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[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Well, just for the sake of it. Speaking of creatinalists - they have 1 sound argument - why can't the evolution be the tool that god chose to use to create? )) You see, from the mathematical point of view the evolution is happenning too fast for it to be a chain of random coincidence. 

Because it contradtics many things stated in the bible. Regardless, this is probably not the place for a religious debate.

Hell yeah, I've regained by glory! I'm on top again! Take it!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 25 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[ebuchala]

Do you think the most recent trailer is in chronological order? Seems like parts of it are and parts aren't (particularly near the end of the trailer) and, obviously, the very last scene shown is out of order since we get a flash of Shepard in a combat scene between him going underwater in the Atlas and Leviathan (I assume) saying "You have come too far" in his deep, reapery voice.

I ask because if it's not in chrono order, then perhaps the scene in space with the reaper is L trying to shoot you out of the sky if you fail to "recruit" him.

[Norlond]

ebuchala wrote...


Ok, so being a pretty non-scientific sort of person, I did suspect there would be problems with interspecies breeding, no matter what the dna base. But I did find this article rather amusing (and interesting) regarding the dextro and levo based species intermingling and eating each other's food. I had remembered running across a comment from a biologist in a ME article somewhere stating that humans currently consume dextro-amino foods--this article covers that info in a bit more detail (not just related to foods, either, if you know what I mean ).

BW has to adapt to that, a turian/krogan hybrid would be the most badass thing ever

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hell yeah, I've regained by glory! I'm on top again! Take it!

You deserve it after my glorious takeovers

Modifié par Norlond, 25 août 2012 - 06:31 .

[The Twilight God]

Norlond wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

My point is why should we have to prove anything? The literalists need to "prove" that their interpretation is "true". Bioware never confirmed nor denied whether or not the literalist interpretation is true, so why is it that the one that makes more sense gets bashed so much more? I really hate people What do you guys think of this?

They don't see the need to prove anything, because usually a literalists point of view doesn't need any explanation because everything is already there.
Now they don't get the point that they actually need to prove their interpretation (I think I don't have to explain why).
In my opinion, that's the source of all the hating against us

*edit* +1 for jojos pic

*edit 2* and what Arian said

They had 3 endings

1. Sunshine and butterflies, no sacrifice, everything is fixed, The Shreapers protect and ensure peace!!
2. Sunshine and butterflies, no sacrifice, everything is fixed, The Lore Keepers share all knowledge and peace reigns forever more!!
3. Rough times are ahead, synthetic life is sacrificed, the relay network is done, people are stranded and we have to depend on ourselves

1 and 2 are obviously bull****, but people want to believe even though they are thematically and narratively presented as indoctrinated endings. Non-IT is about blind absolute faith to maintain peace of mind. They have ignored the logical in-game conclusion and jumped outside the game itself to handwave away whatever evidence contradicts what they want to believe as "bad writting". Anything to keep hope alive (Dream IT people ae similar in this regard). But there is no way there two objectively superior endings and one crappy one. No way.

[demersel]

jojon2se wrote...

Actually I find this picture a bit rude. I'm not religious, but i spent my share of time studying history and phyloshophy of world religions. (that was included in my first major, I specialised on Islam, and did My thesis on a role and influence of Syriac Orthodox Church on the society of Islamic Caliphate of Abbasides in the 11-13th centuries)
That's really not what the religion and faith is. I think it's inconsiderate and offencive. 

[Norlond]

The Twilight God wrote...
They had 3 endings

1. Sunshine and butterflies, no sacrifice, everything is fixed, The Shreapers protect and ensure peace!!
2. Sunshine and butterflies, no sacrifice, everything is fixed, The Lore Keepers share all knowledge and peace reigns forever more!!
3. Rough times are ahead, synthetic life is sacrificed, the relay network is done, people are stranded and we have to depend on ourselves

1 and 2 are obviously bull****, but people want to believe even though they are thematically and narratively presented as indoctrinated endings. Non-IT is about blind absolute faith to maintain peace of mind. They have ignored the logical in-game conclusion and jumped outside the game itself to handwave away whatever evidence contradicts what they want to believe as "bad writting". Anything to keep hope alive (Dream IT people ae similar in this regard). But there is no way there two objectively superior endings and one crappy one. No way.

You are right

as I said:

Norlond wrote...
It's sad, really [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

[StElmo]

Norlond wrote...

ebuchala wrote...


Ok, so being a pretty non-scientific sort of person, I did suspect there would be problems with interspecies breeding, no matter what the dna base. But I did find this article rather amusing (and interesting) regarding the dextro and levo based species intermingling and eating each other's food. I had remembered running across a comment from a biologist in a ME article somewhere stating that humans currently consume dextro-amino foods--this article covers that info in a bit more detail (not just related to foods, either, if you know what I mean ).

BW has to adapt to that, a turian/krogan hybrid would be the most badass thing ever

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hell yeah, I've regained by glory! I'm on top again! Take it!

You deserve it after my glorious takeovers

Isn't that a brute?

[Arian Dynas]

demersel wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

IT is a theory like gravity and evolution are a theory.

We have tons of evidence available, but we can't conclusively prove it, and so the creationists (oops sorry, reductionists, wrong argument.) hang on our every word trying to reduce our argument by using minutiae to their advantage by twisting our words.

Well, just for the sake of it. Speaking of creatinalists - they have 1 sound argument - why can't the evolution be the tool that god chose to use to create? )) You see, from the mathematical point of view the evolution is happenning too fast for it to be a chain of random coincidence. 

Not the most religious of sorts, in my case, I personally say there's a problem with BOTH sides of the "Atheisim against Fundamentalism" argument.

They're both wrong.

Fundies think that God is a big bearded man who lives on a throne in the sky, and reject all proof to the contrary.

Atheists know there is no big bearded man in the sky, and thust think there is no God.

Which in and of itself, looking at the simpliest description of God I have ever heard, is wrong.

"God is that of which no greater can be thought." QED, "God" is the greatest force in the universe, it isn't required to be benevolent, sentient, intelligent, or even concious. It requires no worship, no devotion, because it might neither care, nor even be able to comprehend things. Stephen Hawking might call it the Grand Unified Theory. Javik might call it the Will of the Universe, the Pope might name it God.

One way or another, there is a force in the universe so vast as to be infinite. A source of the sublime in man. THAT is God. God is just a convenient way of understanding such a force, which, by it's very nature, is beyond our understanding. 

In other words, God IS the Universe. Religion started out as man attempting to understand his universe, so it's science by a different name. What they called Angels way back when, we call the atomic forces now. (Seriously, look at some of the scholarly texts of ancient theologians, they read just like some scientific journals.)

But that's all I'll say on the subject.

[Norlond]

StElmo wrote...

Norlond wrote...
BW has to adapt to that, a turian/krogan hybrid would be the most badass thing ever

Isn't that a brute?

Nah, I mean a REAL hybrid, not some big reaper abomination, imagine Wrex and Garrus as one person, it would be the Chuck Norris of ME

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Well, just for the sake of it. Speaking of creatinalists - they have 1 sound argument - why can't the evolution be the tool that god chose to use to create? )) You see, from the mathematical point of view the evolution is happenning too fast for it to be a chain of random coincidence. 

Because it contradtics many things stated in the bible. Regardless, this is probably not the place for a religious debate.

Hell yeah, I've regained by glory! I'm on top again! Take it!

What you read in the bible is really carefully constructed propoganda piece, made and edited by the church over the course of 2nd, 3d and 4th centuries. 

You really should mix up faith as a concept, and church as an institution. 

[StElmo]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

Nice! Can I get a link to that picture in full size?

Subnote: I've noticed a lot of the people on the IT thread are atheists. It makes perfect sense considering what we do here. (No disrespect to any religious people here.)

I would ahve thought the athiests would hate ITers because ITers are always dismissed as delusional with faith in fan theory.

interesting observation!

I'm an athiest, I like IT, but I don't believe it until BiOWare says so. I do support it tho, int hat its awesome theory.

[BansheeOwnage]

The Twilight God wrote...

Blind faith? Is there any other kind?  I think that's pretty much what faith is; hope without reason to hope. Maybe. Some stuff to think about.

[The Twilight God]

demersel wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

Actually I find this picture a bit rude. I'm not religious, but i spent my share of time studying history and phyloshophy of world religions. (that was included in my first major, I specialised on Islam, and did My thesis on a role and influence of Syriac Orthodox Church on the society of Islamic Caliphate of Abbasides in the 11-13th centuries)
That's really not what the religion and faith is. I think it's inconsiderate and offencive. 

Exactly what part do you disagree with?

[StElmo]

Norlond wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Norlond wrote...
BW has to adapt to that, a turian/krogan hybrid would be the most badass thing ever

Isn't that a brute?

Nah, I mean a REAL hybrid, not some big reaper abomination, imagine Wrex and Garrus as one person, it would be the Chuck Norris Lian Neeson of ME

Fixed, because Chuck Norris isnt that great.

[demersel]

Arian Dynas wrote...

demersel wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

IT is a theory like gravity and evolution are a theory.

We have tons of evidence available, but we can't conclusively prove it, and so the creationists (oops sorry, reductionists, wrong argument.) hang on our every word trying to reduce our argument by using minutiae to their advantage by twisting our words.

Well, just for the sake of it. Speaking of creatinalists - they have 1 sound argument - why can't the evolution be the tool that god chose to use to create? )) You see, from the mathematical point of view the evolution is happenning too fast for it to be a chain of random coincidence. 

Not the most religious of sorts, in my case, I personally say there's a problem with BOTH sides of the "Atheisim against Fundamentalism" argument.

They're both wrong.

Fundies think that God is a big bearded man who lives on a throne in the sky, and reject all proof to the contrary.

Atheists know there is no big bearded man in the sky, and thust think there is no God.

Which in and of itself, looking at the simpliest description of God I have ever heard, is wrong.

I agree with these point completely. 

(the rest is meh.. )

[ebuchala]

Norlond wrote...

ebuchala wrote...


Ok, so being a pretty non-scientific sort of person, I did suspect there would be problems with interspecies breeding, no matter what the dna base. But I did find this article rather amusing (and interesting) regarding the dextro and levo based species intermingling and eating each other's food. I had remembered running across a comment from a biologist in a ME article somewhere stating that humans currently consume dextro-amino foods--this article covers that info in a bit more detail (not just related to foods, either, if you know what I mean ).

BW has to adapt to that, a turian/krogan hybrid would be the most badass thing ever

Heehee! I think there are quite a few cross-species hybrids that would be awesome and some that should be banned before anyone even thinks of them. I figure BW would never go there but I agree some hybrids would be fun. Of course then you'd have to get back into the space magic thing cause that's the only way it would work.

[Norlond]

StElmo wrote...

Norlond wrote...
Nah, I mean a REAL hybrid, not some big reaper abomination, imagine Wrex and Garrus as one person, it would be the Chuck Norris Lian Neeson of ME

Fixed, because Chuck Norris isnt that great.

Okay, he's acceptable

btw, I'm an atheist too

[StElmo]

Arian Dynas wrote...

demersel wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

IT is a theory like gravity and evolution are a theory.

We have tons of evidence available, but we can't conclusively prove it, and so the creationists (oops sorry, reductionists, wrong argument.) hang on our every word trying to reduce our argument by using minutiae to their advantage by twisting our words.

Well, just for the sake of it. Speaking of creatinalists - they have 1 sound argument - why can't the evolution be the tool that god chose to use to create? )) You see, from the mathematical point of view the evolution is happenning too fast for it to be a chain of random coincidence. 

Atheists know there is no big bearded man in the sky, and thust think there is no God.

No. Athiest is actually a term regarding theism

A-thiest

Anti - thiest

You can be an Athiest and Deist at the same time.

In fact einstein was an athiest, but he called the universe god, which indicates a deistic side to him.

Also most athiest say you can never disprove an unknown, You can't disprove flying invisible, massless pigs either.

PS sorry for my crap spelling.

Modifié par StElmo, 25 août 2012 - 06:42 .

[demersel]

The Twilight God wrote...

demersel wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

Actually I find this picture a bit rude. I'm not religious, but i spent my share of time studying history and phyloshophy of world religions. (that was included in my first major, I specialised on Islam, and did My thesis on a role and influence of Syriac Orthodox Church on the society of Islamic Caliphate of Abbasides in the 11-13th centuries)
That's really not what the religion and faith is. I think it's inconsiderate and offencive. 

Exactly what part do you disagree with?

the faith part. 

[BansheeOwnage]

StElmo wrote...


I would ahve thought the athiests would hate ITers because ITers are always dismissed as delusional with faith in fan theory.

It's a bit backwards. I will quotes Hrothdane to enlighten (lol) you:

[Some people] like to joke that IT is some kind of religion. In fact, I would say we have more in common with a group of atheists. We don't have some kind of central dogma that we all subscribe to word-for-word. Many of us would probably disagree on any number of individual pieces of evidence or specific interpretations, just like how Ayn Rand and Jean-Paul Sartre (both atheists) would strangle each other if put in a room together for more than five minutes. We discuss things, speculate, review evidence, draw conclusions, and argue. Each of us has an individual reason to be here, so I'm not going to claim that some of us are motivated by wishful thinking, but I know with certainty that I'm here because evidence led me here. I can tell from the conversations here that most of us can say the same.
- Hrothdane

Does that help?

[StElmo]

Norlond wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Norlond wrote...
Nah, I mean a REAL hybrid, not some big reaper abomination, imagine Wrex and Garrus as one person, it would be the Chuck Norris Lian Neeson of ME

Fixed, because Chuck Norris isnt that great.

Okay, he's acceptable

btw, I'm an atheist too

 well you wouldn't like chuck norris:



He wants to teach propoganda to kids in schools, he also has some disgusting views on homosexuality.

[TJBartlemus]

 Sup guys!!! Once again congrats to Hellish and Turbo!!! Regarding to Julians video and thread I am not impressed. Also I came across this IT con / IT dream nonsense. That needs to be dealt with. Every time I see it I just have to facepalm.

http://social.biowar...ndex/13821253/2

[StElmo]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

StElmo wrote...


I would ahve thought the athiests would hate ITers because ITers are always dismissed as delusional with faith in fan theory.

It's a bit backwards. I will quotes Hrothdane to enlighten (lol) you:

[Some people] like to joke that IT is some kind of religion. In fact, I would say we have more in common with a group of atheists. We don't have some kind of central dogma that we all subscribe to word-for-word. Many of us would probably disagree on any number of individual pieces of evidence or specific interpretations, just like how Ayn Rand and Jean-Paul Sartre (both atheists) would strangle each other if put in a room together for more than five minutes. We discuss things, speculate, review evidence, draw conclusions, and argue. Each of us has an individual reason to be here, so I'm not going to claim that some of us are motivated by wishful thinking, but I know with certainty that I'm here because evidence led me here. I can tell from the conversations here that most of us can say the same.
- Hrothdane

Does that help?

Nice!

[StElmo]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Sup guys!!! Once again congrats to Hellish and Turbo!!! Regarding to Julians video and thread I am not impressed. Also I came across this IT con / IT dream nonsense. That needs to be dealt with. Every time I see it I just have to facepalm.

http://social.biowar...ndex/13821253/2

What is the point of IT Con, IT ties up the plot holes, having shepard awake means RGB still happens and thats really bad for the plot holes. Same with the catalyst existence etc.

[The Twilight God]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Blind faith? Is there any other kind?  I think that's pretty much what faith is; hope without reason to hope. Maybe. Some stuff to think about.

If I ask you to help me mow my lawn each Saturday and each Saturday you do, then I have faith that you will the next weekend. People have faith in the weatherman, faith in the speedy police response, faith in medicine.

Blind faith is faith which isn't based upon anything. I believe in unicorns. I've never seen one. Nobody else has ever seen one to my knowledge, but I choose to believe it regardless.