, but you guys aren't basing what you're saying he's telling the truth about off of anything solid. It's like you guys saying glyph is evil, you have no evidence or foreshadowing of that whatsoever. For instance, it's plausible he's not telling you everything you need to know whenever he's saying "There's not enough time" because he's answering everything else. You're basically saying I don't believe him except when it helps my cause.

That's not what I'm saying. Some stuff he says is obviously true, some obviously not true. He's trying to manipulate you, regardless of IT, and the best way to lie, is to tell a half-truth. For instance, he implies heavily that you will die in destroy, but you don't.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


It does seem strange though. Cerberus seems to have a lot of focus being put on them in ME3. Actually a lot of the main missions either are focused on or end with Cerberus. Grissom, Citadel, Mars, Sur'Kesh, Thessia, etc. 

ME1: Geth heretics = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME2: Collectors = indoctrinated by the reapers
ME3: Cerberus = indoctrinated by the reapers

We still need to beat the reapers themselves! Oh, and uh, the true enemy of the series is indoctrination. It would make perfect sense to fight it yourself.

Fixed.

Yes, thanks MB.

[BansheeOwnage]

Ambrosine333 wrote...

I'd like to see the reapers beaten by tuning the Shepard VI into a virus and infecting them with it.

Independence day

Edit: I'll be back later. Need to continue my playthrough.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 août 2012 - 01:54 .

[ebuchala]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.

Right--but do you remember who brought up the Glyph/Shadow Broker thing? They were pointing out SB's ship was incredibly old and designed to be hidden so perhaps SB himself was always someone who worked for the Reapers, indoctrinated in the same manner Saren was where he was given some autonomy so he could be functional. Which then leads to Liara being on her way to indoctrination, of course, if not already indoctrinated.

Personally, I doubt this is the case and I really don't see a reason to believe Glyph works for the reapers somehow but it was something that was discussed before on the thread. I can see how someone might add things up and come to that conclusion, I just don't think it's accurate.

[BansheeOwnage]

ebuchala wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.

Right--but do you remember who brought up the Glyph/Shadow Broker thing? They were pointing out SB's ship was incredibly old and designed to be hidden so perhaps SB himself was always someone who worked for the Reapers, indoctrinated in the same manner Saren was where he was given some autonomy so he could be functional. Which then leads to Liara being on her way to indoctrination, of course, if not already indoctrinated.

Personally, I doubt this is the case and I really don't see a reason to believe Glyph works for the reapers somehow but it was something that was discussed before on the thread. I can see how someone might add things up and come to that conclusion, I just don't think it's accurate.

I agree. As for who brought it up, I'm not sure, but I do know a few different people did.

[smokingotter1]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ambrosine333 wrote...

I'd like to see the reapers beaten by tuning the Shepard VI into a virus and infecting them with it.

Independence day

Edit: I'll be back later. Need to continue my playthrough.

Shepard: "Quick, someone get me a Mac computer... and Jeff Goldblum."
Let's hope the reapers use the same OS and love Macs.

[plfranke]

@Banshee
How is destroying all synthetics obviously not true?

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]ebuchala wrote...

[quote]jgibson14352 wrote...

anybody remember that one war asset for the crucible that was able to map the location of every reaper in the galaxy in real time? what was the point of that? that has to have some connection to how the crucible works, with the current endings it means nothing (like most of the ME series with the endings)[/quote]

Reading the Crucible War Assets alone, i've come up with a theory, if everyone knows this i'm sorry.

The Haptic Optics Array scanned from Canrum, Hydra, Argos Rho.
[quote]The Haptics Optics Array is an experimental computer user interface, Cortical implants allow users to "see" screens projected in front of them. A user's eye movements are tracked, syncing to hand gestures as they sift through data. While disorienting at first, people using the Optics Array report increased efficiency, and the technology has been adapted by several dozen engineers for use on the Crucible.[/quote]Sort of like interfacing with the Geth Consensus, but this time in real-time.

Interferometric Array scanned from Eletania, Hercules, Attican Beta.
[quote]Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.[/quote]This combined with the Haptic Optics above will allow to see every Reaper in every system.

Prothean Data Files scanned from Zion, Utopia, Exodus Cluster.
[quote]These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.[/quote]+
Dark Energy Dissertation obtained from Conrad Verner during Citadel: Medi-Gel Sabotage.
[quote]Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible.[/quote]When activated, Dark Energy is used along with Mass Effect generator to fire something in a faster time than when the Relays propel something.

Javelin Missile Launchers scanned from Watson, Skepsis, Sigurd's Cradle
[quote]Developed by the Alliance, Javelin missiles release dark energy upon impact. This creates devastating space-time disruptions, magnified warp fields that strip away a target's molecular bonds. Even the strongest kinetic barriers will eventually collapse after multiple impacts from these rockets. Alliance R&D commandeered several colony factories, and now produces enough Javelin missile launchers for all dreadnoughts in the allied fleet.[/quote]
Should have enough power to disable a Sovereign-class Reaper's Kinetic barriers.

The Crucible combined with the Citadel is a giant cannon, and Shepard is the Catalyst, someone who has interfaced with Virtual Reality, Vendetta will enable Shepard to integrate using the Haptic Optics Array, target every Reaper using the Interferometric Array, launch Javelin Missiles faster than Mass Relay Travel (using Dark Energy) at any Reapers in any system s/he desires, disabling their Kinetic Barriers allowing the united fleets to destroy the Reapers.

Wikia on Crucible War Assets: http://masseffect.wi...Assets/Crucible 
[/quote]

This is totally awesome!!! I spent the majority of ME3 assuming Shepard was going to be the Catalyst until Vendetta said it was the Citadel. I was quite shocked when he said that because I was convinced it was going to be Shepard.

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I know I'm late to the party on this one, but I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT THE CRUCIBLE WILL TURN THE CITADEL INTO A MASSIVE MASS ACCELERATOR CANNON FOR AGES NOW! 

[spotlessvoid]

Somebody speculate or something

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Hey everybody! Been gone for a bit, just started new semester in college, getting my bearings straight. Anything new or earth shattering? Has that new documentary come out yet?

[spotlessvoid]

Hellishfiends Choose Wisely comes out tomorrow

Clevernoobs Documentary is supposedly tomorrow too

[jgibson14352]

please.....this is killing me....the orders to go to mars CAN NOT BE FAKED. its a QEC. point to point with no signal in between, one goes positive, then the other goes negative instantly. the orders dont come from the comm room for the same reason we talked to the illusive man on the collector base. EDI just displayed the signal on some other screen. shepard and hackett talk about the orders later on. if the orders were faked, then EVERY transmission from hackett is faked. which means the one that met you before the jump to earth was a hallucination. that the entire crew of the normandy saw. that then led the allied fleets to earth. that means the real hackett just totes forgot about shepard the entire game.


Glyph is not a spy. he helped liara sort through the data. he didnt find anything. thats like saying a coin sorting machine must be indoctrinated if it finds canadian money in my jar of quarters. the shadow broker may be something continued through cycles, sure, but there is zero proof. and no, the shadow brokers ship couldnt be left by the reapers like the relays and the citadel. that means somebody went to hagalaz (which the codex says some mining companies did), saw the ship flying in the storm by itself totally empty, and said "hey. imma be a galactic creeper there".
and NO, glyph is not an AI just because he went through edi to download something (not even sure that happened, just responding to a post i saw, cant remember who). thats like saying that when i let a program on my computer auto update, it just gained sapience.
just....please...lets move on

Modifié par jgibson14352, 24 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[spotlessvoid]

Seconded.
Plus, If anyone is a candidate for indoctrinated traitor it's Conrad

[Arashi08]

Also agreed, the idea that Hackett is indoctrinated, or that Glyph us a traitorous AI is rather groundless. IT has much better evidence with better in-game lore support than that straw-grasping.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ice-vision wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


Hate to burst your buble, but the Javelin missile system is nothing new. The Normandy SR-2 uses Javelin Torpedo Launchers as its primary weapon system and it can be seen in action against the Oculus Drones and the Collector ship (if you did not add the Thanix cannon)

The very idea of mounting Javelins on Dreadnoughts is ineffecient and has probably only been done because they ahd the ressources and expect knife fights. Javelin Torpedoes or oversized Disruptor Torpedoes as it really is are close range slow weapons and the primary target of the GARDIAN system on ships. Therefore they are most useful on Frigates as they are fast and usualy operate close to the enemy.

Launching them at Relay speeds would be impossible as the Relays operate by a two point system where a mass free corridor is created between the two points. Shortly said you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be part of the Corridor system to launch the missiles in that way. Even if you could do that somehow, the drift caused by Relay travel would most likely make the missile miss anyway.

FTL speed is also near impossible for Disruptor Torpedoes as they cause a mass increasing field as part of their payload, the opposite of the mass decreasing field needed for FTL travel.

However there is some good parts to this idea. I always found it odd that that paticular codex entry would be under the Crucible as it seems directed at the fleet...but a system for guiding vast qunatities of missiles and the energy to make them go faster or quickly charge them or similar could have uses.

Firing lets say a thousand Disruptor Torpedoes in a Javelin pattern would have two extreme effects. First of the the massive amount of missiles would completely overwhelm GARDIAN systems, but even more important is the second part of the Javelin system, the Dark Energy Resonance power increase caused by the recise detonations of the missiles. Nornally two missiles are used in such a way, but a system which could coordinate the precisely timed detonation of a thousand missiles at once? The magnified effect would be incredible.

Just my two cents on this.

Didn't know the Javelin missiles were already in use.  I always got the Normandy fully upgraded.

About the drift, as long as we have a real-time map of the galaxy with the I.Array, we could circumvent the drift allowing missed missiles not to collide with Planets and the like.

Wouldn't the corridor the Mass Relay generate act like the barrel of a gun (increasing velocity on exit) ?

What about the Dark Energy propelling the missile through the ME corridor?
Couldn't the D.E surrounding it slightly disrupt the mass-increase phenomenon while in travel?

Thaks for the feedback.
I like your idea on the timed detonation, would make more sense.

The problem with propeling the missiles through a coridor similar to the ones created by a Mass Relay remains that you need something generating that corridor on both entry and exit. That is why you need two linked Mass Relays to cross the vast distances.

In short you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be the exit generator for the mass free coridor and I doubt a Reaper would willingly become that, if it is even possible.

Also from what we know the drift is not something that can be circumvented with a precise map or such technology. Even the Normandy for all its technology has the same drift as any other ship (from what we know). An example of this drift is actually at the start of ME1 as you jump to Eden Prime. Joker says: "Drift, just under 600K (not sure about the number, but think it was this.)

Now the K is offcourse thousand, meaning the drift in this case was probably 600.000km and that was considered a precise jump by a spectre...

However the Reaper IFF seems to limit drift at leass for the Omega-4 relay as it allows a ship to accurately hit the safe zone near the Collector base

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also from what we know the drift is not something that can be circumvented with a precise map or such technology. Even the Normandy for all its technology has the same drift as any other ship (from what we know). An example of this drift is actually at the start of ME1 as you jump to Eden Prime. Joker says: "Drift, just under 600K (not sure about the number, but think it was this.)

Nope... it's a well known fact that Normandy's drift is actually "**** **** ****!"

[Arashi08]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

ice-vision wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


Hate to burst your buble, but the Javelin missile system is nothing new. The Normandy SR-2 uses Javelin Torpedo Launchers as its primary weapon system and it can be seen in action against the Oculus Drones and the Collector ship (if you did not add the Thanix cannon)

The very idea of mounting Javelins on Dreadnoughts is ineffecient and has probably only been done because they ahd the ressources and expect knife fights. Javelin Torpedoes or oversized Disruptor Torpedoes as it really is are close range slow weapons and the primary target of the GARDIAN system on ships. Therefore they are most useful on Frigates as they are fast and usualy operate close to the enemy.

Launching them at Relay speeds would be impossible as the Relays operate by a two point system where a mass free corridor is created between the two points. Shortly said you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be part of the Corridor system to launch the missiles in that way. Even if you could do that somehow, the drift caused by Relay travel would most likely make the missile miss anyway.

FTL speed is also near impossible for Disruptor Torpedoes as they cause a mass increasing field as part of their payload, the opposite of the mass decreasing field needed for FTL travel.

However there is some good parts to this idea. I always found it odd that that paticular codex entry would be under the Crucible as it seems directed at the fleet...but a system for guiding vast qunatities of missiles and the energy to make them go faster or quickly charge them or similar could have uses.

Firing lets say a thousand Disruptor Torpedoes in a Javelin pattern would have two extreme effects. First of the the massive amount of missiles would completely overwhelm GARDIAN systems, but even more important is the second part of the Javelin system, the Dark Energy Resonance power increase caused by the recise detonations of the missiles. Nornally two missiles are used in such a way, but a system which could coordinate the precisely timed detonation of a thousand missiles at once? The magnified effect would be incredible.

Just my two cents on this.

Didn't know the Javelin missiles were already in use.  I always got the Normandy fully upgraded.

About the drift, as long as we have a real-time map of the galaxy with the I.Array, we could circumvent the drift allowing missed missiles not to collide with Planets and the like.

Wouldn't the corridor the Mass Relay generate act like the barrel of a gun (increasing velocity on exit) ?

What about the Dark Energy propelling the missile through the ME corridor?
Couldn't the D.E surrounding it slightly disrupt the mass-increase phenomenon while in travel?

Thaks for the feedback.
I like your idea on the timed detonation, would make more sense.

The problem with propeling the missiles through a coridor similar to the ones created by a Mass Relay remains that you need something generating that corridor on both entry and exit. That is why you need two linked Mass Relays to cross the vast distances.

In short you would need the Reaper you are targeting to be the exit generator for the mass free coridor and I doubt a Reaper would willingly become that, if it is even possible.

Also from what we know the drift is not something that can be circumvented with a precise map or such technology. Even the Normandy for all its technology has the same drift as any other ship (from what we know). An example of this drift is actually at the start of ME1 as you jump to Eden Prime. Joker says: "Drift, just under 600K (not sure about the number, but think it was this.)

Now the K is offcourse thousand, meaning the drift in this case was probably 600.000km and that was considered a precise jump by a spectre...

However the Reaper IFF seems to limit drift at leass for the Omega-4 relay as it allows a ship to accurately hit the safe zone near the Collector base

The drift is actually just under 1500k; I played ME1 to death trying to make my femshep look halfway decent so that line is practically seared into my brain, as is the part where Nihlus says "1500 is good.  Your captain will be pleased" just in case I missed it when Joker says it the first time lol

Edit:  So...was i 'd or...'d?  or something?

Modifié par Arashi08, 24 août 2012 - 06:26 .

[spotlessvoid]

What's the distance of the safe zone?

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...


The drift is actually just under 1500k; I played ME1 to death trying to make my femshep look halfway decent so that line is practically seared into my brain, as is the part where Nihlus says "1500 is good.  Your captain will be pleased" just in case I missed it when Joker says it the first time lol

Edit:  So...was i 'd or...'d?  or something?

The latter.  

Also, that definitely is not what Nihlus says... and I wouldnt even know how to spell it....

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What's the distance of the safe zone?

The collector base safe zone? No clue.

Though a rule of thumb would be as long as there is debris floating around you, you are not within the gravity pull of a Black Hole

Oh and thanks for the edit, though it says something when a drfit of 1.500.000km is considered good.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 24 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[demersel]

ebuchala wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.

Right--but do you remember who brought up the Glyph/Shadow Broker thing? They were pointing out SB's ship was incredibly old and designed to be hidden so perhaps SB himself was always someone who worked for the Reapers, indoctrinated in the same manner Saren was where he was given some autonomy so he could be functional. Which then leads to Liara being on her way to indoctrination, of course, if not already indoctrinated.

Personally, I doubt this is the case and I really don't see a reason to believe Glyph works for the reapers somehow but it was something that was discussed before on the thread. I can see how someone might add things up and come to that conclusion, I just don't think it's accurate.

It was I, who brought that up. Here's the link to the original topic, and there was some more detailed post on the matter by my in the old thread - it will take ages to find them. 
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11342724

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ebuchala wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.

Right--but do you remember who brought up the Glyph/Shadow Broker thing? They were pointing out SB's ship was incredibly old and designed to be hidden so perhaps SB himself was always someone who worked for the Reapers, indoctrinated in the same manner Saren was where he was given some autonomy so he could be functional. Which then leads to Liara being on her way to indoctrination, of course, if not already indoctrinated.

Personally, I doubt this is the case and I really don't see a reason to believe Glyph works for the reapers somehow but it was something that was discussed before on the thread. I can see how someone might add things up and come to that conclusion, I just don't think it's accurate.

I doubt it, even the slow methodical Indoctrination Saren went through can only be kept going for a few years before the victims brain starts decaying. There would have to be a hell of a lot of Shadow Brokers to keep that up.