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I brought up the Hackett thing, and I maintain it may have been a reaper message, but I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I'll be back in a bit.
Right--but do you remember who brought up the Glyph/Shadow Broker thing? They were pointing out SB's ship was incredibly old and designed to be hidden so perhaps SB himself was always someone who worked for the Reapers, indoctrinated in the same manner Saren was where he was given some autonomy so he could be functional. Which then leads to Liara being on her way to indoctrination, of course, if not already indoctrinated.
Personally, I doubt this is the case and I really don't see a reason to believe Glyph works for the reapers somehow but it was something that was discussed before on the thread. I can see how someone might add things up and come to that conclusion, I just don't think it's accurate.
I doubt it, even the slow methodical Indoctrination Saren went through can only be kept going for a few years before the victims brain starts decaying. There would have to be a hell of a lot of Shadow Brokers to keep that up.
the shodow broker's rig can be indoctrination-safe - like the relays and the citadel. THey to are of reaper build and origin, but they lack the indoctrination capabilities.
That's the logic behind my other theory, that reapers may turn out to be not even sentient.
See, there are things that are reaper-built that do emit (spread) indoctrination, like artifacts. chunks of dead reapers, etc, and then there are things that are build by the reaper-built that don't emit (spread) indoctrination like the relays, the citadel, and possibly the shadow broker ship and Glyph VI.
Now, why is there such diffirence?
I have a theory, it is just a speculation, but i think very fun at that. It has no practical applience to the IT or to the plot of the games, but it does explain reaper origins, and the cycles, and why are they the way they are.
What do we know about reapers for sure? - the cycle of extermination of all ANDVANCED and SENTIENT races in the galaxy is their way of reproduction for sure, it's their way of making new reapers. It's way of having sex and procreating.
Then, they themselves call the cycles a harvest. Ok, they cultivate advanced sentient life, then comes the point at which it is "ready" for harvesting - they come and harvesat it. What to they do with advanced sentient life? they gather all life froms dead or alive, then procces them into liquid goo.
So for some reason one thing we know they 100% need is liquid goo made of advanced sentied races of the galaxy. No other liquid goo is good enough for some reason.
We also know that this liquid goo is their way of consuming the essence of spiecies and all it's collective knowledge. Ok. So they are after our brains.
Now let's get back to the two types of reaper-built things and start the speculation propper.
the most common trait of the thing that do have the power of indoctrination is that they are in most cases reapers themselves, or parts of reaper bodies dead or alive. Being dead or alive has no influence on reaprs ability to indoctrinate. Also we know that indoctrinated being can serve as beacons to indocrinate other beings. in that sense it is much like the spread of some disease, that re-arrenges thought patterns - it makes you think like a reaper. The more the diseases is pronnounced - the less coherent and sentient you are. Final stage is husk. (doesn't matter if it is rapid or slow - in rapid you get a husk righ away in slow you get it in the end - by the end of ME1 Saren was almost a husk).
Reapers can produce other reapers. But they also can make things that the citadel, and relays, that are tools, and don't have the pover of indoctrination.
What other thing we know about the indoctrination? We know , that reapers indoctrinate everything around them wether they need it or not, and whether they are even alive or not. If i'ts not something like the citadel or the relays, which don't indoctrinate.
that gives us the notion, that everything that IS reaper can indoctrinate. In other words Reaper = Indoctrination.
And using math we can say that indoctrinatioin = reaper (given time and quantity of life forms).
If we have one indoctrinated person - "Gee, i need to help the reapers"
If we have say 100 000 000 indoctrinated persons - evetually they would BUILD a reaper.
so we can say that indoctrination ultimately is the procces that re-arranges thought patterns into the notion that it would be nice to build a reaper (and that is inevitable)
And yet we don't actually know how exactly this procces works. What triggers it, or what spreads it. What is the mechanic behind indoctrination?
But we DO HAVE a grip on a similiar concept. Riddle me this - what is alive, can live forever, is extremly old can control other things by a way of procreating? why it is easy - it is a Thorian. Now, i'm not saying that reapers are initially thorians. no. nothing like that. Although the concepts do sound rather similiar, don't you think? Thorian spreads spores. Spores are what the plants (and thorian IS a plant) reproduce with. And yet, what do they do? they get inhaled by sentient beings and then take control of them (direct control if the initial Plant is alive and well). And they start to alter their hosts. But that isn't everything they do. THEY BLOCK REAPER INDOCTRINATION.
Now. So we have a SENTIENT being, a plant, that can control other sentient beings in one corner. and we have Indoctrination in another.
Indoctrination can't impose direct control on the individual, unless there is a Reaper who can take direct control, and the indoctrination must be VERY pronounced to do this.
If we put Thorian against reaper indoctrination (even with a Reaper nearby) - Thorian wins hands down. And his method doesn't affect persons cognitive functions - at least not that we know of (it may, but does it slower).
Indoctrination DOES affect person's cognitive functions. It irreversibly decays them.
(by the way, up until this point i only stated info that IS in games only, i have not even touched books and comics, since i haven't read them - only ingame info)
Now the real speculation starts.
I say that it is perfectly plauseble, and possible, and doesn't contradict the in-game lore, and more over supports it, that reapers are in fact NOT SENTIENT.
they are fungus of some kind. Or something similary simple and primitive. (remember they were there even before life was yet primitive)
in essence reapers are a notion. A concept. It is a concept of unification AND consuming. Giant space ships made of essence of all life in the galaxy is the pinnacle of this notion.
I say that reapers are in truth some type of brain moss - it's just something like the fungus. In fact they are the final stage of evolution of fungus that affects brain funcins (or something like that, what ever the mechanic under the process of indoctrination turns out to be) - it re-arrenges thought patterns into one way, BY consuming a brain. Remember - in real life primitive non-sentient beings are perfectly capable of building of immense and complex structures - like ants and termites.
All their technology comes from assembled work of countless cycles. They can't create something of their own. (they can manufactor it, but can't come up with an idea for it, thus they need the collected knowledge of cycles)
Also the indoctrination evetually destroys it's host, so there is the need to get new hosts.
Reapers, the spaceships can talk and do stuff cause they have collective cognitive power of billions of life forms.
And with time they use it up, like fuel. That's why the need for hibernation). It's not like the geth collective, where each program is independent, reapers are just like huge tankers, or storages of collected organic material, raw feed for the mold that reaarenges this raw material into thought patterns (and those thought patterns are - create more reapers. Because.)
Modifié par demersel, 24 août 2012 - 08:01 .
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