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[Norlond]

Rifneno wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I guess you guys would be pretty vitriolic towards BW if they never confirm IT and actually did mean to make the ending a mess?

I'll be vitriolic as hell if they never confirm or deny.  Either give us a real ending, or tell us to deal with the **** one we've got, as long as they don't just leave it up in the air "were the reapers ever really beaten?"

If they want to make more ME games they HAVE TO confirm or deny it at some point, I'm looking forward to that

*edit* top again, banshee and este won't be amused

Modifié par Norlond, 25 août 2012 - 04:22 .

[masster blaster]

The way I see it, if IT is what Bioware planed, or is planing, the after we defeat the Reapers at Earth, Shepard has a child with his/her love interest, and if your LI is the opposite sex, then you adopt a child, unless you have Liara as your LI.

If your Li is Ash, Jack, Kadin, maybe Jacob if his wife left him, or died, then you can choose your gender, and have the chance to customize you character.

If your LI, was Tranyor Miranda since she can't have children, or Cortez, you adopt a child, and choose Gender, and customize character.

If your LI was Garrus, Tali, and Mordin if lived then we get to see/ play as a new race, in SP, not MP and get to customize, and choose Gender.

Now if you didn't get with anyone, then Shepard's adopts an orphan, and trains the child and you pick your Gender and you know the rest.

Now if Tali and Garrus got together, then we see the child of Garrus, and Tali, and as a squad mate in the new ME series, and could be a male, or female. If you let Eva live, and had Wrex, then a Krogan will join your squad again, and could be a female Krogan, or male.
I could go on but you get the point.

Edit: Sorry forgot about Liara, if your Li is Liara, then you have a girl daughter period, and you may not get to choose the gender, but you can Custimize the skin eyes nose, and so on.

Edit again, wait I forgot Liara has a hanar sister, so maybe you can still play as a hum0an, or maybe an Asari.

Not sure about male though.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 août 2012 - 04:29 .

[smokingotter1]

Rifneno wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I guess you guys would be pretty vitriolic towards BW if they never confirm IT and actually did mean to make the ending a mess?

I'll be vitriolic as hell if they never confirm or deny.  Either give us a real ending, or tell us to deal with the **** one we've got, as long as they don't just leave it up in the air "were the reapers ever really beaten?"

They will at the end confirm IT. We'll get our closure Mr. Badger. Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to the first part of my u/n:wizard: Now I'm off to play MP and play terribly.

Also we haven't even got a first single player dlc yet (EC does not count) we'll get our closure folks :happy:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 25 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[StElmo]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I guess you guys would be pretty vitriolic towards BW if they never confirm IT and actually did mean to make the ending a mess?

I'll be vitriolic as hell if they never confirm or deny.  Either give us a real ending, or tell us to deal with the **** one we've got, as long as they don't just leave it up in the air "were the reapers ever really beaten?"

They will at the end confirm IT. We'll get our closure Mr. Badger. Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to the first part of my u/n:wizard: Now I'm off to play MP and play terribly.

Also we haven't even got a first single player dlc yet (EC does not count) we'll get our closure folks :happy:

Thems fighting words on any other thread in the forum. I want to believe IT, but can't get myself invested in it to have it crushed if it is proven false or left in the open.

I only really care that IT is a great thematic device and is not "revolting" thematically and it is lore friendly, which is great.

It makes sense, but BioWare's actions don't so I'm mega skeptical.

[paxxton]

I wish it was Tuesday already. Make it so!

[desert_beagle]

Not to hijack any points that have been made so far. I have been away for a few days. I just watched Julian's (CleverNoob) EC documentary. It is excellent, however, there is one point that I was hoping he would touch on.

He sort of did with his last piece of evidence that Shepard should be dead after Harby's beam. He makes it really clear that there is no way he could survive. He shows the EC version of it so many times and slows it down enough times to where my initial thoughts are confirmed. The beam NEVER hits Shepard.

Watch the scene. The angle that Harby shoots the beam in comparison to where Shepard is standing, you can clearly see that it is off as it is traveling in the general direction of Shepard. The blast is clearly 10-15ft in front of Shepard when the screen whites out and you hear the ringing noise. Every time Julian repeated showing this scene, I kept saying to myself, "The beam never hits him, the beam never hits him, c'mon say the beam never hits him..."

He doesn't make that point, but it is obvious after seeing it repeat over and over and even in slow motion. Harby directed the beam in front of Shepard, not at him.

[masster blaster]

StElmo wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I guess you guys would be pretty vitriolic towards BW if they never confirm IT and actually did mean to make the ending a mess?

I'll be vitriolic as hell if they never confirm or deny.  Either give us a real ending, or tell us to deal with the **** one we've got, as long as they don't just leave it up in the air "were the reapers ever really beaten?"

They will at the end confirm IT. We'll get our closure Mr. Badger. Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to the first part of my u/n:wizard: Now I'm off to play MP and play terribly.

Also we haven't even got a first single player dlc yet (EC does not count) we'll get our closure folks :happy:

Thems fighting words on any other thread in the forum. I want to believe IT, but can't get myself invested in it to have it crushed if it is proven false or left in the open.

I only really care that IT is a great thematic device and is not "revolting" thematically and it is lore friendly, which is great.

It makes sense, but BioWare's actions don't so I'm mega skeptical.

The way I see it is that ITers love Bioware's plan if it has IT, but the Literalist do not like IT, well most of them, and hate Bioware in general.

ITer= fans that want/think Bioware is/maybe plaining IT. And love Bioware

Literalist= people that hate ME3 for all it's worth/ the endings, and don't want IT because it's even worse than the endngs, like they know what IT is, and can not comprhend IT. Um no offence. And love/hate ME3, and Bioware.

The problem is that if Bioware denys IT, then they lost the remaning fans that respect Bioware, and given them a chance to fix the hole that they are in, if they didn't plan IT. I am not including the people that say the EC fixed their endings, but in reality it didn't. The EC left more questions, than closuer.

Now the Literalist bash Bioware about their bad writing, and they are stupid, and very more horrible things they say about ME3, and Bioware. Well most of them do, their are some that don't do that thank god.

Over all Bioware needs to chocie. If you say IT is the go getter, weather or not you say it is, or reveal it in game play after dlcs come out for Sp, then people will prase them, and there it is an opening ot the end if ME3.

If they don't, then they loose more fans if IT is  proven wrong, and have more people bashing them out for bad writing, and other things.

I just hope Bioware can get past their make everyone happy stage, if that's their final verdict on ME3. But I say this to them they could have done this at the end of ME1, and ME2. people may not like the way it could have ended in Me1, and ME2, so they leave it open for interpretaion. They could have also said that because of do to the over story that we have created, we can not do ME3, "do to so many people may not like the way we end it, or do ME3 as a whole, we leave it up to you the fans to crete your own story about how Shepard end's the Reapers, and how the war is going to last, and who will die. We thank you for all your support you have given us, but it is now time to say good bye to ME for good. We hope that you will follow us in the next ME universe that we are planing and good bye again."

But they didn't say this. So I still hope that IT is true, and we can continue to play as Shepard one last time, and end the story once and for all the right way.

Bioware

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 août 2012 - 04:52 .

[masster blaster]

desert_beagle wrote...

Not to hijack any points that have been made so far. I have been away for a few days. I just watched Julian's (CleverNoob) EC documentary. It is excellent, however, there is one point that I was hoping he would touch on.

He sort of did with his last piece of evidence that Shepard should be dead after Harby's beam. He makes it really clear that there is no way he could survive. He shows the EC version of it so many times and slows it down enough times to where my initial thoughts are confirmed. The beam NEVER hits Shepard.

Watch the scene. The angle that Harby shoots the beam in comparison to where Shepard is standing, you can clearly see that it is off as it is traveling in the general direction of Shepard. The blast is clearly 10-15ft in front of Shepard when the screen whites out and you hear the ringing noise. Every time Julian repeated showing this scene, I kept saying to myself, "The beam never hits him, the beam never hits him, c'mon say the beam never hits him..."

He doesn't make that point, but it is obvious after seeing it repeat over and over and even in slow motion. Harby directed the beam in front of Shepard, not at him.

Ya I said this about a 100 pages back, and we speculate about this, and Shepard is being throw back, but from a Literalist point of view, that it could be the camra closing in on SHepard that makes him/her get throw back, but to me it's not the camra.

[munnellyladt]

desert_beagle wrote...

Not to hijack any points that have been made so far. I have been away for a few days. I just watched Julian's (CleverNoob) EC documentary. It is excellent, however, there is one point that I was hoping he would touch on.

He sort of did with his last piece of evidence that Shepard should be dead after Harby's beam. He makes it really clear that there is no way he could survive. He shows the EC version of it so many times and slows it down enough times to where my initial thoughts are confirmed. The beam NEVER hits Shepard.

Watch the scene. The angle that Harby shoots the beam in comparison to where Shepard is standing, you can clearly see that it is off as it is traveling in the general direction of Shepard. The blast is clearly 10-15ft in front of Shepard when the screen whites out and you hear the ringing noise. Every time Julian repeated showing this scene, I kept saying to myself, "The beam never hits him, the beam never hits him, c'mon say the beam never hits him..."

He doesn't make that point, but it is obvious after seeing it repeat over and over and even in slow motion. Harby directed the beam in front of Shepard, not at him.

Masster made this point a while ago,he showed that the beam did not hit shepard but instead it might have launched him back into the rubble.

EDIT:Dammit blaster, 'ed.

Modifié par munnellyladt, 25 août 2012 - 04:53 .

[D.Sharrah]

Need some help...I'm working on something and I need an accurate timeline including all of the lore...when is the first mention of any kind of conflict between organics and synthetics? I assume that it is in the first novel...but if anyone has an exact quote that would be awesome...

[StElmo]

masster blaster wrote...


The way I see it is that ITers love Bioware's plan if it has IT, but the Literalist do not like IT, well most of them, and hate Bioware in general.

ITer= fans that want/think Bioware is/maybe plaining IT. And love Bioware

Literalist= people that hate ME3 for all it's worth/ the endings, and don't want IT because it's even worse than the endngs, like they know what IT is, and can not comprhend IT. Um no offence. And love/hate ME3, and Bioware.

The problem is that if Bioware denys IT, then they lost the remaning fans that respect Bioware, and given them a chance to fix the hole that they are in, if they didn't plan IT. I am not including the people that say the EC fixed their endings, but in reality it didn't. The EC left more questions, than closuer.

Now the Literalist bash Bioware about their bad writing, and they are stupid, and very more horrible things they say about ME3, and Bioware. Well most of them do, their are some that don't do that thank god.

Over all Bioware needs to chocie. If you say IT is the go getter, weather or not you say it is, or reveal it in game play after dlcs come out for Sp, then people will prase them, and there it is an opening ot the end if ME3.

If they don't, then they loose more fans if IT is  proven wrong, and have more people bashing them out for bad writing, and other things.

I just hope Bioware can get past their make everyone happy stage, if that's their final verdict on ME3. But I say this to them they could have done this at the end of ME1, and ME2. people may not like the way it could have ended in Me1, and ME2, so they leave it open for interpretaion. They could have also said that because of do to the over story that we have created, we can not do ME3, "do to so many people may not like the way we end it, or do ME3 as a whole, we leave it up to you the fans to crete your own story about how Shepard end's the Reapers, and how the war is going to last, and who will die. We thank you for all your support you have given us, but it is now time to say good bye to ME for good. We hope that you will follow us in the next ME universe that we are planing and good bye again."

But they didn't say this. So I still hope that IT is true, and we can continue to play as Shepard one last time, and end the story once and for all the right way.

Bioware

What about the people that LIKE the literal interpretation of the ending?  - not that I will e ver understand them.

[masster blaster]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Need some help...I'm working on something and I need an accurate timeline including all of the lore...when is the first mention of any kind of conflict between organics and synthetics? I assume that it is in the first novel...but if anyone has an exact quote that would be awesome...

Well I would sya about the time the Reapers were created/ Harbinger not Leviathan. I think Harbinger created Leviathan, out of his creators and hence he is the Leader of the Reapers, since it is clearly shown that Harbinger is leading the attack on Earth, and Leading the Reapers into the milky way at the end of ME2 suicide Mission. Also he is the oldest, and due to the Leviathan fiels is the first Reaper.


Also googel the ME time line, and it will show you what you need to know, or if you believe the Catalyst word about it happened, when his cycle was having the O VS S.

[masster blaster]

StElmo wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


The way I see it is that ITers love Bioware's plan if it has IT, but the Literalist do not like IT, well most of them, and hate Bioware in general.

ITer= fans that want/think Bioware is/maybe plaining IT. And love Bioware

Literalist= people that hate ME3 for all it's worth/ the endings, and don't want IT because it's even worse than the endngs, like they know what IT is, and can not comprhend IT. Um no offence. And love/hate ME3, and Bioware.

The problem is that if Bioware denys IT, then they lost the remaning fans that respect Bioware, and given them a chance to fix the hole that they are in, if they didn't plan IT. I am not including the people that say the EC fixed their endings, but in reality it didn't. The EC left more questions, than closuer.

Now the Literalist bash Bioware about their bad writing, and they are stupid, and very more horrible things they say about ME3, and Bioware. Well most of them do, their are some that don't do that thank god.

Over all Bioware needs to chocie. If you say IT is the go getter, weather or not you say it is, or reveal it in game play after dlcs come out for Sp, then people will prase them, and there it is an opening ot the end if ME3.

If they don't, then they loose more fans if IT is  proven wrong, and have more people bashing them out for bad writing, and other things.

I just hope Bioware can get past their make everyone happy stage, if that's their final verdict on ME3. But I say this to them they could have done this at the end of ME1, and ME2. people may not like the way it could have ended in Me1, and ME2, so they leave it open for interpretaion. They could have also said that because of do to the over story that we have created, we can not do ME3, "do to so many people may not like the way we end it, or do ME3 as a whole, we leave it up to you the fans to crete your own story about how Shepard end's the Reapers, and how the war is going to last, and who will die. We thank you for all your support you have given us, but it is now time to say good bye to ME for good. We hope that you will follow us in the next ME universe that we are planing and good bye again."

But they didn't say this. So I still hope that IT is true, and we can continue to play as Shepard one last time, and end the story once and for all the right way.

Bioware

What about the people that LIKE the literal interpretation of the ending?  - not that I will e ver understand them.

That help. I really can not say about that, but they will be pissed, and happy at the same time. It all comes down to can Biowaer execute IT, and work there magic to create an end once and for all. ANd I mean IT is not THE ending, rather than a post ending. IT is the gate way to open new endings, if the endings we get are not real.

[demersel]

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied. 


I mean come on! The game STARTS with shepard whatching the child - that means that his struggle agains the indoctrination is the MAIN theme of the game. this is what the game is about. The rest - galactic war, gathering allies building the crucible - is just filler. 

And really, put yourself in the developers shoes - you spend more than a year of your life, each day making this game about indoctrination of shepard, making it a first person expierience. And then when the game comes out - I garantee - you'll be genuinly surpise how a person manages not to get it? What's there NOT to understand? And at the same time you can't really come out and say "well, duh, indoctrination. You really didn't get it? man, you're dumb.... you need to do something about that, read a book, maybe..."

Modifié par demersel, 25 août 2012 - 05:15 .

[D.Sharrah]

masster blaster wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Need some help...I'm working on something and I need an accurate timeline including all of the lore...when is the first mention of any kind of conflict between organics and synthetics? I assume that it is in the first novel...but if anyone has an exact quote that would be awesome...

Well I would sya about the time the Reapers were created/ Harbinger not Leviathan. I think Harbinger created Leviathan, out of his creators and hence he is the Leader of the Reapers, since it is clearly shown that Harbinger is leading the attack on Earth, and Leading the Reapers into the milky way at the end of ME2 suicide Mission. Also he is the oldest, and due to the Leviathan fiels is the first Reaper.


Also googel the ME time line, and it will show you what you need to know, or if you believe the Catalyst word about it happened, when his cycle was having the O VS S.

Thanks...maybe Leviathan will give us mre info...but according to the timeline I found its tough to determine for sure...the first mention in the timeline that I can find for sure is the battle b/w the Protheans and the Zha'til (which was introduced in ME 3, right?).

I am trying to see if there is a way to establish an origin point for the the synthetic v. organic theme...and therefore I want to see if I can find evidence that is presented in ME 1 (or earlier)...

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied.

Because Indoctrination Theory sounds better than Indoctrination Law?

Modifié par paxxton, 25 août 2012 - 05:10 .

[ebuchala]

masster blaster wrote...

The way I see it, if IT is what Bioware planed, or is planing, the after we defeat the Reapers at Earth, Shepard has a child with his/her love interest, and if your LI is the opposite sex, then you adopt a child, unless you have Liara as your LI.

If your Li is Ash, Jack, Kadin, maybe Jacob if his wife left him, or died, then you can choose your gender, and have the chance to customize you character.

If your LI, was Tranyor Miranda since she can't have children, or Cortez, you adopt a child, and choose Gender, and customize character.

If your LI was Garrus, Tali, and Mordin if lived then we get to see/ play as a new race, in SP, not MP and get to customize, and choose Gender.

Now if you didn't get with anyone, then Shepard's adopts an orphan, and trains the child and you pick your Gender and you know the rest.

Now if Tali and Garrus got together, then we see the child of Garrus, and Tali, and as a squad mate in the new ME series, and could be a male, or female. If you let Eva live, and had Wrex, then a Krogan will join your squad again, and could be a female Krogan, or male.
I could go on but you get the point.

Edit: Sorry forgot about Liara, if your Li is Liara, then you have a girl daughter period, and you may not get to choose the gender, but you can Custimize the skin eyes nose, and so on.

Edit again, wait I forgot Liara has a hanar sister, so maybe you can still play as a hum0an, or maybe an Asari.

Not sure about male though.

Hah! This is almost the same thing I came up with 2 weeks ago in the WNT thread for continuing the reaper battle in ME4 while still ending Shepard's story but keeping him/her as an integral part of things. Fast forward 30 or so years for the beginning of ME4 and pick up with Shepard's offspring as your main character. Keep Shepard in as the Anderson or Hackett for this time period and finish ridding the rest of the galaxy of the reapers.

[StElmo]

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied. 


I mean come on! The game STARTS with shepard whatching the child - that means that his struggle agains the indoctrination is the MAIN theme of the game. this is what the game is about. The rest - galactic war, gathering allies building the crucible - is just filler. 

And really, put yourself in the developers shoes - you spend more than a year of your life, each day making this game about indoctrination of shepard, making it a first person expierience. And then when the game comes out - I garantee - you'll be genuinly surpise how a person manages not to get it? What's there NOT to understand? And at the same time you can't really come out and say "well, duh, indoctrination. You really didn't get it? man, you're dumb.... you need to do something about that, read a book, maybe..."

You can't prove it until BW canonizes it. You need the evidence to be corroborated by an irrefutable source, AKA Bioware.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied.

Because Indoctrination Theory sounds better than Indoctrination Law?

I'm don't mean the name. What i mean is how is it still not canon? 

[masster blaster]

ebuchala wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

The way I see it, if IT is what Bioware planed, or is planing, the after we defeat the Reapers at Earth, Shepard has a child with his/her love interest, and if your LI is the opposite sex, then you adopt a child, unless you have Liara as your LI.

If your Li is Ash, Jack, Kadin, maybe Jacob if his wife left him, or died, then you can choose your gender, and have the chance to customize you character.

If your LI, was Tranyor Miranda since she can't have children, or Cortez, you adopt a child, and choose Gender, and customize character.

If your LI was Garrus, Tali, and Mordin if lived then we get to see/ play as a new race, in SP, not MP and get to customize, and choose Gender.

Now if you didn't get with anyone, then Shepard's adopts an orphan, and trains the child and you pick your Gender and you know the rest.

Now if Tali and Garrus got together, then we see the child of Garrus, and Tali, and as a squad mate in the new ME series, and could be a male, or female. If you let Eva live, and had Wrex, then a Krogan will join your squad again, and could be a female Krogan, or male.
I could go on but you get the point.

Edit: Sorry forgot about Liara, if your Li is Liara, then you have a girl daughter period, and you may not get to choose the gender, but you can Custimize the skin eyes nose, and so on.

Edit again, wait I forgot Liara has a hanar sister, so maybe you can still play as a hum0an, or maybe an Asari.

Not sure about male though.

Hah! This is almost the same thing I came up with 2 weeks ago in the WNT thread for continuing the reaper battle in ME4 while still ending Shepard's story but keeping him/her as an integral part of things. Fast forward 30 or so years for the beginning of ME4 and pick up with Shepard's offspring as your main character. Keep Shepard in as the Anderson or Hackett for this time period and finish ridding the rest of the galaxy of the reapers.

I wouldn't say 30 years, more like24- 27 years, so that we can play as a younger character, like we did Shepard in ME1. Shepard was still in his/her 20's, but Shepard is now in his/her 30's in ME3.

[Dam0299]

masster blaster wrote...

The way I see it, if IT is what Bioware planed, or is planing, the after we defeat the Reapers at Earth, Shepard has a child with his/her love interest, and if your LI is the opposite sex, then you adopt a child, unless you have Liara as your LI.

If your Li is Ash, Jack, Kadin, maybe Jacob if his wife left him, or died, then you can choose your gender, and have the chance to customize you character.

If your LI, was Tranyor Miranda since she can't have children, or Cortez, you adopt a child, and choose Gender, and customize character.

If your LI was Garrus, Tali, and Mordin if lived then we get to see/ play as a new race, in SP, not MP and get to customize, and choose Gender.

Now if you didn't get with anyone, then Shepard's adopts an orphan, and trains the child and you pick your Gender and you know the rest.

Now if Tali and Garrus got together, then we see the child of Garrus, and Tali, and as a squad mate in the new ME series, and could be a male, or female. If you let Eva live, and had Wrex, then a Krogan will join your squad again, and could be a female Krogan, or male.
I could go on but you get the point.

Edit: Sorry forgot about Liara, if your Li is Liara, then you have a girl daughter period, and you may not get to choose the gender, but you can Custimize the skin eyes nose, and so on.

Edit again, wait I forgot Liara has a hanar sister, so maybe you can still play as a hum0an, or maybe an Asari.

Not sure about male though.

I am not sure if you are aware Masster, but While Garrus and Tali are both Dextro based DNA, they are incapable of having children due to differant biolodgy (among other things im sure). Krogan,Drell, Elcor, Humans, Salarians, are all Levo Dna but i dont see any Kromans running around. Asari are capable of differant species reproduction due to their unusual reproduction (from what i can tell its a very complex type of parthenogenesis) 

[demersel]

StElmo wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied. 


I mean come on! The game STARTS with shepard whatching the child - that means that his struggle agains the indoctrination is the MAIN theme of the game. this is what the game is about. The rest - galactic war, gathering allies building the crucible - is just filler. 

And really, put yourself in the developers shoes - you spend more than a year of your life, each day making this game about indoctrination of shepard, making it a first person expierience. And then when the game comes out - I garantee - you'll be genuinly surpise how a person manages not to get it? What's there NOT to understand? And at the same time you can't really come out and say "well, duh, indoctrination. You really didn't get it? man, you're dumb.... you need to do something about that, read a book, maybe..."

You can't prove it until BW canonizes it. You need the evidence to be corroborated by an irrefutable source, AKA Bioware.

I consider catalyst VO pretty ironclad proof, made by bioware. You can't make three different actors record the lines by accident. 

You can't put infrasound noises in specific places, relevant to the plot by accident. or due to bad writing. 

You can't accidentally make a prerendered scene, and make it higly conditional to appear by neglegence or accident. 

You can't integrate 3 separete higly unusial sequences into you game, which seem to have some character development, just by cutting corners and rushing to impossible deadline made by some evil megacorporation. (dream scenes).

Those are just off the top of my head, and they aren't even from the EC, which the spent 3 months developing to address specific issues pointed out by the players, and which they didn't address in full.

If you really consider IT  a thing that the fans came up with giving Bioware an opportunity to fix their game - you're being really ignorant and, forgive me, but there is no ither word for it, stupid. 

the things that suggest that shepard is being indoctrinated are at the CORE of the story. To the degree, that if you remove from the game everything that suggests that - you'll have no story at all. Just some random scenes. 

Modifié par demersel, 25 août 2012 - 05:29 .

[Big_Boss9]

demersel wrote...

StElmo wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied. 


I mean come on! The game STARTS with shepard whatching the child - that means that his struggle agains the indoctrination is the MAIN theme of the game. this is what the game is about. The rest - galactic war, gathering allies building the crucible - is just filler. 

And really, put yourself in the developers shoes - you spend more than a year of your life, each day making this game about indoctrination of shepard, making it a first person expierience. And then when the game comes out - I garantee - you'll be genuinly surpise how a person manages not to get it? What's there NOT to understand? And at the same time you can't really come out and say "well, duh, indoctrination. You really didn't get it? man, you're dumb.... you need to do something about that, read a book, maybe..."

You can't prove it until BW canonizes it. You need the evidence to be corroborated by an irrefutable source, AKA Bioware.

I consider catalyst VO pretty ironclad proof, made by bioware. You can't make three different actors record the lines by accident. 

You can't put infrasound noises in specific places, relevant to the plot by accident. or due to bad writing. 

You can't accidentally make a prerendered scene, and make it higly conditional to appear by neglegence or accident. 

You can't integrate 3 separete higly unusial sequences into you game, which seem to have some character development, just by cutting corners and rushing to impossible deadline made by some evil megacorporation. (dream scenes).

Those are just off the top of my head, and they aren't even from the EC, which the spent 3 months developing to address specific issues pointed out by the players, and which they didn't address in full.

It isn't canon with a capital C until Bioware says as much, no matter how much evidence we have combed through. That's just the way it is, unless and until they say one way or the other. Until then, it remains a theory, an excellent one to be sure, but a theory all the same.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 25 août 2012 - 05:27 .

[Norlond]

Analogy: The theory of relativity is still a theory, but has been proven a lot of times

[StElmo]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

demersel wrote...

StElmo wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really buffles me, is why th IT is still a theory? I mean even ONE solid evidence is enough for it to be proven, and at this point we have like five or six of them, that simply cannot be disputed or denied. 


I mean come on! The game STARTS with shepard whatching the child - that means that his struggle agains the indoctrination is the MAIN theme of the game. this is what the game is about. The rest - galactic war, gathering allies building the crucible - is just filler. 

And really, put yourself in the developers shoes - you spend more than a year of your life, each day making this game about indoctrination of shepard, making it a first person expierience. And then when the game comes out - I garantee - you'll be genuinly surpise how a person manages not to get it? What's there NOT to understand? And at the same time you can't really come out and say "well, duh, indoctrination. You really didn't get it? man, you're dumb.... you need to do something about that, read a book, maybe..."

You can't prove it until BW canonizes it. You need the evidence to be corroborated by an irrefutable source, AKA Bioware.

I consider catalyst VO pretty ironclad proof, made by bioware. You can't make three different actors record the lines by accident. 

You can't put infrasound noises in specific places, relevant to the plot by accident. or due to bad writing. 

You can't accidentally make a prerendered scene, and make it higly conditional to appear by neglegence or accident. 

You can't integrate 3 separete higly unusial sequences into you game, which seem to have some character development, just by cutting corners and rushing to impossible deadline made by some evil megacorporation. (dream scenes).

Those are just off the top of my head, and they aren't even from the EC, which the spent 3 months developing to address specific issues pointed out by the players, and which they didn't address in full.

It isn't canon with a capital C until Bioware says as much, no matter how much evidence we have combed through. That's just the way it is, unless and until they say one way or the other. Until then, it remains a theory, an excellent one to be sure, but a theory all the same.

Yep, thanks for being better then me at explaining