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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage

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byne wrote...

Just finished watching your video, Hellish. Was completely awesome. Adding it to first post then going to sleep. Done. Sleep time now.

Will watch it tomorrow. Tired. Hey Byne. Goodnight Byne.

Edit: I think the top position was just waiting for me Posted Image

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There was some talk about whether or not Coats should be used as evidence. I just want to remind everyone that you don't actually need flycam to see it. You can see his unmistakable head/hair right here.

For whatever that's worth.

Goodnight everyone. Posted Image

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Not going to lie, Choose Wisely - Episode 1 was pretty great. Look forward to future installments. Congrats for everyone involved!

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Watched Choose Wisely last night.
My opinion: CW > Julian's docs
It's much more in-depth and I really like the style of this vid, great job!
Hope to see Ep2 soon ^_^

btw, good morning! *yawn*

Modifié par Norlond, 25 août 2012 - 10:26 .


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I like that Choose Wisely uses actual quotes from ME characters to back many claims. It adds substance to what is presented.

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paxxton wrote...

I like that Choose Wisely uses actual quotes from ME characters to back many claims. It adds substance to what is presented.


That's one reason why I liked Acavyos vid too

*edit* just found this, off-topic but awesome :lol: www.youtube.com/watch

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Norlond wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I like that Choose Wisely uses actual quotes from ME characters to back many claims. It adds substance to what is presented.


That's one reason why I liked Acavyos vid too

*edit* just found this, off-topic but awesome :lol: www.youtube.com/watch

Posted Image Very unusual band. Full of clones. Or should I say people from parallel Universes.

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paxxton wrote...

Norlond wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I like that Choose Wisely uses actual quotes from ME characters to back many claims. It adds substance to what is presented.


That's one reason why I liked Acavyos vid too

*edit* just found this, off-topic but awesome :lol: www.youtube.com/watch

Posted Image Very unusual band. Full of clones. Or should I say people from parallel Universes.


Either that or he has a Thorian friend :blink: ^_^

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Agh where's hellish's vid, i need to see that. I saw Julians and quit after 5 mins.

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I don't understand why Bioware doesn't get it! It's not that difficult to give us a better ending.
If they just use the Indoctrination Theory everything would be allright and they wouldn't have to change anything! Why? 'cause the Theory fits in perfectly!
If you just watch these documentary's, they explain everything there is about it. In the last one the maker of these documentaries even comes up with an ending that could happen after Shepard wakes up and it is a hundred times better then the supposed 'bittersweet' ending we have now!

The Indoctrination Theory Part I:
The Indoctrination Theory Part II:
The Indoctrination Theory Extended Cut DLC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKCkSC-Os4&feature=plcp

If you could just sacrifice a bit of your time, the whole theory will bze made clear to you. It is not that difficult to integrate this idea in the game, and it would give the fans the ending they deserve!

Wake up Shepard!
Wake up BioWare!

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legaldinho wrote...

Agh where's hellish's vid, i need to see that. I saw Julians and quit after 5 mins.


www.youtube.com/watch

Enjoy, in my opinion it's better than Julian's documentaries ^_^

CrusaderIII wrote...
The Indoctrination Theory Part I:
The Indoctrination Theory Part II:
The Indoctrination Theory Extended Cut DLC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKCkSC-Os4&feature=plcp

If
you could just sacrifice a bit of your time, the whole theory will bze
made clear to you. It is not that difficult to integrate this idea in
the game, and it would give the fans the ending they deserve!

Wake up Shepard!
Wake up BioWare!


I watched them all and I didn't see anything that was really new to be honest, Julian just took the evidence that was brought up here and put it up in this vids
But the docs make the IT more popular, I'll give him that much credit :P

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ebuchala wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Hey everyone! Choose Wisely Episode 1 is finally here. I am extremely happy to finally be able to share this with you guys. It's been an interesting 2 months since I released the pilot video for Choose Wisely on the day before the EC, and the landscape for the Indoctrination Theory has changed and evolved in many ways since then. It's been a blast making this video, and I hope you all enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed making it. 

The fact of the matter is, in light of the EC, the themes that will be covered in Choose Wisely are now more relevant than ever. Big things are coming, the first of which will be on this Tuesday. The sooner we get to the bottom of what's really going on, the sooner we can Choose Wisely.

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Choose Wisely - Episode 1

Turbo J's Channel
HellishFiend's Channel

These videos will be posted on both channels, with alternating channels being the "featured" channel for future episodes (meaning, the video will come out on the "featured" channel the day before it comes out on the other channel"), so make sure to subscribe to both of us!

I look forward to sharing many more of these with you in the coming months!


Nicely done--can't wait for the next one!


nice job ... Like it ;)

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Huge thanks to everyone who likes the video!! You guys totally make it worth the time Turbo and I spent on it. =)

I dont plan to do a whole lot of - if any - promoting for the CW series outside this topic, so it's up to you guys if you want to spread the word around or just let it be the IT thread's well-kept secret. Up to you! Either way, I look forward to keeping them coming, and will let you know as soon as we have a timetable for episode 2!

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This is the only way to fixing gigantic plot-holes and lazy mistakes. Extended Cut was nothing but an "extended fail", that's all.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Huge thanks to everyone who likes the video!! You guys totally make it worth the time Turbo and I spent on it. =)

I dont plan to do a whole lot of - if any - promoting for the CW series outside this topic, so it's up to you guys if you want to spread the word around or just let it be the IT thread's well-kept secret. Up to you! Either way, I look forward to keeping them coming, and will let you know as soon as we have a timetable for episode 2!


HellishFiend is credit to thread!

The only problem with more people knowing about your video series is that you'll have more pressure to make more. When it's small you're doing it for the love of it, which is the way I assume you feel towards it now as the quality really shows. 
Regardless I've linked it to my ME friends ;)

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Dam this is a new record. 3 hrs of nothing wasted opportunity. jk good morning everyone.

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merttol wrote...

This is the only way to fixing gigantic plot-holes and lazy mistakes. Extended Cut was nothing but an "extended fail", that's all.


I respectully disagree, the ME3 ending is one of the best video game endings ever, even beating Bioshock. Those who have been here awhile know my reasons.

Edit: morning MB two player victory? What what! :wizard:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 25 août 2012 - 03:10 .


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but he thinks the endings are more than poor writing.

What? Do IT supporters really work their minds this way? Why would you not believe Bioware's statements, yet pretend that they're "secretly intending" a fan-theory? That's just denial. That's it. IT supporters can't accept that it was just poor writing. And the fact that they want a ENTIRE game that finishes the REAL fight against the reapers? Really? What kind of ending to a trilogy is that? Would you have wanted this kind of ending before you experienced the original endings?

The IT is no better than the original endings, they take away player choice, they make the ending choices a "roulette" thing which goes against the rpg of mass effect, and they depend on future content that goes against the ec dlc and developed works.

IT is wrong. It's never going to come. Now I hear of this "con" theory and "dream" theory, well the fact that you have to make different parts of a fan-theory shows how ridiculous it is.

I feel that all IT supporters at this point are still butthurt over the endings and can't accept them. That's okay, the plot really was me2's fault, as it didn't set up anything for me3 (except cerberus). I really feel that one person can play me1, skip me2, and play me3 without any major misunderstandings.

This is from I eat unicorns. Really people good dam it.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 août 2012 - 03:12 .


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www.youtube.com/watch

This totally convinced me IT is true, but the developers do the complete opposite, so how does one reconcile thre fact we will never see shepard wake up?

Only bad thing about IT is the possibiliy that there is no new ending, otherwise its quite well tied together.!

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I'm just curious of people's position here on whether they support Con or Dream now?

Which one is more popular?

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De-lurking for a moment. Just wanted to say, I really enjoyed your video Hellish! Thanks to you and TurboJ for making it. It's really great work! 

On another topic, somethng has been bugging me about one of the Catalyst's (many) bizarre lines.

Has anyone speculated on how the Catalyst can claim to be both the Reaper's creator, and simultaneously the embodyment of their "collective conciousness"? Wouldn't the second claim imply that the reapers continuously create him, as the gestalt sum of their minds - which contradicts the first claim?

Seems a bit "chicken and egg" to me. If he predates the reapers then obviously there wouldn't have been any reapers around to comprise his collective. Does each new reaper he creates get added to him? Wouldn't a new reaper coming online, made of a new species, change him, even just by giving him more raw processing power? Thereby making the name "Catalyst", with its connotations of immutability even more inappropriate?

Sorry if I'm not making much sense, I can't really put what I'm trying to say into words.

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Billyg3453 wrote...

I'm just curious of people's position here on whether they support Con or Dream now?

Which one is more popular?


What do you mean, I am still waking up, so sorry. That I am not sure what you rae talking about.

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masster blaster wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

I'm just curious of people's position here on whether they support Con or Dream now?

Which one is more popular?


What do you mean, I am still waking up, so sorry. That I am not sure what you rae talking about.

I mean do people here mostly support the idea that just the Catalyst isn't real, or that the ending is a dream sequence?

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smokingotter1 wrote...

merttol wrote...

This is the only way to fixing gigantic plot-holes and lazy mistakes. Extended Cut was nothing but an "extended fail", that's all.


I respectully disagree, the ME3 ending is one of the best video game endings ever, even beating Bioshock. Those who have been here awhile know my reasons.

Edit: morning MB two player victory? What what! :wizard:


Because you believe it was an indoctrinated vision? If true, I agree. Although I would love for a post ending DLC to show this OMFG DSALJDFkjflkjL FDGSFIDGEHJABVSHFJKDHSBAJNVFKBDSnjaBV,S Dhjd,f.a

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StElmo wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

merttol wrote...

This is the only way to fixing gigantic plot-holes and lazy mistakes. Extended Cut was nothing but an "extended fail", that's all.


I respectully disagree, the ME3 ending is one of the best video game endings ever, even beating Bioshock. Those who have been here awhile know my reasons.

Edit: morning MB two player victory? What what! :wizard:


Because you believe it was an indoctrinated vision? If true, I agree. Although I would love for a post ending DLC to show this OMFG DSALJDFkjflkjL FDGSFIDGEHJABVSHFJKDHSBAJNVFKBDSnjaBV,S Dhjd,f.a


Have a little faith.